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[Dystify]

Newly added to my NX summary post:

Source link to Osirisblack's comment about how NX can get ports from XBO/PS4 and a source link for Splatoon/Super Mario Maker ports. Also a note for those two games as their development status seems to be up in the air.

• Any game that runs on PS4/XBO should run on NX with little to no issue. (Osirisblack on NeoGAF. Comment Link)
  
  
• Splatoon (Source) Note: This game is in development but may not release. See source.
• Super Mario Maker (Source) Note: This game is in development but may not release. See source.

Link: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?p=215758899#post215758899

Edit: I reworded Osirisblack's comment to better replicate his wording.

When looking for latest news, all sites are mention the old school 90' cartridges are back.

Nx is a handheld like 3ds, but can connected on tv. So that part of cartridges isn't something new. But still people are blown away by it

Yeah unless they use something totally new cartridges were going to be used. I guess if we didn't know that NX is a mobile console first then this would be bigger news.

 

[ggx2ac]

That segmented d-pad is one of the biggest red flags to me that Emily Rogers' rumors are false. Nintendo is credited with creating the dpad we know today, why would they go back on 30+ years of that? This thread is full of speculation about how everything is going to fit together logically, so what's the logic behind a segmented dpad?

I'm sure if (when) the final product comes out with a regular dpad, people will say the leakers must have been looking at rough prototypes that had micro switches instead of their dpads but that's a completely horse shit cop-out. I expect them to be wrong on the segmented dpad.

One possibility is, when I look at this:

I just think, "Hey, that guy at Foxconn that claimed he saw a PSP-like device definitely would have mistaken the unbranded NX for a Sony product because of the split D-pad."

Of course, maybe that PSP-like device was just some random android handheld.

Hearing from Emily that the NX is ahead of schedule makes me think of a few possibilities.

 

[Mr Swine]

So if the battery life isn't that good then it either means...

1. The GPU is a older product, namely the K1 which runs hot, consumes tons of power compared to the X1 and Pascal GPU and runs at a lower speed to combat that.

2. It's the X1 and it's running at near full speeds which could be a reason why the battery life is not good

3. It's using the latest pascal GPU and it's running at full speed

4. It's using pascal or X1 and has a small battery

 

[Luigiv]

So if the battery life isn't that good then it either means...

1. The GPU is a older product, namely the K1 which runs hot, consumes tons of power compared to the X1 and Pascal GPU and runs at a lower speed to combat that.

2. It's the X1 and it's running at near full speeds which could be a reason why the battery life is not good

3. It's using the latest pascal GPU and it's running at full speed

4. It's using pascal or X1 and has a small battery

There's a 0% chance it's option 1. It makes no sense that they'd move backwards to an older architecture like that.

Anyway, it's obviously option 4.

 

[Dystify]

So if the battery life isn't that good then it either means...

1. The GPU is a older product, namely the K1 which runs hot, consumes tons of power compared to the X1 and Pascal GPU and runs at a lower speed to combat that.

2. It's the X1 and it's running at near full speeds which could be a reason why the battery life is not good

3. It's using the latest pascal GPU and it's running at full speed

4. It's using pascal or X1 and has a small battery

Emily reported the thickness of the device to be 14~15 mm. I assume this means the battery is rather small. It's still a lot bigger than a smartphone in comparison. My phone is about 8mm, but (HD) gaming does take a lot more power.

 

[AtomskEater]

I thought I'd throw my hat into the NX design ring.

The unique features are:

• Textured controllers for better grip
• Unique pinch-activated L & R buttons
• Kickstand
• Swappable faceplates
• Launches in four colors: strawberry, lemon, lime, and blue raspberry

Can I kickstart this?

 

[Otakumegane]

When Emily says the battery life isn't good, could she mean the dev kit battery using X1 OC?

Did she get the info from final dev kits with Pascal/Parker variant?

 

[Mokujin]

I thought I'd throw my hat into the NX design ring.

