Yea but it's just streching the 1440P image into 4K without using any of the advanced techniques that some other developers are doing, DF describing U4's image as softer than other titles who are using proper upscale and that's disappointing and not the kimd of support I'm expecting to see.
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Digital Foundry: PlayStation 4 Pro Review: The First 4K Games Console?
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Yea but it's just streching the 1440P image into 4K without using any of the advanced techniques that some other developers are doing, DF describing U4's image as softer than other titles who are using proper upscale and that's disappointing and not the kimd of support I'm expecting to see.
GlamFM
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My first impression is that supersampeled at 1080 might actually be better than upscaled to 4k.
At least in some cases.
Lister
Banned
You'll get steadier frame rates and better IQ. Much better in some cases.
Is that worth $400 to you?
If it's worth somehtig less than that to you, no reaosn why you have to go out and by now. Wait till next year sometime, when it's cheaper. You cna bet your ass it'll see a discount when Scorpio hits.
I'm sure they're working on it, but time and manpower is finite.
JetBlackPanda
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I agree with this. At least at launch (unless you have PSVR) if a bunch of games start coming out with 1080p modes by all means upgrade but right now it would just be a refresh with a little better cooling and a bigger HD.
Edit: FYI I'm a 1080p Tv guy and I'm buying one!
If you have a 4K TV it's a no brainer.
Do you want a better IQ a slighty better performance / details ( this will be up to the devs)?
Yes : buy it
No : Don't
It's a LOT harder to do 1080p 60fps than 1440p 30fps, FWIW. Also, as others state: it's likely CPU limited, but even if it wasn't it still wouldn't be necessarily possible.
I wish Destiny was getting the Pro treatment
Destiny 1, probably not.
Destiny 2: very likely given all the Sony exclusives and such.
that's why i said people would probably be better off with a 1080p TV with pro more than a 4K television initially
i was going to trade in or sell my old one so wouldnt be full 400. i own tf2, cod iw, bf1 and plan to buy ffxv to list a few.
AbandonedTrolley
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Yeah I really expected Naughty Dog to be all in on the checkerboard method, 1440 seems a little disappointing but not seen it for myself yet.
JetBlackPanda
Member
It's crazy bungie isn't going to do anything? At least a resolution bump would be nice.
gundamkyoukai
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It will depend on what you care about .
If you don't own a PS4 it's the only choice , same if you have a 4k tv .
If you do own one , how much do you care about IQ , Res ,frame rate , effect etc etc .
Is what it going to come down to .
As times go on you should also expect devs to start using the power more.
Badlucktroll
Member
Is the Fallout 4 checkerboard mode going to be available at ps4 pro's launch?
I think the fact that consumers have to wait until developers to start supporting it properly will wind up being the downfall of iterative consoles. With a GPU upgrade on PC the benefits happen immediately for all the games in your library. Developers having to get familiar with new hardware twice in one console generation just seems counterproductive.
No matter what the reviews said, there was always going to be disappointment and negativity. Gamers and people in general spend more time finding fault in things than praising what they do well.
Bear in mind the cost of this device and how much power has been crammed in. I game at 1440P on my PC monitor and it looks stunning, a huge upgrade on 1080P. My 980ti will even struggle with a few games at this resolution, albeit pushing closer to 60fps.
This isn't a new console, it's an extra option for those that can afford it. We all have a choice!
Bear in mind the cost of this device and how much power has been crammed in. I game at 1440P on my PC monitor and it looks stunning, a huge upgrade on 1080P. My 980ti will even struggle with a few games at this resolution, albeit pushing closer to 60fps.
This isn't a new console, it's an extra option for those that can afford it. We all have a choice!
Lister
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Yeah there's deifnitely a balance here. If you care a LOT about IQ and performance, then a PC might be a better road to embark on. If you've already got a PC, a GPU upgrae will also satisfy that a lot better thana PS4 Pro ever could.
On the other hand if youa re a consoel only gamer, you've probably gotten along ifne with the base PS4 model, and putting tha tmoney towards games might be a better plan for now.
On the other hand if youa re a consoel only gamer, you've probably gotten along ifne with the base PS4 model, and putting tha tmoney towards games might be a better plan for now.
I am okay with that,i tried playing uncharted 4 in 4k awhile back and the motion blur made it unplayable for me
EDIT: I don't remember there being an option, i played it near launch so i don't remember if it had one.
I am okay with that,i tried playing uncharted 4 in 4k awhile back and the motion blur made it unplayable for me
There is an option to disable the effect completely no?
This is what i want to hear. Hopefully the urge to shell out for a 4K TV in the near future will be killed off. I really want to wait until OLED has figured out the input lag issues.
GinoFelino
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I'm not about to downplay the improvements at 1080p, but I think you're downplaying the improvements to clarity and sharpness at 4K...
If all the Kotaku/Schreier/Shinobi posts are to be believed the current game is being maintained by the live team, and we shouldnt expect too much regarding new content or features. Basically the most of Bungie is working on D2. But you never know..
