Beer Monkey
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There's no legal basis or precedent. It wouldn't be hard or expensive to defend.
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NES, SNES, GEN and GBA Emulator Made on the UWP (Xbox Support) Now in Certification
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There's no legal basis or precedent. It wouldn't be hard or expensive to defend.
LordOcidax
Member
Basically everything about emulation and roms is illegal from Nintendo point of view... so i don't think that Microsoft want to clash with Nintendo in a court because an random app. Is not going to happen.
wait
nintendo actually downloaded a smb rom from the internet and sold it to us on virtual console?
why isn't this more well known?
lmao
charlequin
Banned
It (and every other emulator on Earth) is already freely available to use on every version of Windows, so... what would keeping it out accomplish, really?
Not letting a direct business competitor push them around with phony bullshit lawsuits?
Yes. Don't carry water for the "copyright means whatever I want it to" lobby, please.
This is literally just a bunch of bullshit Nintendo lawyers made up which has no basis in copyright law or caselaw. There is absolutely no legal basis past wishful thinking for this position.
It's not even really notable. Many, many retro re-releases have been new wrappers put around scene-release ROMs. And, I mean, really: if you're a Nintendo dev, why bother manually re-ripping SMB when a perfect digital copy already exists and you're the copyright owner so there isn't even anything questionable about copying it?
Beer Monkey
Member
Yawn. When is chickenshit Nintendo going to sue Steam and Google Play for the emulators on their services?
LordRaptor
Member
What nintendo games can I purchase on Steam?
of course there's nothing really wrong with it, but it's kinda laughable that an official nintendo product being sold to millions of people basically has some rom ripper from the 90s' signature deep inside of it
Beer Monkey
Member
What Nintendo games could you purchase on X1 if they allow this?
LordRaptor
Member
Okay, what product on steam allows playing nintendo games?
Just watched it...interesting take on this subject matter.
Beer Monkey
Member
Garry's Mod.
Mihael Mello Keehl
Banned
Wow that would be amazing!
LordRaptor
Member
I'll be honest I had no idea that that was a thing
LordOcidax
Member
Is not the same case.. PC and Android are already incontrolable with the emulators, but the Xbox One not. You can bet something like this is going to happen if Microsoft approve the emulator.
http://www.cultofmac.com/279045/nintendo-forces-takedown-gba4ios-emulator/
Abilidebob
Member
Why Nintendo only went after an emulator on iOS and not Android?
iOS software is controlled by Apple (unless the user jailbreaks), Android software is not controlled by Google. It's similar to the Windows Store, in that they own a distribution platform, but everyone can just ignore it if they want to, and install the software directly.
Beer Monkey
Member
There are emulators on the Play store.
Yes, just like on the Windows store, like Synth said.
Beer Monkey
Member
I'm not saying I think emulators are or should be illegal, just that Microsoft's lawyers could reasonably want to avoid having to answer that question in court.
All the hardware is public domain at this point right? Thats why we can get knock off retro consoles like the Retron 5 that can play NES/SNES/etc carts and one of the reasons why we're waiting on N64 support I think... I wonder how this extends to software emulation of hardware.
Didnt they create it in the first place?
Beer Monkey
Member
All the NES patents have expired.
petran79
Banned
Because they did not bother reading law changes of the past 15-20 years, judging from their answers.
Yea, and I'm saying that the Play store is one of many distribution options for Android, just as the Windows Store is one of many for Windows. Removing the app from either doesn't prevent even the average user from installing it to their device, whereas removing the app from the Xbox store or iOS store does.
Not all Android devices even access the Play store out of the box. Nobody fully controls either in the way that Apple does iOS or MS does Xbox.
Beer Monkey
Member
Irrelevant. Google owns a platform called the Play Store. Google controls the content in that store and has removed many apps from it. NES emulators are sold on it for real money and Google gets a percentage of that real money. Any legal recourse that Nintendo would have against Microsoft they have against Google right now.
They don't have any recourse, though. The NES patents are expired. An emulator that doesn't include Nintendo's copyrighted games isn't anything they'd succeed at stopping in a court. And they know this, I assure you.
Maybe with OneDrive or some other cloud service.
thomasmahler
Member
I'd love to be able to download RetroArch onto my Xbox One!
Beer Monkey
Member
The Xbox One can play MKV files. An emulator playing ROM files would be no different. They can allow this if they choose.
guybrushfreeman
Unconfirmed Member
Apple technically disallows emulators because they run arbitrary code. Of course this also avoids other issues as well. In theory it might be possible to use the emulator to then run other programs or code that wouldn't normally be allowed. These days Apple allows emulators with only pre-packed ROMs in certain cases to avoid the arbitrary code issue. Microsoft may use the same reasoning here side stepping the whole rom emulation issue entirely. It will be interesting to see what they decide.
Beer Monkey
Member
I don't actually think MS will release this. All I'm saying is that if they don't, it won't be over legality or litigation expense.
Remember, Sony had to buy Connectix to keep the VGS emulator off the market.
If they allow one emulator on Xbox One, that'd open up the door for other emulators as well. I don't think they want to go down that road.
LordRaptor
Member
The problem isn't emulators and it never has been emulators.
It's the ROMs / ISOs those emulators run, because emulators inherently strip away any form of copyright protection and anti-piracy mechanisms.
It's the ROMs / ISOs those emulators run, because emulators inherently strip away any form of copyright protection and anti-piracy mechanisms.
cause they are bombarded with apps since uwp was allowed for xbox only a couple days ago. All apps are taking long in certification right now.
Yup. End of. This gets okayed, then you'll have a PS1 Emulator on the store by Xmas.
That would be a riot.
Monday was a holiday so Thursday would be 3 business days if they aren't overloaded.
Personally, I'd love to see an Xbox Emulator on Xbox One. Just cuz it'd be confusing as hell. lol
LordOcidax
Member
Easy, Nintendo is going to target the Devs of the Emulator, like they did with the IOS emulator devs... I dont think that a small group of guys want to mess with Nintendo in a court...
Chip N Chance
Member
Im going to make sure i snag it as soon as possible just incase its pulled, but still works if you got it in time. Crazy stuff.
Shpeshal Nick
aka Collingwood
That would be amazing.
If my Xbox One could be my NES, SNES, Master System, Megadrive, N64, PlayStation and Saturn that would be amazing.
They do allow audio emulators though. You can play sound files from ripped from games on NES, C64, SMS, SNES, MegaDrive, Game Boy, Game Gear, MSX, PC Engine, PlayStation, N64, GBA, DS and other systems direct from apps on the AppStore.
LukasTaves
Member
Actually xbone is not as jailed as ios. You can enter dev mode which is essentially jail breaking, thought I don't know if you can run sideloaded games when not in game mode.
LukasTaves
Member
Why stop there? Pcsx2 and dolphin would be amazing too
Depending on what time it was submitted on Friday, it could be Wednesday since the process usually takes hours not days.
CPU's too weak for playable PCSX2 and Dolphin. PPSSPP might work though.