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Xbox One wins 3 consecutive months in NPD for the first time, #1 UK, up YoY
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I'm not stating anything as fact, I'm just paraphrasing what someone said.
Personally, I see the UHD player making up a lot of sales just for being the cheapest 4K player which can be sold and bundled nicely with a new TV.
Primethius
Banned
This is what he posted:
I'm confused. That pretty much says the same thing as Elandyll but not as in depth. UHD was a factor for the success of XB1 but not the reason it won.
Yeah, you're right. I'm just being arsey.
Id say it was probably the biggest factor, as said above but nether the less, it's good to see a healthy console market.
CosmicQueso
Member
This is great.
So much conversation in sales threads is derailed by someone posting "thing sold well because of X" which is interpreted by others as "the ONLY reason thing sold well is because of X".
Too often we argue points of absolutes, when in reality everything is not in absolutes.
not really that surprising especially with the pro coming out in a couple of months
there are more reasons for an xb1 owner to get an xb1 s than there is for a ps4 owner to get the slim
xb1 s is smaller and better looking than the big bulky xb1 and it also has integrated power supply
slight power boost with hdr capabilities
uhd player (honestly don't think the physical player was as big a factor as some are making it out to be but it probably sold to the ones that already owned 4k tv's and are in the xbox ecosystem)
absolutely no reason for an existing ps4 owner to pick up a slim besides maybe a wifi boost. hdr is available for exisiting ps4 owners as well.
pro is coming out in less than 2 months so people looking to pick up a ps4 this year will just get the slightly more expensive version and existing ps4 owners have a reason to upgrade with the pro.
now people can ask why sony released a slim. it is probably much cheaper to produce than the og ps4 and they make more money and price conscious people will just just pick up the cheaper ps4 during black friday.
there are more reasons for an xb1 owner to get an xb1 s than there is for a ps4 owner to get the slim
xb1 s is smaller and better looking than the big bulky xb1 and it also has integrated power supply
slight power boost with hdr capabilities
uhd player (honestly don't think the physical player was as big a factor as some are making it out to be but it probably sold to the ones that already owned 4k tv's and are in the xbox ecosystem)
absolutely no reason for an existing ps4 owner to pick up a slim besides maybe a wifi boost. hdr is available for exisiting ps4 owners as well.
pro is coming out in less than 2 months so people looking to pick up a ps4 this year will just get the slightly more expensive version and existing ps4 owners have a reason to upgrade with the pro.
now people can ask why sony released a slim. it is probably much cheaper to produce than the og ps4 and they make more money and price conscious people will just just pick up the cheaper ps4 during black friday.
Didn't it look like PS4 won in Sept also though?
That1BlackGuy
Member
We fucking did it Microsoft!
Well deserved sales for the Microsoft camp, they've worked their asses off to repair the image of the console. You put out a great product you get rewarded for it.
DigitalScrap
Member
I get the feeling that a lot of these X1 S sales are to people who are more "walk into a store and pick one up" than people who do most of their shopping online.
I overheard a Best Buy salesperson recommend an X1 S as a UHD player to someone who was apparently buying a 4K TV, so I'm thinking a lot of the sales are happening in brick and mortar stores.
It also doesn't hurt that when you go to Best Buy's site and look at 4K UHD players, the Xbox One S is all over the place there. When you go to that category, the various Xbox One S SKUs are there 8 times, and there are only 11 offerings that come up - It's all Xbox One S, along with one Samsung, one Philips, and one Panasonic offering.
Obliterator
Member
Yeah Amazon had PS4 winning in September which didn't end up being accurate. Not saying that Xbox will take October but Amazon ranking isn't definitive
VincentMatts
Member
The reason i jumped in was because of the 4K drive. Just 4k support, i probably wouldnt have. So i sold my xbox 350$ and bought the gears one. Do not regret it one bit.
LordBaztion
Member
this time the X1 is barely hitting the top 100 for, at least, this week.
Omnistalgic
Member
Both should do pretty well this year, consoles for $250 and below are good gifts.
I think it'll be close the rest of the year and the only month there will be a significant gap is November when some of the current PS4 owners upgrade to Pro.
MS may take October as well, but should be another close one.
I think it'll be close the rest of the year and the only month there will be a significant gap is November when some of the current PS4 owners upgrade to Pro.