I'm pretty sure that -if- Destiny 2 gets solid PS4 Pro support it will shift quite some numbers
Confused Cheeseburger
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Disappointed that we still aren't seeing more side by side comparisons. Guess we'll have to wait a little more.
nelsonroyale
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Seems to deliver what I expected. Fine, this never looked like a new gen console to me. More like what the traditional PC experience delivered relative to consoles. The Scorpio will be the same...just with a bit more grunt.
Crimson_Gold
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If all the Kotaku/Schreier/Shinobi posts are to be believed the current game is being maintained by the live team, and we shouldnt expect too much regarding new content or features. Basically the most of Bungie is working on D2. But you never know..
I'm pretty sure that -if- Destiny 2 gets solid PS4 Pro support it will shift quite some numbers
I believe it will. Sony is treating this like a 1st party game according to Shinobi
jabberwocker
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If all the Kotaku/Schreier/Shinobi posts are to be believed the current game is being maintained by the live team, and we shouldnt expect too much regarding new content or features. Basically the most of Bungie is working on D2. But you never know..
I'm pretty sure that -if- Destiny 2 gets solid PS4 Pro support it will shift quite some numbers
Why wouldn't it? doesn't have to at this point
Yes... i was expecting a ton of comparisons 1080p ps4 vs 1080p pro 4k vs 1080p etc etc. Even still shots.
Nothing tangible yet. :/
Yes and while it looks MUCH clearer, it's... 30fps without motion blur. Feels shitty.
But your going to see more imperfections at 1440p and below for example on a 4K screen than a native 1080p screen, especially for games that downsample that 1440p and games that give better visuals at 1080p.
No upscaling necessary or details lost
jabberwocker
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Link? Also on the side that didn't work out too well from a man-size guy?
Edit: no mans sky
That's a good point. The question is do you want ps exclusive games to look better. Cost wise a pro is around the cost of a good gpu if you are only multiplat then the pc upgrade is a good route. If you want the exclusives at the best quality then pro is good and if you already have a ps4 you can get the upgrade for around $200 so not a terrible deal. If you really don't care the slim is going to be cheaper around bf and can run all exclusives.
SictorVullivan
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Does anyone have a link to where ND said they are going to look at the Pro mode in more depth/ make more pro improvements for UC4?
Oh well, UC4 has not received a single upgrade to its (hideous) motion blur.
At the end of the day, the footage from the Pro conference was accurate.
I guess UC4's Pro patch is as barebones as it gets.
Oh well, UC4 has not received a single upgrade to its (hideous) motion blur.
At the end of the day, the footage from the Pro conference was accurate.
I guess UC4's Pro patch is as barebones as it gets.
Just in case: You know you can adjust the motion blur since end of June and even turn it off?
LordOfChaos
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Understandable, but creates a few more annoying steps in wanting to use the same drive that's in my PS4, lol (it's a Momentus XT hybrid, rather keep that than the regular drive in the Pro). Wipe an external hard drive moving its data somewhere else, back up the drive I want from the PS4 to the external, swap the drive I want to the PS4 Pro, reinstall OS, restore backup, replace regular PS4 hard drive, restore OS...
Did I add more steps than I need?
WhiskerFrisker
Member
They don't have a lot of people working on content for the game let alone a technical patch for the Pro. Destiny 2 seems far more likely.
According to the DF, it's one of the best ports on the Pro. Checkerboarded to 4K.
GinoFelino
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AcademicSaucer
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Oh well, UC4 has not received a single upgrade to its (hideous) motion blur.
At the end of the day, the footage from the Pro conference was accurate.
I guess UC4's Pro patch is as barebones as it gets.
lol those images.
Crimson_Gold
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Gotta find the thread. It was the kokatu thread about destiny 2.
http://m.neogaf.com/showthread.php?t=1285379
No man sky has nothing to do with pro requirements. Smh. Let's be realistic here. Destiny support for the PS4 has been good. So...
Oh well, UC4 has not received a single upgrade to its (hideous) motion blur.
At the end of the day, the footage from the Pro conference was accurate.
I guess UC4's Pro patch is as barebones as it gets.
You can tone it down, no?
Screen just before 1080p section shows Blur slider
http://images.eurogamer.net/2015/articles//a/1/8/6/7/0/1/5/HDR.jpg.jpg/EG11/resize/600x-1/quality/80/format/jpg
Always-honest
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To me? Yes...
I don't think changing the intensity of motion blur is going to make the motion blur look any better.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=208771878&postcount=93
Based on his review, it seems that he doesn't notice a significant difference in quality between games running on the OG PS4 and the Pro. I suppose that means he doesn't see a big difference between 1080p and checkerboard rendering and/ native 4K?
Keep in mind that CNET doesn't go as in-depth into a games performance in the same way Digital Foundry and other sites do, so it makes sense that his review wouldn't touch on improvements in other areas, e.g. AF, AA, etc.
but it is always up to developers. There are pretty big differences between best and worst looking games on PS4/PC or any other platform.
There are big differences in GPU utilization between using game from 2012 and game from 2016 on modern cpu too.
Backfoggen
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Did you play 900p games on a 720p TV too?
Yes. There's no boost with unpatched games.