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[Norse]

With a couple months of preorders all counting in November npd, it would have been a huge feat for Xbox to win November. Also, I wouldnt be surprised if ps4 slim won November all by itself, but pro launch should have guaranteed Sony a November npd win.

Prior to Nov npd, do we have the total #'s for Xbox and ps4 since launch? Anyone?

 

[Pathfinder]

We don't see meaningful numbers any more.
Just nonsense ship-to-retailer numbers where everyone is in a winner.
All of our NPD leakers got taken out by the mafia.

That's a shame.

 

[TKM]

You do realize the months Xbox sold more than PS4 means nothing worldwide?

It always was dominance.

Indeed. US-centric forums and media always forget that.

 

[Maximilian Kolbe]

God, "Scorpio will turn the tide!" is gonna be the rallying cry for all of 2017, isn't it?

I'm pretty sure that's not what he means though.

Edit: Didn't notice #601 already talked about the reason, and i believe that's what he means, of course there still things MS need to do it right before Scorpio launch, such as price.

 

[RexNovis]

When would be a good time to make that judgement than? I think the PS4's continued success speaks for itself.

Maybe looking at the sales of both by this time next year we can identify a trend one way or the other. I do think it's inclusion helped XB1S sell more for the past 3 months and I also think it might help reduce the monthly sales gap between the two going forward. We will likely see PS4 come out on top but I doubt we will continue to see it outsell XB1 by as much as it has in the past. Put simply, I think UHD is a significant factor that could lead to more people choosing to pick one up than otherwise would have. How many more is the question and we aren't going to answer that with a such a small data sample.

 

[Shock32]

Surprise PS4 Pro Call of Duty bundle coming soon (maybe)

Interesting, never thought of a bundle. That would be something if they did it. Isn't this about the time last year they released the COD bundle.

 

[etta]

It is amazing that you took the other posters comment and turned into what you wrote. I don't think anyone is saying that it will turn the tide, it is people like you that fuel some of the b.s. that is spread. The other poster was just suggesting that if the PRO did very well, it can potentially be a good thing for Scorpio because the market is accepting mid-gen upgrades...no one is saying it is going to turn the tide.

You shouldn't be surprised, it's what some of these guys do. Apparently I'm having a meltdown, too. I haven't been posting as much lately because of work, but apparently it's because I'm scared.
Anyways, back to melting:

 

[anothertech]

With a couple months of preorders all counting in November npd, it would have been a huge feat for Xbox to win November. Also, I wouldnt be surprised if ps4 slim won November all by itself, but pro launch should have guaranteed Sony a November npd win.

Prior to Nov npd, do we have the total #'s for Xbox and ps4 since launch? Anyone?

Last official numbers from MS was almost 20M xbone sold earlier this year. Sounds like we just got 50M sold through confirmed for PS4.

So likely 2:1 for Sony worldwide, or close to it still.

 

[Hawk269]

You shouldn't be surprised, it's what some of these guys do. Apparently I'm having a meltdown, too. I haven't been posting as much lately because of work, but apparently it's because I'm scared.
Anyways, back to melting:

I hear you etta. I just don't get it. People are trying instigate things that are not there and taking peoples comments and trying to create a narrative that it is a rallying cry that Scorpio will bring balance to the Force or something. Some are just trying way too hard to push an agenda or perhaps they are trolling people to incite an argument. Who knows. I am just happy that the industry I love for over 45 years now is doing well and we have 2 major players that are doing well and then having Nintendo hopefully be successful with the Switch is nothing but great things for gamers. Regardless of where your fandom lies, it is great overall that we have a healthy industry and systems are selling great. We just don't need people trying to create a false narrative.

 

[Ricky_R]

You shouldn't be surprised, it's what some of these guys do. Apparently I'm having a meltdown, too. I haven't been posting as much lately because of work, but apparently it's because I'm scared.
Anyways, back to melting:

I'm always right here if you need a shoulder.