MS may take October as well, but should be another close one.
Omnistalgic
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These threads are always about U.S , which is still the biggest market I believe.
MS slowly closing the gap, but not by much, in the U.S it's over a million, and I think they shaved off 150k with last few months. Holiday season should be fairly even unless Sony doesn't budge on price cuts and deals. And then it might be dry again for MS for a while come January, that's been the trend almost since launch. MS does well in Q3 and amazing in Q4, and then almost horrible in Q1 & Q2. The cycle will just continue if they don't reverse the trend somehow.
Correct. The relative US Amazon rankings did not not correctly pick the winner for September.
I believe this is only the third time this has happened this generation.
FinaruDensetsu
Member
Cause they want profit over units sold. I think gone are the days when Sony sells hardware at cost or at a loss.
VincentMatts
Member
Honestly to me, all this does is give me hope for the future of xbox. I couldnt care less whos leading who anymore. The first console design to come from this new administration is a great one. They made the right decisions. Plus the AAA games like gears4 and FH3 have been wonderful.
It gives me hope for xbox, Scorpio and the future. They have the right people running the division is what i take from this.
It gives me hope for xbox, Scorpio and the future. They have the right people running the division is what i take from this.
There has never been a shred of evidence to support the Sony Too garbage that was put out there by Microsoft's friends in the gaming media.
Bitch Pudding
Member
First they have to get rid of the OG PS4's. Maybe they should have started that firesale a little bit earlier, like MS did.
Not to me
Phil's first real console, it's gaining mindshare with gamers, which translates into expectation and excitement for his Scorpio project. If they keep it up, they'll be a strong position for Scorpio release.
VincentMatts
Member
this guy gets it
Panajev2001a
GAF's Pleasant Genius
It is the market where most posters are probably from and yes the single biggest market, but worldwide even losing it and the U.K. still allowed Sony to outsell MS, but yes not dominate unless they made gains in those two markets.
Anyways, we will see what happens... Sony made a financially sound move for today, but this is leaving an opening for MS to disrupt the game and so far they are starting to take it.
Obliterator
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And interestingly enough I think it's been every time it was wrong was an Xbox month. I guess just Amazon draws a slightly higher percentage of Playstation sales than retail
When it has happened, if memory serves, it was also due to specific stores running very agressive deals (Gamestop trade in, Target price/ giftcard, BB with TV, etc) and/or Amazon running out of stock on a popular sku which then would skew the rankings in favor of a PS4 sku.
Didn't Amazon run out of the XB1 slim for a while in September?
Oh come on now.
And to me proof of this is how after the policy reversals MS made with the XBO its still left overs from their orig policies affecting the XBO as a whole.
Just the way both consoles handle being online/offline with games and OS updates should tell anyone Sony didnt do any last minute changes to the PS4. They may have thought about doing it at one time but MS actually did it.
Norse
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Its hard to be #1 seller on amazon when you have a shit ton of different SKU #'s
Any way, ms should replace all kiosk xbones with an s model so people can get a good look at it. Its too pretty to be boxed up lol.
NPD doesn't care about worldwide #'s...this is the battle for America's gaming dollar. And its damn close here. Which is great for all of us here.
1 million gap between(est) a combine 30-40 million consoles is nothing. Hell, even 5 million gap is still close enough when there are that many sold consoles out there. Healthy markets for both.
Oh, ms should also mention the ir blaster in the s model. Its amazing how just pressing 1 controller button turns on/off the Xbox,TV,cable box, sound bar, etc. Its frickin awesome!
Any way, ms should replace all kiosk xbones with an s model so people can get a good look at it. Its too pretty to be boxed up lol.
NPD doesn't care about worldwide #'s...this is the battle for America's gaming dollar. And its damn close here. Which is great for all of us here.
1 million gap between(est) a combine 30-40 million consoles is nothing. Hell, even 5 million gap is still close enough when there are that many sold consoles out there. Healthy markets for both.
Oh, ms should also mention the ir blaster in the s model. Its amazing how just pressing 1 controller button turns on/off the Xbox,TV,cable box, sound bar, etc. Its frickin awesome!