The unique features are:

• Textured controllers for better grip
• Unique pinch-activated L & R buttons
• Kickstand
• Swappable faceplates
• Launches in four colors: strawberry, lemon, lime, and blue raspberry

This is the most attractive mock-up to date for me, but I hope the split dpad are not separate buttons and they are one piece like playstation dpads, buttons should be classic ones in Nintendo handhelds, and I highly doubt release model colour is black.

And lets talk about NX controller for a moment, I can't see myself enjoying NX at home with detachable controllers, I know people are really against the idea of different SKUs, but I think at the very least there should be something like NX + Pro Controller pack to get a better portable + home experience from the get go. I know they could just sell them as an accessory, but personally I think a "home pack pro" makes sense.

 

[richman555]

I find it odd that it will not have a camera and microphone built in. With the advent of Pokemon Go youd think this would be prerequisite.

 

[Dystify]

When Emily says the battery life isn't good, could she mean the dev kit battery using X1 OC?

Did she get the info from final dev kits with Pascal/Parker variant?

Every info in my summary is about the final/retail NX device, not the prototype. Emily did say she thinks the battery life in the final unit will be not great. But it's still not 100% of course and should be treated as a rumor.

See: https://arcadegirl64.wordpress.com/2016/09/02/rumor-what-should-we-expect-from-the-final-nx-product/

 

[Roo]

Newly added to my NX summary post:

Source link to Osirisblack's comment about how NX can get ports from XBO/PS4 and a source link for Splatoon/Super Mario Maker ports. Also a note for those two games as their development status seems to be up in the air.



Link: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?p=215758899#post215758899

Edit: I reworded Osirisblack's comment to better replicate his wording.

I actually wonder if he knew about what the NX was back then.

Anyway, NX seems to be able to handle the popular engines just fine but let's wait if third parties actually give a damn about it.

 

[Mr Swine]

There's a 0% chance it's option 1. It makes no sense that they'd move backwards to an older architecture like that.

Anyway, it's obviously option 4.

This is Nvidia we are talking about, they could "accident;y" give Nintendo the older K1 GPU's and go "Oh we thought you said K1 and not X1, our bad!"

Spoiler

i'm obviously joking here lol

Emily reported the thickness of the device to be 14~15 mm. I assume this means the battery is rather small. It's still a lot bigger than a smartphone in comparison. My phone is about 8mm, but (HD) gaming does take a lot more power.

Heh I thought so, well if it's the same as 3DS then I won't complain

 

[richman555]

So its a larger handheld than the 3DS with no camera and microphone and poor battery life.... but it does have a dock and tv out.

 

[orioto]

I thought I'd throw my hat into the NX design ring.

The unique features are:

• Textured controllers for better grip
• Unique pinch-activated L & R buttons
• Kickstand
• Swappable faceplates
• Launches in four colors: strawberry, lemon, lime, and blue raspberry

Problem with this kind of design is.. The interior edge of each controller is straight, as the corner.. Would be a hell for the fingers..

 

[Discokuningas]

Has anyone thought that maybe these Wii U ports have all along actually been 3ds games? Maybe source for this info heard that Mario Maker and maybe other prototypes were in development and assumed that they were for NX and in reality they might have been for 3ds. Here we have already Mario Maker for 3ds and with some problems with online. Wasn't there some rumour about the same kind of problems with the supposed NX title?

 

[Luigiv]

This is Nvidia we are talking about, they could "accident;y" give Nintendo the older K1 GPU's and go "Oh we thought you said K1 and not X1, our bad!"

Spoiler

i'm obviously joking here lol

Sorry, Poe's law.

 

[Peterc]

So if the battery life isn't that good then it either means...

1. The GPU is a older product, namely the K1 which runs hot, consumes tons of power compared to the X1 and Pascal GPU and runs at a lower speed to combat that.

2. It's the X1 and it's running at near full speeds which could be a reason why the battery life is not good

3. It's using the latest pascal GPU and it's running at full speed

4. It's using pascal or X1 and has a small battery

I think the dev kit got the x1 and in the final it will have the Pascal. Nvidea needs to show the industry their leading chip. Nx providing this chip would be a Smart move from them. Also if they need to sell it cheap.

