ViewtifulJC
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but the PC/PS4 voters
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Time: The 50 Best Video Games of All Time
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but the PC/PS4 voters
Sanctuary
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Well, let's see...
Onimusha
Devil May Cry
Devil May Cry 3
REmake
Ninja Gaiden
King's Field IV
Shadow Tower Abyss
Tenchu: Wrath of Heaven
Maximo
Viewtiful Joe
Ikaruga
Shinobi
Contra
MDK2
Alien Hominid
Notice, I said era, I didn't say "exclusively to the PS2" either. I also don't know who said "better than Dark Souls" (as it is today), since that would be stupid when you consider the hardware differences. It would have had to have been scaled back in terms of graphics, and the online functionality would have also had to have been scaled back a bit.
You could use that same argument though with any of the 8-bit and 16-bit games that had superior gameplay too. What would they have been like on modern hardware?
hydrophilic attack
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have you even played a souls game
Salty Hippo
Member
Ok dude, if you think being one of the best games of a generation that is almost completing 3 years is not more impressive than being a garbage fighting game, I don't know what to tell you.
I don't agree with ROTR being on this list. I'm just saying that I think there are far worst offenders in it, yet half the posters in this thread choose to attack a game that is actually good.
Baron von Loathsome
Member
It's not gonna amount to much except on PC or PS4-centric outlets.
Granted, I don't think it'd be popping on GOTY lists regardless.
Kagoshima_Luke
Gold Member
Someone should compile the top 50 top 50 lists.
Not sure this one would make the cut.
Not sure this one would make the cut.
Huge Succeeded
Banned
"Best" = Most Influential + Modern Picks For The Kids
Dangoesforth
Member
Agree with a lot of this list, but cannot understand in any way how The Last of Us is not on that list, and that Rise of the Tomb Raider is. That is just weird.
Pancake Mix
Copied someone else's pancake recipe
Ocarina of Time is a masterpiece. What it didn't do first it perfected, and what it did first it did top notch. There was nothing like it in 1998 and the remaster on 3DS proves it's still an amazing game when released today.
IDK I think TLOU is good and all, but it just has some good dialogue and story. Even comparing with something like ROTTR, Tomb Raider has way, way, way better gameplay and exploration elements. I dont think TLOU will be that well remembered a few years from now, maybe some people and magazines will forget about it.
Sanctuary
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Do you even understand what I'm talking about? Because it sure looks like I'm saying one thing, and you're talking about something entirely different.
I don't know why Mortal Kombat is even on that list over Street Fighter 2. However, if you actually were around and playing games in the 90s, you can't rationally call it a "garbage game" compared to Rise of the Tomb Raider. You're just throwing objectivity out the window entirely simply because it looks like you don't like fighting games. And really, if Rise of the Tomb Raider is "one of the best games of this generation", what does that say about this generation?
ViewtifulJC
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Or any of those games. Did he just do a crtl + F through IGN review database for "hard games circa 2001-2006"
hydrophilic attack
Member
I notice you didn't answer my question
He seems to be under the impression that difficulty is the only notable aspect of Souls games
HeisenbergWW62
Banned
No Metal Gear Solid=invalid list
Sanctuary
Member
It's not, but apparently neither of you actually played most of the games on that list either, while claiming that I haven't, or that I haven't played a Souls game. The non handholding is one of the primary reasons the series took off, not simply because it was a "good action/aventure" game. It's like both of you are too hung up on the Demon's or Dark Souls that we got on the PS3 compared to what it would have been like had it been made pre 2006 when there were more games out that had either similar gameplay aspects, or were less "hold X to win" or constant checkpoint as the games today.
As for your actual question: try reading the thread maybe, instead of just doing drive bys?
SprachBrooks
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It's actually disgraceful that The Order:1886 didn't make no. 1, I'm kind of pissed and I'll be writing in.
Edit: lists like this aren't even worth discussing, you'll always disagree but I guess it's interesting seeing people's alternatives then having others disagree with their alternatives lol.
Edit: lists like this aren't even worth discussing, you'll always disagree but I guess it's interesting seeing people's alternatives then having others disagree with their alternatives lol.
GravityInsanity
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Pamplemousse
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No Metroid Prime. Completely worthless list
hydrophilic attack
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You're right about this part. My bad.
Still think that most of the games in the list you gave have very little in common with Souls games. Souls games are loved for so many more reasons than lack of handholding, scarcity of checkpoints and difficulty
You're right. Souls games belong in their own list. That, or the top 5 in the actually sensible list from EDGE, an actual gaming site.
Enjoy the 10 hours automated, baby hand-holding tutorial of your next Zelda game though. If it's ever released, that is.
Ha, as a Fallout fan I'm glad to see one Fallout make the list (and I can even appreciate why). But They are going to get some angry fallout/rpg fans for daring say it surpassed the original in *every* way (come on, I can understand why it is more culturaly relevant as it did get more interest than the previous falluots but no way is it better in every way unless you don't give one crap about RPG).
But yes, Bethesda is what got it popular and 3 was what really brought Fallout into the limelight (even if it in my opinion is on the bottom of the list of best Fallouts if you ignore Tactics and Brotherhood of Steel).
Overall the list actually looks pretty good and I gotta agree with it. Looks like they were going for made the most impression on our culture in general (and not just how good a game it was).
But yes, Bethesda is what got it popular and 3 was what really brought Fallout into the limelight (even if it in my opinion is on the bottom of the list of best Fallouts if you ignore Tactics and Brotherhood of Steel).
Overall the list actually looks pretty good and I gotta agree with it. Looks like they were going for made the most impression on our culture in general (and not just how good a game it was).