 

[HStallion]

I miss Hindle's antics . Wish GAF mods would unban him.

And congrats Sony but lets wait for Sec numbers before I say "the king has truly returned"

Maybe the King never left.

 

[Norse]

Last official numbers from MS was almost 20M xbone sold earlier this year. Sounds like we just got 50M sold through confirmed for PS4.

So likely 2:1 for Sony worldwide, or close to it still.

Those numbers are good n all but as this is a NPD thread, I was asking for npd sales to date.

 

[Kayant]

Last official numbers from MS was almost 20M xbone sold earlier this year. Sounds like we just got 50M sold through confirmed for PS4.

So likely 2:1 for Sony worldwide, or close to it still.

The last numbers we got from MS where actually in like 2014 for when they were about to ship 10M.

That 20M is either from people estimates from EA's estimate or from the XBL users report.

 

[ilMikhail]

The Dream is dead

 

[RichiRamjag]

You shouldn't be surprised, it's what some of these guys do. Apparently I'm having a meltdown, too. I haven't been posting as much lately because of work, but apparently it's because I'm scared.
Anyways, back to melting:

Mr Cellophane... Mr Cellophaneeeee!!!

I hear you etta. I just don't get it. People are trying instigate things that are not there and taking peoples comments and trying to create a narrative that it is a rallying cry that Scorpio will bring balance to the Force or something. Some are just trying way too hard to push an agenda or perhaps they are trolling people to incite an argument. Who knows. I am just happy that the industry I love for over 45 years now is doing well and we have 2 major players that are doing well and then having Nintendo hopefully be successful with the Switch is nothing but great things for gamers. Regardless of where your fandom lies, it is great overall that we have a healthy industry and systems are selling great. We just don't need people trying to create a false narrative.

Meh. If you create a rep where you come to known as "that guy", when things are up, then it's a little obvious when you try to play things down during the down times/moments to anyone paying attention. Trying to take the high ground now is transparent.

I'm glad all system are doing well same as you, but there's no reason to pretend like we don't know why many have certain opinions about certain people in regards to these matters.

 

[RexNovis]

Nah, no one thinks its cause of the exclusives.

It's cause you can get double the resolution, iq, and performance for the next year on a PS4 for all titles. Even 3rd party, which are the important ones like you say.

Right but there are some posters riding high on the news from PSX and attributing significance to it that simply does not exist. That's all I'm trying to say really. People need to calm down and realize that what makes them excited and hypes them up (see PSX games) doesn't necessarily do the same for the general gaming populace and simply doesn't correlate in sales the way some seem to think it will.

I expect better from you, Rex.

It's what I get for typing on my phone with a Japanese touch keyboard -_-

Fixed now btw

 

[anothertech]

Those numbers are good n all but as this is a NPD thread, I was asking for npd sales to date.

Ah. In that case I got MAU's for ya. Anyone want MAU's?

 

[SneakersSO]

It is amazing that you took the other posters comment and turned into what you wrote. I don't think anyone is saying that it will turn the tide, it is people like you that fuel some of the b.s. that is spread. The other poster was just suggesting that if the PRO did very well, it can potentially be a good thing for Scorpio because the market is accepting mid-gen upgrades...no one is saying it is going to turn the tide.

I don't think, even if the Pro had a good initial month, that it'll be indicative of whether or not the market has accepted a mid-gen upgrade. We are going to need at least 6 months of data before we can make that call. I think we'll see a big initial spike, followed by a slide into negligible numbers, while PS4 numbers stay strong; my prediction is mid-gen upgrades aren't accepted.

 

[Hawk269]

I don't think, even if the Pro had a good initial month, that it'll be indicative of whether or not the market has accepted a mid-gen upgrade. We are going to need at least 6 months of data before we can make that call. I think we'll see a big initial spike, followed by a slide into negligible numbers, while PS4 numbers stay strong; my prediction is mid-gen upgrades aren't accepted.

