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PlayStation Meeting announced. September 7th 3PM ET (PS4 Neo Reveal)
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jimbobsmells
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I doubt the bottom layer is curved. I mean, straight lines are not exactly this guys strong point are they.
CottonWolf
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I can't believe devs don't have the final specs at this point. Their games have to ship with support in a month.
Iacobellis
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Then again, Sony surprised developers with 8GB of GDDR5 RAM. The Neo could be coming out next year for all we know.
Well a dev just said he haven't received the final devkit & don't know if anything changed.
User123456
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This entire (IMO lackluster) generation has really been a victim/product of the current circumstances in the CPU landscape.
Existing AMD architectures being really bad, Intel dominating the market (and most likely being priced way out of budget for a mainstream console price) and the only AMD alternative being "almost but not quite ready".
Honestly, PS Neo suffers from horrible timing. It would greatly benefit from a 2017 release using Zen CPUs.
That is how technology is, you roll with the punches.
Its fine for an iterative unit that isn't supposed to go beyond PS4 games anyway, IMO.
Zen, GDDR6/HBM3/HBM+/whatever, and 2019 GPU's will only matter when devs can take advantage of them fully. by the time PS5 rolls around, these technologies will be viable.
I'm assuming he means devkits directly based on launch units.
uhh they probably know the final specs i.e they stayed pretty much the same
User123456
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Pretty much, which only makes me even more sad. I play my PS3 all the time, and it's pretty much a daily reminder of how disappointing this gen has been.
Next gen can't come soon enough (or rather it can, it shouldn't come out until there's meaningful competition in the high-performance x86 desktop-class CPU sector).
Here's to hoping FFXV doesn't have significant CPU bottlenecks. Despite how relatively "slight" the upgrade to specs is, I don't have my own PS4 yet and Neo+FFXV sounds like the perfect excuse.
Woodchipper
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That looks quite good actually. Good job!Oh, so some PS2 layering eh? Nice! Made this. Didn't want to wait until having time for 3D model work, plus busy week anyway.
Solid/locked FPS and higher graphics settings and better IQ seem like the perfect solution for this game in any case, which NEO will most likely provide in spades.
Who says Neo in 2016 is a sure thing? With Slim already leaked it could be very possible that Neo gets pushed back to 2017. I still can't see how Sony launching three new hardwares at the same time (VR, Slim, Neo) without massive confusion among consumers.
User123456
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If the specs are finalized, it has to be coming out this year. It's already not that much of an upgrade, by next year it'll be positively anemic and most likely battling flak from MS/Scorpio.
A 2016 holiday release with some PS VR bundles would be a bombshell of hype, methinks.
artsi
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Neo and VR (with better visuals in Neo mode) would go nicely hand in hand, though.
jimbobsmells
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If really makes more sense for it to come out this year. Gives it at least 12 months on Scorpio before the power comparisons start in earnest, and supports a better PSVR experience.
Markitron
Is currently staging a hunger strike outside Gearbox HQ while trying to hate them to death
That and the fact that the slim isn't really new hardware, just a low-priced revision. Whatever marketing they do for the slim will likely be all about the price.
Plinko
Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
A $700-$800 bundle wouldn't qualify as a "bombshell of hype."
mitchman
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Nightengale
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If Neo is next year, Sony would've pushed back the announcement to next year. House already strongly hinted he wanted an Apple style turnaround back at E3 and it makes sense.
User123456
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I'm pretty sure PS VR (and by extension all other big VR headsets) is incredibly, almost mind-bogglingly overpriced.
I mean, it's pretty much a phone display with none of the phone parts. The optics and whatever is needed for signal splitting can't possibly add to anywhere near even a total of 200 bucks (but feel free to prove me wrong, because I'm legitimately curious).
Imagine a Neo + PSVR bundle for FIVE HUNDRED AND NINETY-NINE US DOLLARS. I'd be all over it, at least.
Plinko
Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
That is still way too expensive to hype the average consumer, especially when the Neo doesn't play new games. Might be good for the niche, but if they're pricing Neo at $400, there's absolutely no way they cut $200 off the total price.
StrongBlackVine
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You were a rat in your former life
Nah I plan to get a pet cat at some point, but I will make sure to get a very sociable breed.
xenorevlis
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Not that overpriced at all. Will they make some profit? Sure, but not Apple levels of overpricing. Not even close.
Headset is cheapest of the big three, yet those two are slapped onto your face with straps. The PSVR uses a halo system instead that surrounds your head with the screen portion "hanging" in front like a welding mask. The design feels a lot more durable in the process (with mechanical tightening and release system, plus the headset can slide back and forth and be lifted up while the whole thing remains on your head), the screen is not just "a phone screen", the device has it's own motion sensors built in, LEDs all around, and comes with a breakout box to handle 3D audio and TV feed.
By comparison, the GearVR is $99 (last year's model anyway) for just a box to hold your $500+ phone and straps to smush the thing against your face. It too has some motion sensors built in, and some rudimentary buttons on the side. I still enjoy using it, though with a gamepad
User123456
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Not that overpriced at all. Will they make some profit? Sure, but not Apple levels of overpricing. Not even close.
