That would be sweet, especially since I haven't played inFamous Second Son yet.
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PlayStation Meeting announced. September 7th 3PM ET (PS4 Neo Reveal)
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That would be sweet, especially since I haven't played inFamous Second Son yet.
Hexa
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This is assuming that the extra power in the Neo is available to old PS4 games that haven't been patched. That might not be the case.
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I thought the PS4K is supposed to revert to a "PS4 Mode" that shouldn't show any differences, unlike the X1S which is the same "mode" but is overclocked, thus leading to performance improvements.
But I have been thinking, even if that's the case and they run it so it looks the same on paper, would having new a version of GCN architecture mean that better results could still be seen? Like, perhaps the clock speeds are lowered and half the cores in the GPU are turned off (can this be done?), but would having Polaris vs. whatever is in the original PS4 lead to better performance?
Now thats a delicious lineup and would be a hell of a show
bitbydeath
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I don't think they'll focus much on 60fps.
The most recent leaked document (in July) mentioned tricks for developers to reach 4K or near 4K and upscaling from whatever they reach.
I'm sure it'll mostly be left up to devs but internal studios especially will likely prioritise resolution over framerate.
That would be a top tier E3 conference, let alone a PS Meeting.
Maybe, yeah. And if that's turns out to be the case and it's increasing the performance anyways due to that, I really hope Sony has changed their mind since those leaked documents were written and aren't actively blocking off the extra power that some unpatched ps4 games may have been able to access and take advantage of. I still don't really get why they would actively prevent that, unless maybe they're thinking some games were designed without any framerate caps at all and are gonna go crazy or something (like Call of Duty Ghosts running at 90+fps on the ps4 before it got a patch for a 60fps cap).
Hexa
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It might be the case that there are compatibility issues if they don't. They might have found a way around that since then though.
Omnistalgic
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Everytime I come back here I habitually think Osiris has given us some updates.
This will be a painful 3 weeks of speculation...sheesh
This will be a painful 3 weeks of speculation...sheesh
HOPEFULLY...as mentioned above, even if the "extra power" is blocked off, and clock speeds are reduced in "base mode" the fact that it's still running on updated architecture (at least on the GPU front) might allow for SOME performance increase by default...
Read Dead: the educational spin-off of Red Dead you've been waiting for.
First of all you're not mentioning The Last Guardian and Gravity Rush 2 so you clearly have bad tastes
About the rest...I feel kinda confident in these ones:
Neo will be called PS4K, launch in October or November at 399$, upgraded DS4.
More than a single hardware announcement will be made at the Playstation Meeting.
OG PS4 price cut to 299$, different bundles announced.
At least one new big title will be announced with footage captured from PS4K.
About the games...they'll probably focus on upcoming titles (Q4 2016-Q1 2017) which are the immediate reasons why people should upgrade to a PS4K, both first party (GT Sport, TLG, GR2, Horizon) and third party (FFXV, COD, WD2, RE7).
Then they'll announce a list of already released games that will be patched close to or at Neo's launch (Uncharted 4 surely, Bloodborne and Ratchet&Clank are also likely, for third party games GTAV, Star Wars Battlefront, Witcher 3 are likely candidates as you say).
Only problem I see is how they are going to showcase the differences.
For the purpose of the conference it would be better to focus on games with improved graphics (in terms of effects, lighting, geometry,etc) instead of improved resolution and/or frame rate. Those things certainly cannot be appreciated through a conference live streaming, the risk is to have people saying "looks pretty much the same to me".
Omnistalgic
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Tks buddyIf it helps, we're under 3 weeks away from PlayStation Meeting
serversurfer
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I'm not exactly sure what you're saying here, but my question was basically, "Would you still welcome Zen if it came with Neo?"
Last I heard a few days ago, I think KennyLinder was saying they didn't have the final kits yet, and didn't know whether there'd be an up-spec.
Final kits are the retail models in debug/dev kit mode.
Dev kits with "final specs" were to be shipped out around late april, early may of this year.
Any up-spec at this point would be gpu or cpu upclocks (a minor upgrade could happen here depending on what kind of shell design they're going for), or higher bandwidth ram, or doubling the ram (which is extremely unlikely as 16GB would be overkill at this point).
