ayye good find.
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Nintendo Switch: Powered by Custom Nvidia Tegra Chip (Official)
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ayye good find.
Principate
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I wouldn't be surprised in the NX ended up using something similar, largely due to the reduction in power consumption if nothing else.
true, as far as hardware goes, i wouldn't be surprised to see Tegra X2 + 8GB of RAM and 64GB of flash. I also wouldn't be surprised to see 4GB of RAM and 32GB of flash, but we'll see. I'm hoping Nintendo didn't go with X1 as that would be on 28nm which generates more heat, uses more power, and is less powerful/watt than X2.
Besides losing the 3DS contract over Tegra 2, many years earlier Nvidia also lost a Sega contract during late 95 / early 96 for a chip that never even worked, the NV2, which Sega was considering for a new console. Nvidia insisted on using the unusual quadratic forward texture mapping technology but Sega insisted standard triangles were much better for 3D graphics.
Full story here: https://web.archive.org/web/20040803203641/http://www.firingsquad.com/features/nv2/
Just a quick correction, the TX1 is on 20nm, but your point still stands.
This, yes, point still stands.
We do see some kind of air vent on the top of the switch. But I also hope for something pascal based.
Yeah, 8GB of RAM doesn't sound like Nintendo. But on the other hand using Pascal based Tegra didn't sound like Nintendo either in the first place and all the info available so far points at it. But I don't want to get my hopes up, that config would be too good.
We don't have the oficial specs, stop spreading misinformation again.
4GB RAM would ensure the death of third party support.
So I fully expect Nintendo to go that way
Skittzo0413
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The optimist's way of looking at that is they're running the Pascal GPU over 1GHz when docked, which requires a fan only when docked.
ah, yes you're right, thanks for the correction.
Robottiimu2000
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That's the one place that I would think does sound like Nintendo. The one thing Nintendo consistently goes above and beyond is for RAM, even while they were still in their Wii Philosophy. The Wii U for example had 2GB of RAM and 32MB of EDRAM, a huge jump from the 360's 512MB.
This is a really interesting find but are we assuming a dev somehow uploaded this? Or maybe Nvidia doing some testing with the chip?
Who else would be using Tegra Parkers that would upload to this database?
I know this is off topic, but what is Oculus Dawn at the bottom of the image?
JoshuaJSlone
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We don't, but we can probably take the word of people who have been right about the rest of the system.
I remember hearing they were starting work on a self-contained unit. Didn't pay enough attention to hear its code name, could that be it?Tsosie said:
UnemployedVillain
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Who've said the CPU is better? Are people here really defending the Jaguar in the PS4 and XBO?
Keep in mind MGR and RE5 were both outsourced ports running on propietary middleware that had to run under Android and DF's tests were using the Shield console.
Only the ignorant.
Schnozberry
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Parker is being used in the automotive industry, so it could have been Nvidia doing testing for some of their other business ventures.
Amazing
LordOfChaos
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A cryptic Nvidia Tegra device was recently uploaded to the GFX bench database!
And is significantly faster than the iPad Pro! Could this be the NX?
Source.
Nvidia gave the FCC a Shield Tablet running probably the X2 for clearance, and then withdrew the submission citing "market pressures" or something.
The above could be that never released device, I bet Nintendo didn't want something so similar on the market, while Nvidia was happy to have more Tegras moved with Nintendo.
http://www.androidpolice.com/2016/05/12/new-nvidia-shield-tablet-pops-up-at-the-fcc/
http://www.androidpolice.com/2016/08/11/rumored-follow-nvidia-shield-tablet-k1-cancelled/
Those same sources have also said xb1 ports should be feasible
I still don't understand why you (and other people) associate any particular performance level with "Pascal-based". Something Pascal-based could be just as fast as X1. Hell, it could be slower!
The microarchitecture is just one facet determining the final performance, and given the relatively small changes between Maxwellv2 and Pascal, not even a particularly important one.
If those numbers are for a real handheld (a tablet device) and not a dev board or a car chip, then they are even more impressive.
So we're assuming the top line is Switch?
So can be both ways.
I was not associating Pascal to the performance in that specific post. Maybe I wasn't very clear.
