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Forza Horizon 3 PC Performance Thread

Lan Dong Mik

And why would I want them?
Wow, now I'm worried. 970 user here. Looks like everyone is having stuttering issues with this card? Fuck me. Just bought the Ultimate Edition thinking it'd run perfectly fine. I've got another 45 gigs to download. Gonna be a long nervous wait.

No way to get a refund is there? I don't have an Xbox so I might be fucked if this thing doesn't run like it should.
 
Which for a game optimised for a multi core console is pretty odd

It seems more like a 'one size fits all' at the moment, for easiest compatibility across different hardware. At the detriment to performance.

So who serves the crow for the "Game will perform amazing because Forza Apex" people? Those threads were pretty funny if you had the slightest doubts about Horizon's performance.

Well they are running on the same engine, so using that for comparison is just logical. High framerates are attainable in Apex, even when running 4K and lashings of AA.

The open world nature of this game would probably account for some hit in performance compared to Apex, but I doubt as much as what people are experiencing right now. With the right optimisation of course.

We can already see that the game isn't making much use of multi-core / multi-threading, so that's an obvious place to start working on.

Plus the PC version at the moment is far from running bad, it's just not running as well as it should be doing. And I bet that some good patches will fix most of it.
 
Extra annoying for anyone that stumped up for the ultimate edition. Perhaps we should have realised the potential to be disappointed

Well, I expressed my feelings about that here,

DOOM is actually the only game that I have right now that stutters for me. Can't fix it for the life of me. :/ Really want to finish the game too.

Syndicate runs ok for me though. No stuttering.

Apex a UWP game is one of the best optimized games I've ever played, beaten only by Mad Max ATM. No stuttering.

KI works perfectly as well, another UWP game.

I don't think it's as simple as UWP stutters. It can be for a multitude of reasons. I'm going to give them till official launch before I start throwing a fit. This may seem harsh but I don't feel bad for anyone who preordered a really expensive version of the game just to play it early without waiting for benchmarks and performance impressions from reviewers first. At this point I can't help but think that you knew what you where getting yourself into and had to have known it was a gamble. I mean, the ultimate version ain't cheap and you'd think that you would have put some thought behind it and understood that MS's endeavor into UWP play anywhere gaming is pretty new. I mean, even experienced devs outside of UWP in the PC field still put out messes occasionally as PC peeps very well know.

I was only wondering about playground because I think it would be in their best interest to be as vocal as possible at the moment. Especially after as you said, people paid a lot to play early. It's going to leave a really bad taste in their mouths and I think being as open as possible right now in assuaging concerns is the best way to sweeten the bitterness so to speak.

Not that I like the trend of paying extra for early access but, A. it's your money, vote with it however you want, and B. If MS want's the trend to continue or soar or whatever then when stuff like this happens it's best to get out in front of it. IMO of coarse.
 

Stevey

Member
Hmm.
i7 3770k 4.1ghz
GTX 1080
372.90 Driver
Win 10
16GB RAM
Installed on SSD
Auto detected Ultra preset, getting a really rough 40-60 or so FPS in the intro,turned things down to high, no real difference.
Then when it changed to the off road car, loads of stuttering.
I'll just play the Xbox One version for now.
 
Sounds to be completely designed around 30 fps with all of the typical hitches and stutters at higher framerates that cannot be brute forced in these cases because the PC version at higher framerates was an afterthought and as long as an issue doesn't tank the lead platforms framerate below the 30 fps target, it's not something that's going to get much attention.
 

Stevey

Member
Sounds to be completely designed around 30 fps with all of the typical hitches and stutters that cannot be brute forced in these cases because the PC version at higher framerates was an afterthought and as long as an issue doesn't tank the lead platforms framerate below the 30 fps target, it's not something that's going to get much attention.

That's a valid point I think as, although it auto detected my system for Ultra, it auto set FPS to 36 rather than 144.
 
Sounds to be completely designed around 30 fps with all of the typical hitches and stutters that cannot be brute forced in these cases because the PC version at higher framerates was an afterthought and as long as an issue doesn't tank the lead platforms framerate below the 30 fps target, it's not something that's going to get much attention.