But don't think the nx would only cost 199$. We would be lucky if they sell it fof 250$. And that's still a cheap price compared to the 3ds. Btw what was vita launch price?

 

[OrbitalBeard]

I think the dev kit got the x1 and in the final it will have the Pascal. Nvidea needs to show the industry their leading chip. Nx providing this chip would be a Smart move from them. Also if they need to sell it cheap.

But don't think the nx would only cost 199$. We would be lucky if they sell it fof 250$. And that's still a cheap price compared to the 3ds. Btw what was vita launch price?

Both 3DS and Vita launched at $250.

 

[ggx2ac]

Every info in my summary is about the final/retail NX device, not the prototype. Emily did say she thinks the battery life in the final unit will be not great. But it's still not 100% of course and should be treated as a rumor.

See: https://arcadegirl64.wordpress.com/2016/09/02/rumor-what-should-we-expect-from-the-final-nx-product/

Oh...

I’ve heard that this is close to the final retail product. Take with a grain of salt because this is just a rumor.

Is the final product going to have a fan inside?

She mentions custom Nvidia GPU, so surely going off of NateDrake saying it would be Pascal-based means it has to be something based off of Parker.

As I said before, it's claimed that Parker goes up to 1.5 TFLOPS for FP16. (The claim was 50% increased performance over TX1)

I'm just wondering if the final product does have a fan in it. It would mean a lot I guess for those that want the docked performance mode.

 

[KojiKnight]

I think the dev kit got the x1 and in the final it will have the Pascal. Nvidea needs to show the industry their leading chip. Nx providing this chip would be a Smart move from them. Also if they need to sell it cheap.

But don't think the nx would only cost 199$. We would be lucky if they sell it fof 250$. And that's still a cheap price compared to the 3ds. Btw what was vita launch price?

250 would be sending it to die as a portable. The market has shown time and again that portables need to be relatively cheap, and 250 is pushing into full console territory.

$200 is my bet to replace new 3ds xl in their price line up.

 

[KratosEnergyDrink]

I find it odd that it will not have a camera and microphone built in. With the advent of Pokemon Go youd think this would be prerequisite.

NX would need GPS and mobile internet to run Pokémon Go.

 

[KratosEnergyDrink]

Both 3DS and Vita launched at $250.

Vita price was not really 250$ because it needed a memory card. So more like 300$ for Vita.

 

[Genio88]

250 would be sending it to die as a portable. The market has shown time and again that portables need to be relatively cheap, and 250 is pushing into full console territory.

$200 is my bet to replace new 3ds xl in their price line up.

Yes, i think too the price will be between 200/249$, no chance they'll go higher, Nintendo learned the lesson. Also we really shouldn't compare the Nvidia Shield price with what NX will cost just cause they have the same CPU/GPU, the rest of their hardware will be totally different, we don't know which version of Tegra NX will have, also NX won't come out until March 2017(hopefully) and in 6 month price of technology drops drastically

 

[OrbitalBeard]

Even though I think Nintendo will aim for $199 in order to hit a mass market price point, I don't think you can really compare this to any of their previous handhelds directly. I don't think a whole lot of people are prepared for just how big of a sea change this device is going to be for the company.

 

[KAL2006]

If they went $200 they would sell like hot cakes


But I'm guessing it will be $250

 

[Cheeseman Battitude]

Problem with this kind of design is.. The interior edge of each controller is straight, as the corner.. Would be a hell for the fingers..

Another reason I don't understand them. But if they clip together or clip to a central part that houses a battery that would eliminate the problem.

 

[orioto]

Another reason I don't understand them. But if they clip together or clip to a central part that houses a battery that would eliminate the problem.

But what about the 2 players part. Kids will slice them hands open with this

 

[G.ZZZ]

Oh...

Is the final product going to have a fan inside?

She mentions custom Nvidia GPU, so surely going off of NateDrake saying it would be Pascal-based means it has to be something based off of Parker.