Historically Nintendo didn't pick the very latest architecture as a basis for their custom chips. At least not in recent times.
The hopes were related to the 8GB part.
This is what I was trying to say.
Well, Tegra Pascal is (reportedly) more power efficient than the TX1, so is reasonable to conclude that, for the same power envelope, a Parker-based NS can be more powerful than a TX1 one. At least, that is how I believe is the case.
Durante knows much (much) more than me on the topic.
Looks like it is a Tegra Parker device. Whenever that is representative of NS performance is unknown.
Nice. And that's with OpenGL + Android, NS should have a huge advantage over that with proprietary API (probably Vulkan equivalent) and console OS made ad hoc.
EDIT: a bit off topic but why is the iPad Pro 9.7 slower than the regular size iPad Pro? Is the A9X downlocked in it?
JoshuaJSlone
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Fair enough, not all parts are necessarily worse. But Emily's exact words are "Below PS4 and XB1 in raw power." I imagine whatever the CPU can best be put towards will be more obvious in exclusives than multiplatforms.
LordOfChaos
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For sure. Possibly an update to this alternatively, which did have a fan (maybe like the Switch...Still want to know *where* the fan is)
They'd have to customize a Pascal SMX to make it as weak as the Wii U...It's always possible they Nintendo'ed it, but I think the Wii U is an absolute minimum baseline realistically. Best guess is probably a few times a Wii U.
The Wii U was 176Gflops. 5x as a minimum on the other hand sounds overly optimistic, for a minimum.
Though of course that's just Gflops which are a paper calculation of clock speed, core count, and operations per core per clock, Pascal is radically more efficient than the Radeon HD 4000 series based Wii U.
GhostTrick
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Minimum ~5x the power. Max ~7.5x
100Gflop WiiU vs 512Gflop base X1 or 750Gflop Base Parker there's of course a margin for error here (up or down).
Dark Cloud
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Wii U is 175Gflops, don't undersell it.
Yes. Too keep up with the battery life and the lower heat-dissipation surface.
PeterLegend
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For something that size i cant see it being comparable with an xbox one.
I'd guess something along the lines of better than a wii u but not by much
I'd guess something along the lines of better than a wii u but not by much
I still wouldnt put it past Nintendo to capture the footage running on handheld mode, for the HH shots and capture different footage for console mode. Even if they are being comped in later.
Usually nintendo is pretty honest with game footage/captures.
We wont know until we know, but I dont think it is a stretch to think that some games might take a hit in performance in HH mode.
For those too lazy to do the maths, that chart give us 750 Gflops of performance that were touted for the new Parker chip, so i guess that's actually the new Parker chip. If that's used for the Switch that's a beast, but i don't think it will be, or if it will, it will be underclocked a bit compared to the standard chipset (15W of TDP in a tablet form factor is a bit much).
th3sicknness
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Altho the timing is perfect for a Parker based Switch..I highly doubt Nintendo went with a custom made chip of the newest architecture that would cost tons of money.
What is more likely is that they modified the older Maxwell X1 architecture.
Nintendo has never really choose to go cutting edge with exception to the gamecube and even then they went with tiny discs...
For the record the Wii U is 45nm, Tegra K1 28nm ( 8 watt power consumption), Tegra X1 20nm (roughly 10 watt power consumption and 15 TDP), and Parker is 16nm..
What is more likely is that they modified the older Maxwell X1 architecture.
Nintendo has never really choose to go cutting edge with exception to the gamecube and even then they went with tiny discs...
For the record the Wii U is 45nm, Tegra K1 28nm ( 8 watt power consumption), Tegra X1 20nm (roughly 10 watt power consumption and 15 TDP), and Parker is 16nm..
AtomicShroom
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According to this leak, it's 4GB when in portable mode, 6GB when docked. This suggests that the dock has 2GB of additionnal RAM in it:
Schnozberry
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According to this leak, it's 4GB when in portable mode, 6GB when docked. This suggests that the dock has 2GB of additionnal RAM in it:
That's not a leak. It's completely fabricated based on rumors.
Schnozberry
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15W isn't totally unreasonable for when the system is docked. But it's completely unreasonable for when it's portable.
AtomicShroom
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Source?
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