This is exactly my fear at the moment. I had originally thought that MS had developed this game with PC in mind but it looks like development started much further back than MS's push for PC gaming.
 
Hmm.
i7 3770k 4.1ghz
GTX 1080
372.90 Driver
Win 10
16GB RAM
Installed on SSD
Auto detected Ultra preset, getting a really rough 40-60 or so FPS in the intro,turned things down to high, no real difference.
Then when it changed to the off road car, loads of stuttering.
I'll just play the Xbox One version for now.

That's disappointing to hear, but out of curiosity; wouldn't it be preferable to play at higher fidelity @ locked 30fps?
 

Buburibon

Member
Not if you're using recent hardware, at least. Runs like butter on my 6700k/1080.

I haven't had butter in forever, but I suppose you mean it's very smooth? Even in the more urban areas, i.e. Surfer's Paradise, etc? I find it extremely difficult to believe anyone is achieving a perfectly steady, vsynced 60+fps throughout the different areas in this game. "Runs like butter" is a pretty bold claim to make about FH3 on PC at this time. No offense. Then again, there's a possibility our standards for butter differ quite a bit. ;-)
 

Stevey

Member
That's disappointing to hear, but out of curiosity; wouldn't it be preferable to play at higher fidelity @ locked 30fps?

It's not locked though, it's a stuttery mess.
Where as the Demo on Xbox One was super smooth.
Uninstalled it for now, will keep my eye on this thread to see if it's worth reinstalling in the future.
 

Invis

Member
Are we supposed to be receiving achievements on the PC version? I've played for a few hours and should have gotten a few by now but I haven't.
 

Vitacat

Member
I haven't had butter in forever, but I suppose you mean it's very smooth? Even in the more urban areas, i.e. Surfer's Paradise, etc? I find it extremely difficult to believe anyone is achieving a perfectly steady, vsynced 60+fps throughout the different areas in this game. "Runs like butter" is a pretty bold claim to make about FH3 on PC at this time. No offense. Then again, there's a possibility our standards for butter differ quite a bit. ;-)

I haven't played too far into the game yet -- only have finished the buggy race to "Bust a move" so far. But yeah, it's been very smooth thus far for me.

I will add that I've only had this fancy new gaming PC for a few weeks, and for many years have been console only. So yeah, my standard may not be as high as yours. But I've had the FPS counter on and seemed like it stayed around 60 all the time and that's with no dynamic settings on, everything maxed on ultra settings.
 

Bubba77

Member
i7 6800, 2x gtx1080 in SLI. Game runs flawlessly at 1440p with unlocked framerate. Then again maybe gsync is doing some magic...
 

dcassell

Banned
So I have a 970 and an i5 4670K at 4.0GHz, and I just want to play this at similar fidelity to the Xbox One version: 30 fps lock, maybe medium settings, some AA on. Is that reasonable? I'll be playing this on a larger TV instead of my monitor, but I don't want to lay down $60 in a week and be disappointed. Maybe I'll just wait for the demo, but I was curious how this framerate smoother was doing for people with similar specs.
 
So I have a 970 and an i5 4670K at 4.0GHz, and I just want to play this at similar fidelity to the Xbox One version: 30 fps lock, maybe medium settings, some AA on. Is that reasonable? I'll be playing this on a larger TV instead of my monitor, but I don't want to lay down $60 in a week and be disappointed. Maybe I'll just wait for the demo, but I was curious how this framerate smoother was doing for people with similar specs.

With that rig you should expect 60 lock on high. Come on! Ridiculous to expect less. on 1080P at least.
 

dcassell

Banned
With that rig you should expect 60 lock on high. Come on! Ridiculous to expect less. on 1080P at least.

I've seen a ton of stuff in this thread of people reporting wayyyy lower framerates on a 1070, no less, when going into city environments. I would LOVE to expect 60, but people with higher specs than mine at 1080p don't seem to be happy, am I wrong?