Personally not expecting anything.
As said, according to the slides, the final spec was already out in april and they are not planning on much more then that.
As to your question, i most likely would not support Zen being in NEO, cause that would just delay NEO significantly and up the current price of the unit big time.
Even if Zen were coming out early next year, there is no real proof that NEO could come out early next year as well considering they would have to retest all the dev kits, remake all of the internal boards to support a new CPU architecture, retest a new external casing to support whatever TPD the new CPU had, reorder everything for mass production ect.
And the closer they cut it to Scorpio, the worse off NEO is going to be as a proposition.
lukeskymac
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Uncharted 4 is not getting 60fps with a mere 30% CPU boost, you don't know what you're talking about.
This thing is about to be released and it's not intended to be a next gen console, just a premium/high-end model of what was launched in 2013.
Don't expect meaningful upgrades compared to the specs leaked in the March document.
If you want a true next gen console from Sony I think you'll have to wait at least until the end of 2019.
wapplew
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If they design a premium PS4 that cannot run UC4 in 60fps, they might as well cancel it.
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My own personal opinions are bolded. My thinking is that this will be an hour event at most. Possibly shorter. No reason for it to be dragged out. Can see the developers/publishers talking about Neo with Andrew House running down everything and explaining why Sony is doing this. Release date, specs, price tag and price cut for the base PS4. Uncharted 4 will be the showcase from Sony but show ends with Red Dead 3 announcement, trailer and being a Neo exclusive. Yeah, yeah, I know but that entire no exclusives thing is something that I don't believe for one second. It will happen. Just a matter of time. What better way to make gamers get over it by having one of the most wanted sequels in any franchise be exclusive to Neo? At worse, RD3 is multi-platform but gets showcased at the end of the show with a November 8th release date and PS4 Neo bundle.
Love all the speculation, predictions, etc. though. It definitely makes these events/press conferences exciting and fun.
lukeskymac
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UC4 will get a Neo patch and it will make a world of difference visually - but that's because Neo's GPU is more than twice as fast as OG's. Naughty Dog had change the way their engine produces frames in order to get TLOUR to 60 because of how stupid-weak those Jaguar cores are. And UC4 has a lot more going on the CPU side than TLOUR. 30% ain't gonna cut it.
CPU isn't necessarily the only thing that determines the framerate of a game. But anyways, I don't expect it.
Spyder_Monkey
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Seriously? They're not going to spend money re-working a game (for free because it has to be patched) that for all intents and purposes, made its money already. I love Bloodborne but expecting any developer to go back and patch older games to work on Neo is running a fool's errand.
lol, it's not going to happen
lukeskymac
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Obviously not. And we don't even know for sure whether the CPU or the GPU is more often the bottleneck when the framerate slips. But Naughty Dog isn't the kind of dev that'll leave either idle for more time than the absolutely necessary, so we can be pretty sure that they'd need 2x GPU and CPU perf to reach 60fps.
30% doesn't even get close to that.
But when you have 2.3x GPU, GCN improvements (which can lead to decent performance gains all by itself even at the same power), 1.3x CPU, and bandwidth increases for the RAM, it isn't a good idea to just right off what can be done with a power increase like that, especially by a dev like naughty dog. But anyways it's all just speculation.
I'm sure things will likely remain the way they've always been even if it is capable of hitting 60fps with those improvements. Devs preferring to go for 30fps with more visual effects/higher res over 60fps.
bitbydeath
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Locked 60 won't happen, unlocked 60 is certainly possible but they'll probably be better off locking to 30 and as previously stated resolution will likely take precedence anyway.
Calm Mind
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This post suffers from acute Peter Molyneux's disease.
I think it will be a less epic version of the PS4 reveal event.