Agree. We will need more time and data to see how the PRO impacts things overall. But it sounds like initially it was a big win for Sony and if the PRO was the big thing that pushed them past the Xbox One line for November then that is a good sign of the viability of a mid-gen upgrade. As you said, a good 6 months worth of sales data will give us a clearer picture of things, but seems like a good start.

 

[DriftingSpirit]

Maybe looking at the sales of both by this time next year we can identify a trend one way or the other. I do think it's inclusion helped XB1S sell more for the past 3 months and I also think it might help reduce the monthly sales gap between the two going forward. We will likely see PS4 come out on top but I doubt we will continue to see it outsell XB1 by as much as it has in the past. Put simply, I think UHD is a significant factor that could lead to more people choosing to pick one up than otherwise would have. How many more is the question and we aren't going to answer that with a such a small data sample.

But the gaps between the PS4 and X1 in US have never been that sizable outside of the holidays. Especially during the slower months.

I just don't think it will matter in a comparison to the PS4. The PS4 is going to PS4 regardless. I think UHD can simply maintain momentum for X1. In other words, keep the X1 from falling rather than maintaining normal level of sales and drive them forward above the norm as well.

Even if we are to go with what you're suggesting though, that still doesn't "hurt" Sony either. It just means the competition benefited from doing it. That isn't the same thing.

 

[RexNovis]

But the gaps between the PS4 and X1 in US have never been that sizable outside of the holidays. Especially during the slower months.

I just don't think it will matter in a comparison to the PS4. The PS4 is going to PS4 regardless. I think UHD can simply maintain momentum for X1. In other words, keep the X1 from falling rather than maintaining normal level of sales and drive them forward above the norm as well.

Even if we are to go with what you're suggesting though, that still doesn't "hurt" Sony either. It just means the competition benefited from doing it. That isn't the same thing.

Every potential lost sale "hurts" them IMO. And certainly you could be right about it not boosting demand for XB1 but the only way we will know that is too look at the data next August and compare the YoY figures. I just think it's way too early to be making declarative statements either way. Especially since we don't even have sales figures for this month yet.

I actually wanted a UHD drive in the Pro myself and its lack of inclusion was a major bummer for me so I'm likely a bit biased personally. I honestly don't know for sure either way (and I'm not saying I do) I just think it's way too early to make that distinction at this point regardless of the current results. A single NPD victory does not conclusive evidence make.

 

[Brad Grenz]

Gotta love the description on his newest video.

"It only took the release of a PS4 Slim, PlayStation VR, PS4 Pro and deep, DEEP discounts on everything to squeak out a slim victory over Xbox One in November!"

What will they say if it's revealed the gap is like 500K for November? I think it's highly unlikely this was a slim victory between the Pro presales and launch prior to BF and the big deals for the Holiday.

 

[StrongBlackVine]

Every potential lost sale "hurts" them IMO. And certainly you could be right about it not boosting demand for XB1 but the only way we will know that is too look at the data next August and compare the YoY figures. I just think it's way too early to be making declarative statements either way. Especially since we don't even have sales figures for this month yet.

I actually wanted a UHD drive in the Pro myself and its lack of inclusion was a major bummer for me so I'm likely a bit biased personally. I honestly don't know for sure either way (and I'm not saying I do) I just think it's way too early to make that distinction at this point regardless of the current results. A single NPD victory does not conclusive evidence make.

I think you have measure how many sales they have lost versus how much money they save by not including an UHD drive in each Slim and Pro that they sell. Good luck figuring that out. With a savings of about $15 per unit that really adds up quickly with volume of sales they are doing.

 

[ElephantShell]

Not entirely surprising with the Pro launch plus there was some pretty bangin deals on PS4s during Black Friday. Even if the Pro doesn't sell super well compared to the standard PS4, as long as their combined numbers are strong, Sony will be happy. They want PS4s in homes, I don't think they really care which one.

I do want to see the Pro vs Standard sales breakdown though.