As I said before, it's claimed that Parker goes up to 1.5 TFLOPS for FP16. (The claim was 50% increased performance over TX1)

I'm just wondering if the final product does have a fan in it. It would mean a lot I guess for those that want the docked performance mode.

A fan seems so unlikely though. With that size, a Pascal based Tegra should have no problems running at good speeds. A fan is prone to breaking in something that you move around and add weight, seems extremely unlikely they'll go with it imho.

If there was an actual fan in there, and a Pascal, then we're looking at stock clock or close to them imho. The volume of this thing is close to Pixel C which run a X1 at similar wattages of stock clock X2 (this is an assumption based on Pascal projected power draws, but we'd need benchmarks since the thing is still not out).

An alternative is this actually using Maxwell, in which case the fan make a lot more sense. I hope it's not so.

Also that mockup looks real good and sexy, but those controllers aren't really functional. Not horizontally so anyway. More probably, at this point, they're meant to be used as wiimotes (but only vertical mode). If that were so, then it would make sense to have the cross and the analog or circle pad closer to each other to improve the grip. I honestly really dislike the idea of having such small controllers, but whatever. I'll play this in mobile or docked with pro controller anyway.

 

[Branduil]

I have to imagine Nintendo will do everything it can to reach a sub-$200 price. Even if that's not possible, they can't just sell it for $250 again. Maybe $230, with a bunch of value added, such as a pack-in game like Wii Sports and Nintendoland, and a choice of several free virtual console games. And then they can drop the price by $30 by its second holiday season.

 

[richman555]

NX would need GPS and mobile internet to run Pokémon Go.

Makes sense. Honestly I dont ever use the cameras on the 3ds. They had the novelty of 3d pictures and thats about it.

 

[ggx2ac]

A fan seems so unlikely though. With that size, a Pascal based Tegra should have no problems running at good speeds. A fan is prone to breaking in something that you move around and add weight, seems extremely unlikely they'll go with it imho.

...

An alternative is this actually using Maxwell, in which case the fan make a lot more sense. I hope it's not so.

Yeah, I'll just go back to the assumption that it won't have a fan and it will possibly be between 400-600 GFLOPS at FP32 then.

It seems unlikely they would forgo choosing a design based off of Parker so then they could stick a fan inside the NX with Maxwell. lol

 

[Oregano]

A fan seems so unlikely though. With that size, a Pascal based Tegra should have no problems running at good speeds. A fan is prone to breaking in something that you move around and add weight, seems extremely unlikely they'll go with it imho.

If there was an actual fan in there, and a Pascal, then we're looking at stock clock or close to them imho. The volume of this thing is close to Pixel C which run a X1 at similar wattages of stock clock X2 (this is an assumption based on Pascal projected power draws, but we'd need benchmarks since the thing is still not out).

An alternative is this actually using Maxwell, in which case the fan make a lot more sense. I hope it's not so.

Also that mockup looks real good and sexy, but those controllers aren't really functional. Not horizontally so anyway. More probably, at this point, they're meant to be used as wiimotes (but only vertical mode). If that were so, then it would make sense to have the cross and the analog or circle pad closer to each other to improve the grip. I honestly really dislike the idea of having such small controllers, but whatever. I'll play this in mobile or docked with pro controller anyway.

I'd have to think Nintendo would just go lower power and not have a fan when it comes down to it. I just don't see them being happy about having a (noisy) fan in a handheld unit.

 

[G.ZZZ]

I'd have to think Nintendo would just go lower power and not have a fan when it comes down to it. I just don't see them being happy about having a (noisy) fan in a handheld unit.

A fan would certainly not work while in mobile mode though. Mobile would clock lower and disable the fan to substantially increase battery life. Also, a fan in something that move is far more prone to breaking, compared to a fan that work only while the device is docked.

The good part of the fan is that it allow the chipset to reach stock clocks while docked in theory.

 

[Hermii]

Why would the NX need to run Pokemon Go? By march, everyone will have forgotten about it.

 

[Stulaw]

I thought I'd throw my hat into the NX design ring.