EDIT: I think I read your post wrong, as you've had problems too. Yeah, I mean I expect 60 with this card, but considering I'm thinking about borrowing an Xbox One to play this, I'm trying to just weigh my options here. I'll probably wait this out for a patch if one comes out, but I'd really just like to experience a fun racing game again (which hasn't really happened for me in a while, personally)
 

Buburibon

Member
I haven't played too far into the game yet -- only have finished the buggy race to "Bust a move" so far. But yeah, it's been very smooth thus far for me.

I will add that I've only had this fancy new gaming PC for a few weeks, and for many years have been console only. So yeah, my standard may not be as high as yours. But I've had the FPS counter on and seemed like it stayed around 60 all the time and that's with no dynamic settings on, everything maxed on ultra settings.

That's fair, I too thought it ran pretty well during the first couple of races. Then I reached the city, and hit what seems to be some kind of bottleneck related to CPU utilization. In any case, thanks for clarifying it for us. I just want to make sure everyone is on the same page here so that developers know what the issues that must be addressed are. :)
 

Papacheeks

Banned
That's disappointing to hear, but out of curiosity; wouldn't it be preferable to play at higher fidelity @ locked 30fps?

why the fuck play it at 30fps when your GPU cost you 659.99? That's pure garbage especially it being a console developed game. Makes no sense especially with other somewhat recent driving games like project cars running 4k@60fps.

I understand this is open work style racing but seriously not having a card that came out couple months ago that currently makes most games at 4k or at least all at 1440p with some being 60fps is ridiculous.
 

Chris R

Member
Hmm.
i7 3770k 4.1ghz
GTX 1080
372.90 Driver
Win 10
16GB RAM
Installed on SSD
Auto detected Ultra preset, getting a really rough 40-60 or so FPS in the intro,turned things down to high, no real difference.
Then when it changed to the off road car, loads of stuttering.
I'll just play the Xbox One version for now.
Noooooooo

Not what I want to hear. I have that exact system (minus the CPU overclock)
 

Papacheeks

Banned
Anyway to get the Steam Overlay with this?

I'm not too sure for Windows store games but if the application exe is in the game folder usually under client so for Windows there may be a folder for store installed purchases. If there is then U can add it to non-steam game option under games on top left.
 

NIN90

Member
I wish I had scrounged up the extra $10 for the non-N variant of Windows 10.
Some games (like this one) require the Media Pack to even launch and it's such a pain in the dick to install because you actually need to find and download a specific installer in order for it to actually work.
Wouldn't be so bad if the last Windows update hadn't fucking erased the Media Pack for no goddamn reason.
 

LostDonkey

Member
Been out for a while. Any updates on the missing VIP content from the Ultimate edition for PC?

Pretty pissed off after paying 80 quid to not get what I paid for.

Also what the hell is up with the interior view on the Subaru Impreza 22b. It's just a black reflection of the dashboard. Can't see fuck all.
 
i5-3570K @ 4GHz (I know...)
GTX 1070 8GB
16GB RAM
Latest NVidia drivers
Installed on SSD.

Can get 60fps with settings on max with MSAA, but as per most people in this thread I get sudden hitches down to 45fps which then jumps straight back up to 60fps and it's really jarring. Hindering my enjoyment of the game right now. Just want a steady 60fps but can't seem to get it, even with lowering settings. And locked 30fps doesn't feel like 30fps for some reason, seems sluggish.

I've tried that 'prefer maximum performance' setting but it doesn't seem to improve it that much for me.
 
I know a few places reviewed the PC version of the title as well, and I don't remember any of them mentioning this frame rate stutter. DId they just not notice is (which seems unlikely) or did the reviewers review code differ from the release one?
 

Hawk269

Member
just saying what I have. I have not diasabled it. So however many cards its using it runs great!

Was just mentioning it doesn't. I have 2 Titan X Pascal and it only uses one card. I am getting decent performance at max settings/4k. Main issue is the slight stuttering that happens ever 10 seconds or so. It is very annoying. When I get drops it is not too much and not too noticeable unless near the big city where I can go from 60fps to about 45 and then back up to 60.
 

EvB

Member
I know a few places reviewed the PC version of the title as well, and I don't remember any of them mentioning this frame rate stutter. DId they just not notice is (which seems unlikely) or did the reviewers review code differ from the release one?