 

[Syrus]

We need numbers. People laughed at xbox winning by a small margin but sony probably has nice gap

 

[GifGafIsTheBestGaf]

Pai Pai Master, indeed. lmao

 

[Unknown?]

We need numbers. People laughed at xbox winning by a small margin but sony probably has nice gap

Probably a bigger gap than they'll have next month even though they'll likely take December.

 

[RexNovis]

I think you have measure how many sales they have lost versus how much money they save by not including an UHD drive in each Slim and Pro that they sell. Good luck figuring that out. With a savings of about $15 per unit that really adds up quickly with volume of sales they are doing.

That's true there is a cost savings analysis to consider as well and you're right it's unlikely we will get the data nexessary to determine if it the savings were enough to offset any potential lost sales. Either way though we certainly don't enough data to proclaim it's not a factor at all right now.

Like I said I'm likely biased because I really wanted a UHD drive as I plan on owning a 4K tv before the end of next year. It's lack of inclusion in the Pro will mean I probably purchase an XB1S (because why not at this point) whenever I get around to picking up a 4K tv in the near future. Been holding off until I can afford a decent OLED TV and I'm hoping that I can snag a previous model for cheap when the new ones release this upcoming year but I digress.

All I'm saying is let's give it some time and see how the market reacts to the UHD XB1S in the next few months then we can have a meaningful discussion about its market appeal.

 

[spwolf]

I think you have measure how many sales they have lost versus how much money they save by not including an UHD drive in each Slim and Pro that they sell. Good luck figuring that out. With a savings of about $15 per unit that really adds up quickly with volume of sales they are doing.

and they can use that $15 to appeal to gamers instead of movie buffs who dont buy games, but instead are buying it for cheap player... so you are subsidizing people who wont give you revenues back.

This is how Sony won this generation, from day 1. Catering to the gamers and not analysts. Same thing happened with S vs Pro. Again, catering to the gamers.

 

[Iced Arcade]

Release of the pro it should be a sizable chunk for nov

 

[RichiRamjag]

and they can use that $15 to appeal to gamers instead of movie buffs who dont buy games, but instead are buying it for cheap player... so you are subsidizing people who wont give you revenues back.

This is how Sony won this generation, from day 1. Catering to the gamers and not analysts. Same thing happened with S vs Pro. Again, catering to the gamers.

I think we can all agree that it's a great timer to be a caterer.

 

[tareqsalah1]

Vast majority of people ignore Nintendo consoles. Maybe Switch will change things up, we'll see.

What im trying to say if you can buy or afford two consoles for a while. What do you think the majority would choose?
Based on my experience and the people i know they almost always buy a nintendo and ps4 or a xbox one.

It's rare that i know someone that has both ps4 and xbox one.

Its ok if people disagree with me though

 

[parmanu]

Could it be Sony's plan to not have UHD drive in PS Pro at launch but next year when Scorpio launches they are going to launch a new model with UHD drive to 'enhance' its value?

 

[Dash_Riprock]

Could it be Sony's plan to not have UHD drive in PS Pro at launch but next year when Scorpio launches they are going to launch a new model with UHD drive to 'enhance' its value?

That would just piss people off. Probably just saving it for PS5, whenever the hell that is.

 

[Rahvar]

Right. It was still weird to me though. Happened with 2 retailers, both Amazon and Target. Maybe they (Amazon/Target) do it just to boost their holiday numbers?

I don't know how American retail works, but one of the reasons why we couldn't do it like that here in Sweden is that your receipt would not be valid. We cannot just deduct some money of the reciept, we have to return the full product and amount and then rebuy at the new prize. Meaning the reciept would be listed as 'returned' and hence invalid and no warranty.

 

[spwolf]

Could it be Sony's plan to not have UHD drive in PS Pro at launch but next year when Scorpio launches they are going to launch a new model with UHD drive to 'enhance' its value?

by then there will be $150-$200 UHD players that do a better job.

