It's because he's full of shit.
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Overwatch Mafia |OT| Keep Your Vote On The Payload
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It's because he's full of shit.
Very sorry wise and powerful Franconp, as of this moment most of my scum radars are gut reads and Ouro not playing town-friendly, which can also be an argument for neutral
How is trying to get a scum lynched not "town-friendly?"
AbsolutBro
Member
Haha In context to cabot's post it should be clear I meant "among the votes for Ynnek and myself".
If it's shit then clean it up. Don't let it keep falling down on your head while it's stuck in the sand
Working on it, but sadly I don't have an override.
Does no one truly find it odd Ouro doesn't try and refute me but just points and yells scum? We can do better Ouro. Together, let's make Overwatch Mafia great again!
WhereAreMahDragonz
Banned
There's nothing to refute. It's all fantasy scenarios crafted by scum trying to turn it around.
That's a choice I couldn't make. I had null reads on Ynnek & AB, and I didn't think Mazre was scum either.
If you want to rally people to vote ouro you have to gives us something. Gut feelings won't cut as they are yours only. You just need to tell me why. You didn't. Instead asked ouro if he was scum, what did you expected with that? Come on!!!
If you make a compeling argumemt of why ouro is scum I will be interested.
Pd: Also try to cut the passive agressive answer. It doesn't help to prove your point.
Uh, people have been saying this but I don't think I'm particularly snarky? Anything else is out of my comfort zone
I've outlined my reasoning for Verelios being scum, and it's sound. He doesn't have anything on me, he's just trying to wriggle out of it.
Anyone want to take me up on my offer? Vote Verelios today, then me tomorrow if you like. Either you get 1 town and 1 scum, or 2 scum, if you think I am bussing. A win-win for town.
At this point I'm pretty deflated. I outlined my reasoning with Ouro's 'breadcrumbing', penchant for thunder domes and his action of deflecting attention away by being aggressive. What exactly else do you guys want me to prove? That's enough for me to scum read him.
I'm just comparing you to our last game and it feels like your arguments aren't as strong and as fran noted, you feel really passive aggressive. I'm not certain that's a scum tell, however... but it's certainly giving me a weird feeling.
Passive agressive? It's all in good fun, or at least that's how I enjoy myself. It's very dreary being chaste and bleak for every post.
"Not I," said the fly.
He did what scum does on D1 - find a hole and go after it. He was doing absolutely no scum-hunting before then, not even asking questions or anything innocuous.
Okay so, ignoring the Verelious/Ourobob schism going on for a minute...
Reasonings behind Ynnek7 votes:
Basically "you wanted no lynch, which is scummy"? It's a solid enough reasoning in D1, I'm not a fan of no lynching myself.
This vote was put at a time when there was 0 votes on Ynnek.
This vote feels little lazy, although I can see the argument that it was similar to the game where Ynnek was a neutral. At the time of this vote there wasn't still much traction on Ynnek.
---- At this time Melon mentions that she agrees with nin's sentiment. There are ties, and ties are broken with some votes. ----
This vote feels just lazy, the only reason for this seems to be "let's stirr some shit up". AB trying to start an Ynnek train without being explicit about it?
----In the vote count on Page 22, Mazre and AB are frontrunners at 4 votes, Ezekel and Ynnek follow with 3 votes. There is one hour left in the day during this count---
This vote reads little off. Did Verelious remember Ynnek only due to Nin's vote? Or was there other posts to back this up too? It's also interesting how basically Verelious is giving himself a backdoor to exit the Ynnek vote to an Ourobolus one.
---At the end of page 22, Verelious' vote has put a tie between three players. Sophia comes in with this vote---
This is a pretty standard vote to break off a tie, I guess. But I do want to hear again why Sophia decided on Ynnek instead of other tie-people.