Dangoesforth
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ViewtifulJC
Banned
This is a really bizarre argument. Because something has aspects of gaming conventions that were more in vogue by a select few japanese video game companies a decade ago, it can't be a contender for Best Game Ever. Is that really it?
Like somebody thought Dark Souls was the best game, and your response was "heh you kids today they used to make hard games all the time"
like
ok
but
they didnt make this game soooooooo
Confused Cheeseburger
Member
Decent list. Some bizarre choices and omissions.
ICO?
Shadow of the Colossus?
Deus Ex?
Metal Gear Solid?
Uncharted 2?
But ROTR? UH...OK...
ICO?
Shadow of the Colossus?
Deus Ex?
Metal Gear Solid?
Uncharted 2?
But ROTR? UH...OK...
Salty Hippo
Member
I played both MK1 and MK2 in their heydays on the Genesis. Always thought that series was garbage in comparison to SF2 and pretty much every SNK fighter of the time.
Not sure what kind of objectivity you expect to discuss in any "best of" list. Every list and every opinion about said lists will always be entirely subjective.
I also think it's funny that just after you say I've thrown objectivity out the window, you proceed to suggest ROTR is not a good game as if that was some kind of hard fact.
Confused Cheeseburger
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I'm outta here
The Albatross
Member
WAit, the list is missing Half-Life ... and Rise of the Tomb Raider is at a similar position as Half-Life 2 and Grand Theft Auto III? ESPN NFL 2K5 over every Madden game is insanity.
Ugh. I dunno. It's impossible to put together lists like this, but if you're putting a game like ZORK in the top 20 because it's an original shooter, then you can't put NFL 2K5 ahead of Madden '93 or 95 or 2001 or even the contemporary Maddens.
There's no uncharted or last of us but there's Rise of the Tomb Raider...? RoTR is a fine, decent, game but it won't even be a top game from this generation or this decade, let alone of all time.
Fallout 3 is a good game and it's one of my top games ever, but FO3 "surpassing Fallout 1/2 in virtually every way..." is ... insanity. The person has obviously never played most of the games on this list.
Oregon Trail in the top 10 is a cop out. It's a memorable game that everybody remembers for about 2 reasons, getting dystentary and dying. But it's not a very good videogame, it's just memorable because you were forced to play it as the only decent game on school computers in the 1980s and 1990s. Oregon Trail is like mimeograph paper, very memorable and evocative of an earlier time, but for the most part, shit.
Ugh. I dunno. It's impossible to put together lists like this, but if you're putting a game like ZORK in the top 20 because it's an original shooter, then you can't put NFL 2K5 ahead of Madden '93 or 95 or 2001 or even the contemporary Maddens.
There's no uncharted or last of us but there's Rise of the Tomb Raider...? RoTR is a fine, decent, game but it won't even be a top game from this generation or this decade, let alone of all time.
Fallout 3 is a good game and it's one of my top games ever, but FO3 "surpassing Fallout 1/2 in virtually every way..." is ... insanity. The person has obviously never played most of the games on this list.
Oregon Trail in the top 10 is a cop out. It's a memorable game that everybody remembers for about 2 reasons, getting dystentary and dying. But it's not a very good videogame, it's just memorable because you were forced to play it as the only decent game on school computers in the 1980s and 1990s. Oregon Trail is like mimeograph paper, very memorable and evocative of an earlier time, but for the most part, shit.
Salty Hippo
Member
He's not wrong about the gameplay and exploration, so I think his post deserves a little better than shitposts like these.
But hey, in a thread like this that's probably just me.
SavoyPrime
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Saw the Top 10 and immediately decided to not even bother looking at the rest of this list. LOL
GravityInsanity
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So I guess you're going to ignore the rest of the sentence huh?
AyaisMUsikWhore
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The fact that tomb Raiders entire overhaul was due to the success of a franchise that came from the same studio that made TLOU and including the fact that TLOU is one of the highest critically acclaimed games in gaming is what makes that entire statement ridiculous. Tomb Raider isn't doing anything different than the game that pretty much helped change its entire identity besides the things you listed... But TLOU will be more regarded in history than the ROTR will ever be and that's a fact.
Because mk is infinitely better than sf.
Aside from RotTR (which I believe is a bait), I think the list is alright. Yeah many great games should have been in Top 50, but most of the games on the list are worthy of top 50 spots. We should just be glad that we have so many amazing games.
The EDGE's list though, what a pile of garbage. EDGE being EDGE to the fullest.
The EDGE's list though, what a pile of garbage. EDGE being EDGE to the fullest.
Definitely not
Shit posting at it's finest. When you respond with a gif it's clear you have no counter point
hydrophilic attack
Member
Second or third worst mainline mario
Because it's superior in just about every single way?
The only thing H2 had over CE was the fact that XBL existed when it came out.
Salty Hippo
Member
That's quite a leap in logic. So just because TLOU is from the same studio that made a game (that's not even TLOU) that inspired Crystal to reboot TR, that means people can't prefer ROTR to TLOU (or even Uncharted)? What the fuck am I reading here?
"Besides the things I listed". So you agree that TR has better exploration? That was one of that poster's points. So why don't people discuss the merits of both games instead of posting stupid gif replies?
Ah, sure. Because it's ok for other people to ignore the OTHER half of the sentence, right?
Dion Blaster
Member
The top 10 is pretty damn solid, especially compared to that Edge list getting linked here. Does get a bit loopy after that though.
It's better than the Galaxy games. Deal with it.
of course nothing will be a one to one match but something like classic RE is similar to Souls in that you put in a space with very little direction and you have to pay attention to your environment and even a single enemy can really screw you up. You also have the minimalist story telling in RE with a lot of it told in files you pick up and you're constantly unlocking shortcuts and such.
Also the guy you replied to listed some PS2 FROM games which are literally just Souls before Souls.