Maybe the reviewers simply didn't insist on turning everything up to the highest settings?
 
So over the last day I've battled with settings. Never getting rid of the stuttering despite high frame rates otherwise. But a stuttery 60fps on my PC is worse than the lovely smooth gameplay on my Xbox One version.

However in the last couple of hours I've hit on - at least until the game is hopefully fixed - a good IQ/framerate compromise.

i5 5470K
16GB
GTX 1070

Been messing with all kinds of settings. But tried locked 30fps, no-vsync, DR Ultra and 1440p. And this is the only setting so far that's been almost stutter free. Smooth as silk most of the time thanks to the motion blur. Obviously I'd prefer 60fps, but these settings are very playable. IQ is lovely at least - it's like playing a super version of the Xbox One game.
 

NIN90

Member
How do I change the language to English? The only language set on my PC is English (United States) yet the game insists on running in German (I'm located in Germany).
 

bodine1231

Member
According to this Ars Technica article the developers are aware of the hitching.

''A Microsoft Studios spokesperson confirmed that the specific hitching issue I noticed in some otherwise smooth scenarios has been replicated by the game's PC development team; "you can expect a game update to fix this issue in the near future," the representative told Ars. Those gains may not come from DirectX 12-related fixes, however, as the representative confirmed that this engine is already built on a DirectX 12 foundation.''
 
According to this Ars Technica article the developers are aware of the hitching.

''A Microsoft Studios spokesperson confirmed that the specific hitching issue I noticed in some otherwise smooth scenarios has been replicated by the game's PC development team; "you can expect a game update to fix this issue in the near future," the representative told Ars. Those gains may not come from DirectX 12-related fixes, however, as the representative confirmed that this engine is already built on a DirectX 12 foundation.''

That's good to know. Thanks for posting that.
 

robotrock

Banned
Seriously no way to mute this is there? I tried cranking all the volume sliders down but there's no 0 audio option.

Can't see anyway to mute this in the Windows control panel either
 
So over the last day I've battled with settings. Never getting rid of the stuttering despite high frame rates otherwise. But a stuttery 60fps on my PC is worse than the lovely smooth gameplay on my Xbox One version.

However in the last couple of hours I've hit on - at least until the game is hopefully fixed - a good IQ/framerate compromise.

i5 5470K
16GB
GTX 1070

Been messing with all kinds of settings. But tried locked 30fps, no-vsync, DR Ultra and 1440p. And this is the only setting so far that's been almost stutter free. Smooth as silk most of the time thanks to the motion blur. Obviously I'd prefer 60fps, but these settings are very playable. IQ is lovely at least - it's like playing a super version of the Xbox One game.

This works for me except the input lag is fucking terrible at 30fps, way worse than the Xbone verison.
 

Afro

Member
I know a few places reviewed the PC version of the title as well, and I don't remember any of them mentioning this frame rate stutter. DId they just not notice is (which seems unlikely) or did the reviewers review code differ from the release one?

Pretty sure some people just cannot perceive micro stutter. They're incapable. It's there, but they're just not sensitive to it. Kinda' like the people who can't tell the difference between 30 and 60fps, but to a lesser degree. I'm speaking in general, not just this game itself.
 

Stevey

Member
According to this Ars Technica article the developers are aware of the hitching.

''A Microsoft Studios spokesperson confirmed that the specific hitching issue I noticed in some otherwise smooth scenarios has been replicated by the game's PC development team; "you can expect a game update to fix this issue in the near future," the representative told Ars. Those gains may not come from DirectX 12-related fixes, however, as the representative confirmed that this engine is already built on a DirectX 12 foundation.''

Cool, hopefully it will get sorted soon.
 

Dubz

Member
Hmm.
i7 3770k 4.1ghz
GTX 1080
372.90 Driver
Win 10
16GB RAM
Installed on SSD
Auto detected Ultra preset, getting a really rough 40-60 or so FPS in the intro,turned things down to high, no real difference.
Then when it changed to the off road car, loads of stuttering.
I'll just play the Xbox One version for now.

Resolution?
 
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