 

[Mister Megative]

We need numbers. People laughed at xbox winning by a small margin but sony probably has nice gap

Think again.

 

[DC1]

If there was no Pro, some people would have never waited for Pro and instead of it they would have bought a PS4 and maybe MS would have never won a NPD this year.

Infinity loop of appeal!

 

[Pestilence11]

Cool I guess. I'm happy with only having a PS4 but I'm not sure why numbers matter 3 years in though. Both consoles are selling well enough.

 

[Sad Affleck]

I hope we get a breakdown between PS4 Slim and Pro sales.

 

[Lord Malachite]

Expected now that the Pro is on store shelves. Still I'm betting Black Friday saw some very excellent numbers for both PS4 and XB1 this year. The vanilla versions are really hitting the sweet spot in pricing and the siim versions of both are attractive options as well.

 

[Nightengale]

Could it be Sony's plan to not have UHD drive in PS Pro at launch but next year when Scorpio launches they are going to launch a new model with UHD drive to 'enhance' its value?

Of course not.

 

[CrispyBoar]

I already knew that Sony would be back on top because of the Pro.

The PS4 slim was just an unattractive product compared to it & the Xbox One S.

 

[StrongBlackVine]

I already knew that Sony would be back on top because of the Pro.

The PS4 slim was just an unattractive product compared to it & the Xbox One S.

The Slim going to sell just fine and be the primary driver of PS4 sales going forward.

 

[Bastables]

I already knew that Sony would be back on top because of the Pro.

The PS4 slim was just an unattractive product compared to it & the Xbox One S.

I'm going to guess more ps4 slims were sold than either Xbox1s or Pros

 

[Apt101]

I can see Sony taking December as well. I think Microsoft's recent success can be mostly attributed to the array of discounts/bundles and the S being a new multi-purpose UHD player. Now that Sony is providing tiered options and their VR solution is gaining in popularity with positive word of mouth, I figure they'll end up back on top in the NPD territories for the foreseeable future.

I am sure television manufacturers are loving the push to 4K from these two console companies. I kind of want to look up 4K television sales after the holidays now to see how much they'll up YoY. My guess is a lot considering one can get a 55" top-brand 4k smart TV now for $500-$600 USD.

 

[Guymelef]

I already knew that Sony would be back on top because of the Pro.

The PS4 slim was just an unattractive product compared to it & the Xbox One S.

I don't know what kind of perception some people have,

Hey you have like dozens of exclusive games coming tomorrow!, yeah but it doesn't play UHD BR.

 

[Omnistalgic]

I said "nowadays" for MS. All their E3 announcement were listed 2017 and the only holdovers from overly early announcements was their 2014 E3 "3 more things"

Some of Sony stuff will surely come next year too but they're far more comfortable announcing 2018 stuff right now compared to NS.

Why do I keep seeing this like some Pro MS strategy now? Do we care that Marvel teases movies that won't come out until 2018? As long as it's awesome, I don't think so. MS simply doesn't have enough to show more than likely, I think them saying they are announcing games close to release is just PR for fans looking at how many titles Sony announced and tweeting Phil.

 

[Fredrik]

I can see Sony taking December as well. I think Microsoft's recent success can be mostly attributed to the array of discounts/bundles and the S being a new multi-purpose UHD player.

I honestly just think people were waiting on the Pro. XB1 sales will be lower next year before Scorpio launches too, and WiiU sales will be lower before Switch launches. It's perfectly logical imo.

 

[Humdinger]

What im trying to say if you can buy or afford two consoles for a while. What do you think the majority would choose?
Based on my experience and the people i know they almost always buy a nintendo and ps4 or a xbox one.

It's rare that i know someone that has both ps4 and xbox one.

Most of the two-console owners I know are people who own a PS4 and an Xbox. Wii U is just not very popular this generation. PS4 and Xbox are seen as the Big Two, the main players. So if you're going to get a second console, it's likely to be one of those -- at least that's been my experience, with the gamers I know.