The unique features are:

• Textured controllers for better grip
• Unique pinch-activated L & R buttons
• Kickstand
• Swappable faceplates
• Launches in four colors: strawberry, lemon, lime, and blue raspberry

It looks nice, but again, as with the other designs, the button positioning is awful, they need to be diagonal, think about how it would work with your thumbs.

 

[Oregano]

A fan would certainly not work while in mobile mode though. Mobile would clock lower and disable the fan to substantially increase battery life. Also, a fan in something that move is far more prone to breaking, compared to a fan that work only while the device is docked.

The good part of the fan is that it allow the chipset to reach stock clocks while docked in theory.

As far as we know though there's no difference in power profile when docked. I mean it's possible but it sounds a bit iffy to me.

 

[G.ZZZ]

As far as we know though there's no difference in power profile when docked. I mean it's possible but it sounds a bit iffy to me.

If Nintendo want to push on the "hybrid" aspect of the device to make the percieved value greater, a docked mode is a 0 cost investment that do that though and has no explanation baggage for the general public (you don't need to explain it at all) while being a significant plus for gamers that want to play on TVs. Even just 720p->900p would make it look substantially better on TVs, and that's like 55% higher clock, same assets (compared to 2.25 needed to reach 1080p). I'm saying this because a fan in mobile mode seems extremely sketchy and would mean the device probably run at like 2-3 hours top if the wattage is so high to need active cooling even with parker (at that size, a 6-7 W total shouldn't require active cooling, and parker hit 500 gflops at like 4-5W, add 2.5 W of the screen and you're there). Them going for much lowered clocks and 720p vs 1080p would give them much better battery life and IQ on TVs, in exchange for worse graphics in strictly portable mode (still better than WiiU i guess, at 250-350 Gflops vs 500-600 of docked mode, or what i guess 400-500 Gflop in a single unique Hybrid mode).

I just can't really see a fan there without needing to hit high clocks, but said high clocks seems extremely counterproductive for the mobile mode of the thing.

 

[ggx2ac]

...

I'm saying this because a fan in mobile mode seems extremely sketchy and would mean the device probably run at like 2-3 hours top if the wattage is so high to need active cooling even with parker (at that size, a 6-7 W total shouldn't require active cooling, and parker hit 500 gflops at like 4-5W, add 2.5 W of the screen and you're there). Them going for much lowered clocks and 720p vs 1080p would give them much better battery life and IQ on TVs, in exchange for worse graphics in strictly portable mode (still better than WiiU i guess, at 250-350 Gflops vs 500-600 of docked mode, or what i guess 400-500 Gflop in a single unique Hybrid mode).

I just can't really see a fan there without needing to hit high clocks, but said high clocks seems extremely counterproductive for the mobile mode of the thing.

I forgot that we have to take into account how many SMs this thing will have. Parker uses 128 CUDA Cores per SM and it has 2 SM in its design.

What if Nintendo decides to go for 1 SM to save on costs? Most optimistic performance without a fan would probably be 300-400 GFLOPS.

I kept assuming 400-600 GFLOPS for 2 SM without a fan. (If possible)

This is a pain to have to think about especially with regards to the "noisy cooling" mentioned in Emily's article.

Edit: Was thinking about this in the sense that no docked performance mode would happen because it wouldn't be powerful enough anyway with 1 SM.

 

[MR ARCADE FOREVER]

I thought I'd throw my hat into the NX design ring.

The unique features are:

• Textured controllers for better grip
• Unique pinch-activated L & R buttons
• Kickstand
• Swappable faceplates
• Launches in four colors: strawberry, lemon, lime, and blue raspberry

Could someone photoshop some games on the screen just to have a better idea how it would like please!?

 

[ozfunghi]

So if the battery life isn't that good then it either means...

1. The GPU is a older product, namely the K1 which runs hot, consumes tons of power compared to the X1 and Pascal GPU and runs at a lower speed to combat that.