Headset is cheapest of the big three, yet those two are slapped onto your face with straps. The PSVR uses a halo system instead that surrounds your head with the screen portion "hanging" in front like a welding mask. The design feels a lot more durable in the process (with mechanical tightening and release system, plus the headset can slide back and forth and be lifted up while the whole thing remains on your head), the screen is not just "a phone screen", the device has it's own motion sensors built in, LEDs all around, and comes with a breakout box to handle 3D audio and TV feed.
By comparison, the GearVR is $99 (last year's model anyway) for just a box to hold your $500+ phone and straps to smush the thing against your face. It too has some motion sensors built in, and some rudimentary buttons on the side. I still enjoy using it, though with a gamepad
GearVR (and Samsung in general) isn't the best example of "not overpricing Apple-style", I think.
There's decent quality "phone holder" VR googles for 20 bucks. Budget mid-tier phones also have motion sensors, and LEDs are the very definition of inexpensive. As for audio/video output, chinese tablets have mini-hdmi outputs (with whatever hardware is required) built in, making it "3D" can't be much more expensive.
I'm fairly certain that the profit margin on PS VR is insane, especially since it relies on a lot of tech that they already R&D'd (and field tested) with PS Move.
jimbobsmells
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It's quite clever actually, if it looks like a stacked Slim then it almost infers that it's more powerful (like duct taping two PS4's together)
User123456
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I really didn't like the PS4 Slim design. I think it misses the mark completely from how good the PS4 looks. Whether it's because of it only has one line (vs the 2 crossing main design lines of the PS4), or because the edges are rounded, who knows. But there's just something about it.
I'd love for the PS Neo to look more like the PS4 and less like the Slim, but we all know it ain't happening.
xenorevlis
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GearVR was only mentioned as it's the biggest entry level VR accessory on the market and a quarter the price of PSVR (not including camera). R&D on move controllers for PS3 and even PS4 AR is not the same thing. At all.
Headset tracking a device with specialized LEDs for the PS4 camera, 120hz RGB screen with sub 16ms input, breakout box with 3D binaural audio mixing and barrel distorion-fixing processors, and a halo system instead of just straps, are components that are a bit more expensive than you seem to comprehend. A mini HDMI port on a Chinese tablet is not a good comparison whatsoever.
Anyway, you asked, I gave you an informed response, but you seem to be stuck with your assumptions. Oh well.
User123456
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Please don't take my opinions personally, and don't think I don't value your well thought out responses. Despite not quite agreeing, I appreciate the additional information.
xenorevlis
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Worry not, I'm a long time member and never really take anything personally. Just a tech head who works on VR, animatronics, and several facets of interactive and passive video production.
So thought I'd offer some insight.
Oh, so some PS2 layering eh? Nice! Made this. Didn't want to wait until having time for 3D model work, plus busy week anyway.
The Disc Tray/USB ports are on the bottom part according to the drawing.
User123456
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PSQuack.
Love it. Hope it's similar to this.My version of the Foxconn artist's work.
I guess it's cool. You could use the front side as a mini skateboard ramp, or plow snow with it.
THE:MILKMAN
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Only those devs that have games coming out end Sept/beginning Oct would need a final dev/test kit if specs have changed over the ones talked about in the docs. Even then they could patch later if the changes are minor?
The simplest explanation for me is that Sony have planned all along to only release the final test kit (that is in a retail case) immediately after the PS Meeting so pics of the Neo don't leak before the reveal.
KennyLinder
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Exactly. The hardware we got previously was the leaked spec, so anything else additional (if any) will probably be minor anyway.
xenorevlis
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Ah, good call. Sorry I did that really quickly last night. It's now early morning and I'm working on an interactive video presentation, so can't correct it just yet...
JetSetRadio
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I'm going to be disappointed if I can't play all the big fall titles in neo mode.
Jet Set Radio Future NEO DIAMOND ULTRA.
funkystudent
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Leaked NEO picture
Luckily there is Deus Ex and WoW: Legion to keep me busy the next couple of days, otherwise this would be a very long wait for the event.
According to computerbase.de Zen will be available for semi custom designs after they ship APUs in the second half of 2017. This could mean no Zen in Scorpio, either.
According to computerbase.de Zen will be available for semi custom designs after they ship APUs in the second half of 2017. This could mean no Zen in Scorpio, either.
They have to recoup R&D costs along with legal, support, etc. The cost of plastic and wires isn't necessarily the biggest concern.
Inf3cted_b3ast
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This new Sony Ps4 designs aren't speaking to me starting with the Ps4 slim. If the Neo ends up looking like that drawing then I'm not a fan of it's design. Anyways I can't wait for Sony to put out the official specs.
User123456
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I'm not counting on Scorpio to have Zen, especially if Neo doesn't either. But on the other hand I'm not sure how they're gonna feed their GPU, as I'm already having doubts on the Neo's CPU being able to do that for its own GPU.
DISSESHOWEDO
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Got home a few minutes ago. Here you go:
Thanks for the effort, much appreciated! If they release a similar Neo, I'm day one. Until then I'm sticking with my MGSV PS4.
The Elite
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If I do the math correctly this should have the power of a PS6.
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