---Sorian posts a votecount on Page 23. Ynnek is now in the lead with 6 votes, but AB is close behind with 5, one of them a vote from Ynnek---
This is a vote with no justification other than "no sheaningans". Did Xam even mention Ynnek in his posts... ever? I have to reread his posts, luckily there aren't that many of them with much content
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Reasonings behind Ynnek7 votes:
Basically "you wanted no lynch, which is scummy"? It's a solid enough reasoning in D1, I'm not a fan of no lynching myself.
This vote was put at a time when there was 0 votes on Ynnek.
This vote feels little lazy, although I can see the argument that it was similar to the game where Ynnek was a neutral. At the time of this vote there wasn't still much traction on Ynnek.
---- At this time Melon mentions that she agrees with nin's sentiment. There are ties, and ties are broken with some votes. ----
This vote feels just lazy, the only reason for this seems to be "let's stirr some shit up". AB trying to start an Ynnek train without being explicit about it?
----In the vote count on Page 22, Mazre and AB are frontrunners at 4 votes, Ezekel and Ynnek follow with 3 votes. There is one hour left in the day during this count---
This vote reads little off. Did Verelious remember Ynnek only due to Nin's vote? Or was there other posts to back this up too? It's also interesting how basically Verelious is giving himself a backdoor to exit the Ynnek vote to an Ourobolus one.
---At the end of page 22, Verelious' vote has put a tie between three players. Sophia comes in with this vote---
This is a pretty standard vote to break off a tie, I guess. But I do want to hear again why Sophia decided on Ynnek instead of other tie-people.
---Sorian posts a votecount on Page 23. Ynnek is now in the lead with 6 votes, but AB is close behind with 5, one of them a vote from Ynnek---
This is a vote with no justification other than "no sheaningans". Did Xam even mention Ynnek in his posts... ever? I have to reread his posts, luckily there aren't that many of them with much content
.You know what? I'll take your word for it.
VOTE: Verelios
I wanna just warn you right now though. If Vere is lynched and it turns out he's town, you are immediately on the top of my list of scum reads. And I assume a lot of other player's as well.
That's perfectly fine by me.
Why would scum try to Night Kill someone who was almost lynched yesterday? I can't see the point in that.
My concern with Ouro right now is that he reminds me of me in WWE, where I tunneled on Scrafty... like real hard. I was town there, so I wouldn't be surprised if this is a town vs town scenario.
I do agree with Sophia that I don't like Verelious' snarky tone right now. Something is off about it.
I do agree with Sophia that I don't like Verelious' snarky tone right now. Something is off about it.
I'm tunneling here, sure, but I have good reason. I did the same thing to Scrafty on D1 of GAFia 1 and she was scum. D2 of that game I did the same thing, and while Retro wasn't scum, he was an SK.
I had less of a scum read (or read in general) on Mazre, and AB was answering questions and stuff.
Also, worth pointing out that when I asked Melon if she was jumping on the AB train, she replied as follows
Yet didn't move her vote. Not sure how to take it, but something to consider for the record.
So why haven't you voted for him? Hesitation?
Because it seems no one sees what I do, that's what's so frustrating
I'll put my first vote of the day here:
VOTE: AbsolutBro
He got more pro-active in terms of posting his own reads at the end-tail of D1, but on the other hand, he had that weird "time to stirr shit up!" vote for Ynnek, and today's "I must have been targeted" just felt off to me. This is the early-day though.
VOTE: AbsolutBro
He got more pro-active in terms of posting his own reads at the end-tail of D1, but on the other hand, he had that weird "time to stirr shit up!" vote for Ynnek, and today's "I must have been targeted" just felt off to me. This is the early-day though.
That doesn't stop you voting for Ouro, though? It's not like the day ends the moment you do. Just seems little weird how you advertised the idea of Scum Ouro to us in D1 and now today, yet you have never voted for him during this game.
He tried late in D1 when I was on my flight.
He never commited to it, though. Saying "please vote for ouro plz" is not the same as putting a vote on you.
To note, I don't really think is a scum-tell, but it is somewhat weird.
Okay. A little weak reasoning, but I guess I can see it.