2. It's the X1 and it's running at near full speeds which could be a reason why the battery life is not good

3. It's using the latest pascal GPU and it's running at full speed

4. It's using pascal or X1 and has a small battery

The Tegra X1 is in the devkit and it is being actively cooled.
That means two things: it's clocked high enough to produce good performance, but also much heat.
NateDrake told us the final GPU inside, will be Pascal based.
The Pascal successor to the TX1 is 60% more powerefficient.
This means two things. It will consume 60% less power. It will run much less hot than the TX1 to reach the same performance.

Conclusion: battery life can be boosted tremendously by switching to Pascal, due to the chip draining 60% less power, and due to the fact that it doesn't need active cooling, hence no cooling fan further draining the battery.

 

[Genio88]

I thought I'd throw my hat into the NX design ring.

The unique features are:

• Textured controllers for better grip
• Unique pinch-activated L & R buttons
• Kickstand
• Swappable faceplates
• Launches in four colors: strawberry, lemon, lime, and blue raspberry

Sold, i want the white model though, and SNES colored buttons...stil doesn't look that comfortable to me, maybe it should be less edgey

 

[MDave]

I'm expecting 4-5 hour battery life, like the 3DS, Vita, PSP etc. as that seems to be the bare minimum, and average they have gone for in the past.

Unless they go for a 3000mAh+ battery or so. Plenty of room to put that in a device with a 6.2 inch screen.

 

[jonno394]

I thought I'd throw my hat into the NX design ring.

The unique features are:

• Textured controllers for better grip
• Unique pinch-activated L & R buttons
• Kickstand
• Swappable faceplates
• Launches in four colors: strawberry, lemon, lime, and blue raspberry

If you make the controller segments wider then you can have the stick and buttons diagonal to each other much like the Wii U controller (and every other controller at the moment) has the right stick and buttons. I think thats what i'd prefer positions wise.

 

[Eccocid]

Am i missing a point? What's the point of detachable controllers? Is it because you unplug them put the console on a deck for tv output and you keep using controllers?

Why they dont just ship it with an extra controller so the control units would be always on the system. Detaching and attaching them over and over again sounds like a bad idea.

 

[Candescence]

Good grief, there are so many mockups for this thing.

Also, it occurred to me that an advantage of the 'hybrid model' would be wireless LAN built-in right out of the box, since it's pretty much a feature of all of Nintendo's handhelds. Frankly, a portable console-level LAN system sounds great.

Am i missing a point? What's the point of detachable controllers? Is it because you unplug them put the console on a deck for tv output and you keep using controllers?

Why they dont just ship it with an extra controller so the control units would be always on the system. Detaching and attaching them over and over again sounds like a bad idea.

Because... An extra controller would raise the cost? Are you seriously forgetting something so obvious?

 

[KAL2006]

Am i missing a point? What's the point of detachable controllers? Is it because you unplug them put the console on a deck for tv output and you keep using controllers?

Why they dont just ship it with an extra controller so the control units would be always on the system. Detaching and attaching them over and over again sounds like a bad idea.

Maybe it's cheaper for them and they want people to be able to play games on the tablet withiut controls attached. Things like Mario Kart and Pikmin and Animal Crossing can easily work without buttons.

 

[ozfunghi]

How feasible is it to use magnets to attach the side controllers instead of this abomination:

I know that there are magnets that are really strong, as in needing actual force to take them appart, even in kids toys. It would be a much more elegant way to connect the device.

 

[BreakAtmo]

Something that was on my mind - if a company like Sony or Nintendo released a handheld with normal build quality, alongside a hardier model made of carbon fibre for $50 extra, would it sell well? I'm assuming it would actually make it more resistant, for all I know parts like the screen could make it just as vulnerable.

 

[Galava]

Something that was on my mind - if a company like Sony or Nintendo released a handheld with normal build quality, alongside a hardier model made of carbon fibre for $50 extra, would it sell well? I'm assuming it would actually make it more resistant, for all I know parts like the screen could make it just as vulnerable.

The only thing we can "assume" is this:

If NX is what we think it is, and it sells like candy and turns out to be really great, expect Sony/Microsoft to do something similar in the future.

 

[Dystify]

Edit:

The up-to-date NX rumor list can be found here: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=215758899&postcount=3056