Go on. He calls the shots, he signs off the specs and steers the business. Any success or failure is on him. He said HE decided not to launch Scorpio this year, he wanted a significant jump, what's wrong with attributing critical decisions that make up the product to Phil? If you mean its not one man and involves a collection of bright individuals that would be true, but they're under his leadership and guidance, I don't think it's unreasonable to owe all that to him.
wapplew
Member
I think Xbox will have the rest of 2016 at NPD.
Pro might be a factor in Nov but I can see MS get even more agressive with price and bundle, it go so low make you think it's a crime not to buy it.
And MS always did well in BF and Christmas.
I see no sign of Sony want to go for that price war, maybe they can't afford to.
Pro might be a factor in Nov but I can see MS get even more agressive with price and bundle, it go so low make you think it's a crime not to buy it.
And MS always did well in BF and Christmas.
I see no sign of Sony want to go for that price war, maybe they can't afford to.
Fabtacular
Member
Here's the thing about UHD Blu-Ray on the One S:
When I came back from China I wanted to get a console and had to choose between the 360 and the PS3.
I ended up going for the PS3 because of the Blu-Ray player. Not because what I wanted was a Blue-Ray player to go with my new plasma TV, and the PS3 was the best and cheapest one out there. But the presence of the Blu-Ray player made the purchase easier to justify to myself and my wife.
I imagine this is happening a lot with the One S. 4K sets are becoming increasingly mainstream as they approach HD sets in price. And there are probably many lapsed gamers and parents with kids who want to game and PlayStation owners who buy a 4K TV and who might not have the appetite to drop $3-400 on either and Xbox or a UHD BR player, but for whom the combined value proposition justifies the purchase.
When I came back from China I wanted to get a console and had to choose between the 360 and the PS3.
I ended up going for the PS3 because of the Blu-Ray player. Not because what I wanted was a Blue-Ray player to go with my new plasma TV, and the PS3 was the best and cheapest one out there. But the presence of the Blu-Ray player made the purchase easier to justify to myself and my wife.
I imagine this is happening a lot with the One S. 4K sets are becoming increasingly mainstream as they approach HD sets in price. And there are probably many lapsed gamers and parents with kids who want to game and PlayStation owners who buy a 4K TV and who might not have the appetite to drop $3-400 on either and Xbox or a UHD BR player, but for whom the combined value proposition justifies the purchase.
Norse
Member
I agree. Next Xmas is going to be a great time to be a gamer. Psvr, nx, and Scorpio all taking our hard earned cash lol
VincentMatts
Member
Regardless, youre saying what im saying is that this administration is doing a great job compared to who was there for launch.
And yes, i agree. The decisions he is making is affecting the platform positively. Just like the decision to make TV and multimedia a focus at launch was Mattricks decision and focus.
Again, no. The marketing deals are way too important and massive as this is even close to be realistic.
TheLostBigBoss
Banned
I think you should hold reservations till the pro launches before you count that egg as hatched
We already had this in this thread - nobody cares for attach rates as you still make more money than without the addition of uhd playback.
And unless data is given, I don't expect many to not buy a single game which adds to profit again.
RetroPlayer
Banned
Between Horizon 3 and Gears 4, the xbone has two of the best games this gen, so far.
The S is a sweet deal, but those two games are superb and will sell the S this Christmas.
The S is a sweet deal, but those two games are superb and will sell the S this Christmas.
Welfare
Member
All three 8th gen systems are down YoY. We don't know by how much though since we won't get numbers until later.
As of August though:
2015
PS4: 1,976,700
XB1: 1,665,200
WIU: 484,000
2016
PS4: 1,902,800 [-4%]
XB1: 1,554,200 [-7%]
WIU: 315,500 [-35%]
That's me! I've had a 4KTV for two years but not made much use of it. I hated the Xbox One when revealed (and disliked the 360) but did wonder about buying an XB1 on the cheap one day for the Forza games. Once the One S came out and was cheap as, and had a UHD Bluray drive in - something I wanted anyway - it was an easy decision.
Panajev2001a
GAF's Pleasant Genius
Everyone doing well when they all deserve it is good for us, but the concept of people voting with their wallet would be that products which are not appealing to consumers (wrong target or seen as anti consumers or other reasons) do not sell and that everyone would not be doing well...
I don't suppose there's a monthly breakdown?