I'm hoping for Mazre and Haly to step up today. Haly has been a non-entity after the mass-claim idea, and Mazre has just been a puff of smoke.
Yeah, I admit it's weak, unfortunately.
Besides Mazre and Haly, I'd like to hear more from Cabot and did like how he stepped it up today with the questions. Kind of waiting to have a long convo with him, actually.
Danish pop gig is over. Time to mafia.
We're in a game full Of PRs. Do you honestly think Scum would go for the high profile players when everyone has a role?
Seems like a bad play to Me on night one...
We're in a game full Of PRs. Do you honestly think Scum would go for the high profile players when everyone has a role?
Seems like a bad play to Me on night one...
I really think that a couple of scum voted for Ynnek the last day. Ynnek was relitive safe being low profile but a couple of hours before deadline he got several votes. I want to hear from Absolutbro and Xam why they voted for ynnek because they didn't give one the last day. They just voted.
Also I'm not too sure about Bronx. He wanted a no lynch (that's a no) and didn't vote (another no)
Also I'm not too sure about Bronx. He wanted a no lynch (that's a no) and didn't vote (another no)
AbsolutBro
Member
Holy crap GAF is slow.
I admit, the Ouro / Vere feud going on sort of counters my logic somewhat, but they could not have known it would explode so early in the day.
In a game where literally everyone is a PR, you are actually asking this question. Amazing. Also sketchy.
I am reasonably sure I outlined my logic in my post. It is a strategy I have seen discussed in Gafia threads: when you have a close vote between two town players, usually the person who did not get lynched is the focus of discussion the next day. By night killing that person, you leave town with far less to discuss and conversation stagnates. Were GAF not pretty much crapping itself right now, I would search for the posts.
I admit, the Ouro / Vere feud going on sort of counters my logic somewhat, but they could not have known it would explode so early in the day.
Along these lines, if I was so close to being lynched, it would be a safe bet that any protective PR would probably target someone else. After all, plenty of people were convinced I was scum right? Enough that I was #2 on the chopping block at least.
AbsolutBro
Member
Few situations help so voting patterns like a tied vote. Likely one or all of the tied players wpuld end up dead at some point. When that happens you can be sure of their alignments and examine who voted for whom.
Also seriously. I am typing this on my phone and my pc is still showing my last reply screen.
Sure, it helps to look at voting patterns... but your vote still looks like there was no good reasoning behind it. Did you even mention ynnek before on your posts? You could even make the argument later that your vote on ynnek is not indicative of voting patterns, since it was just "stirring shit up" thing.
Also, a question. Your thoughts on Verelious?
GAFia scum tend to take out conversation talkers as much as they do low end people. And regardless if the game is full of power roles, that doesn't necessarily mean they have any more knowledge of where the valuable ones are over the lesser ones.
I'm just not sure why anyone would be assuming where they're shooting now, especially when we didn't have a death. : \
I slept through the end of the last day. I'm more used to these phases ending at 5PM EST.
Anyway Ynnnek? Not expected at all. I'll have to go through the prior pages when GAF isn't being a piece of shit.
Vote: Mazre
Anyway Ynnnek? Not expected at all. I'll have to go through the prior pages when GAF isn't being a piece of shit.
Vote: Mazre
EzekelRAGE
Member
Ok, had to prepare this post on sticky since gaf has been messing up. I will miss some stuff, was trying to go back and look over some posts but that is a hellish task atm.
Ouro vs Vere: Ver seems overly defensive in his replies about Ouro, but the only thing ouro seems to have is trying to lynch him when he wasn't there. I need to go over the posts to see how it went down.
I'll be back on gaf at around midnight to see if things are any clear for goin thru posts
Ouro vs Vere: Ver seems overly defensive in his replies about Ouro, but the only thing ouro seems to have is trying to lynch him when he wasn't there. I need to go over the posts to see how it went down.
I'll be back on gaf at around midnight to see if things are any clear for goin thru posts