- Show the box
- Talk specs and what it does
- Why it's awesome
- Why it won't compromise the original PS4
- Visual comparisons
- Date and price, price cut for original PS4
- Show off a few games that help really show what the Neo can do (God of War, Deep Down)
- Catch you cats at PSX in December
- Show the box
- Talk specs and what it does
- Why it's awesome
- Why it won't compromise the original PS4
- Visual comparisons
- Date and price, price cut for original PS4
- Show off a few games that help really show what the Neo can do (God of War, Deep Down)
- Catch you cats at PSX in December
Yes, both versions are totally identical [PS4 version got gimped for that to be achieved].
95% chance this fall.
Most likely October, if not early November, but I'm betting on October.
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SunDimension24
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This is the most realistic scenario and anyone expecting alot more than this is just setting themselves up for disappointment.
Agreed that we probably won't more than one new title or anything at all on games that aren't scheduled for release in the next six months. We'll get a few exciting teases and a more lingering comparison on what will qualify as launch titles.
... but I can't imagine Sony will pass on the opportunity to showcase PSVR and its launch lineup as well.
bitbydeath
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Put me down for a Neo version of 'The Last Guardian'
Hardware design reveal, a few of the basics on specs (Cerny presents!)
features, Ultra HD Blu-ray support, streaming video
release date
a few examples of new and upcoming games running on Neo.
a few examples of best-selling 1st and 3rd party games patched with Neo enhancements.
price
That's it.
features, Ultra HD Blu-ray support, streaming video
release date
a few examples of new and upcoming games running on Neo.
a few examples of best-selling 1st and 3rd party games patched with Neo enhancements.
price
That's it.
Jakartalado
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Maybe 60fps and more particle effects ?
60 fps is easy. Second son runs at 40 and first light runs at 45.
SunDimension24
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Oh yeah, they will probably will talk about PSVR.
It will probably be:
-Talk about overall PS4 sales/price cut
-Introduce NEO and few games/strategy going forward
-Show final things about PSVR and their strategy going forward with it
-We have more to share with you in the coming months
-End
They still have TGS, Paris games week and PSX to show off more games so I doubt they will go to deep with that at this meeting.
First Light wasn't as busy as SS.
KZObsessed
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I just want to see Horizon Zero Dawn running on the thing. Don't know how that game could look any better.
Also I hope they announce a few surprises. They did skip gamescom after all and they usually have a good showing there.
Also I hope they announce a few surprises. They did skip gamescom after all and they usually have a good showing there.
StrongBlackVine
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This is not happening. Sony is not trying to force their current customer base into upgrading. They make tons more money off of licensing fees and services then they do on hardware.
Horizon can definitely be improved. That latest E3 demo had an extreme amount of foliage pop-in from very short distances.
Major improvement in FFXV would actually be a system seller IMO. I would say it needs an enhanced Neo mode more than any other game releasing this Fall.
I also believe a PS4 Slim with UHD support for $299 will be revealed. OG PS4 will be phased out. I just don't see Sony letting Xbox run with cheapest UHD player for the foreseeable future.
Yes, Spider-Man has been in full development since at least October 2014 (right after Sunset Overdrive was finished) based off LinkedIn.
KZObsessed
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I expect them to fix that before launch, even on base PS4. Probably don't need Neo for that.
There's no way it will be 60fps. Can't really get more detailed so I reckon it'll just be one of their "4K" showpieces using the same technique used in shadowfall.
I don't need a new TV though, so that'll be pretty irrelevant to me.
StrongBlackVine
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I know it won't be 60fps. Just keep it locked 30fps and go crazy with the graphics settings. I'm not a fan of this reconstruction stuff...
I think Resident Evil 7 could get a big boost as well. It looks a bit rough so far. Maybe The Last Guardian won't have framerate issues on Neo. Same for GT Sport. I could go on....
I'd expect far more resolution experimentation through that 'reconstruction stuff', and AA improvements long before graphical asset tweaks, which would require a different level of investment to create from scratch. For exclusives, its not a matter of making a game and just switching through premade assets, they would have to make those, which they generally never have had to before. More work on top of the base game they are already making. And i doubt they are forced to do so.
StrongBlackVine
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Exclusive games are still made on a PC so I'm sure they have graphical settings that are tweaked(and thus can be increased on Neo) until performance is satisfactory. I'm quite certain we will see more improvement than just better AA in exclusives.
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