Sure. Your "friend" cancelled his "preorder".
there were no pre-orders before yesterday...
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Betting time: Do you think the Switch will be a success?
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Sure. Your "friend" cancelled his "preorder".
Dreams-Visions
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I really don't know. I would lean failure, but Nintendo could surprise.
I'd feel better about their chances if they weren't looking like they're going to do the trickle release schedule. Waiting for a good game per season is not something any gamer that has experienced gaming on any other platform is going to be bothered with. Not for $300 + controller + storage +games.
I'd feel better about their chances if they weren't looking like they're going to do the trickle release schedule. Waiting for a good game per season is not something any gamer that has experienced gaming on any other platform is going to be bothered with. Not for $300 + controller + storage +games.
nogoodnamesleft
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EBGAMES australia has had preorders on their website since the original reveal video last year.
Everything i said was true. Had a 2 hour long conversation with him about it all. Why the hell would anyone make something so pathetic up? Not everyone lives in america and buys from amazon you know.
Manmademan
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Doesn't matter what you're going to buy.
Nintendo needs the casual audience that absolutely DOES buy games like mass effect Andromeda to succeed.
We saw a console that only got Nintendo first party games and not much else: it's sitting at 13m units and not selling much more than that.
orthodoxy1095
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Your tastes are pretty irrelevant to the discussion of competition here.
A bunch of those are niche titles sure (which do of course serve the purpose of filling out and diversifying a console's release calendar), but For Honor, Ghost Recon, Mass Effect and possibly Horizon are four of this year's biggest releases.
Can't see Nintendo consoles being a massive success anymore and as this is seen more as a console/portable hybrid, I think it's only going to attract those who want the exclusives.
Maybe I am a being a bit harsh on the price being at £280, thinking about it 3DS was £250 at launch I believe? It's just more of a problem now as we can compare that to a PS4/X1 which blows it out the water performance wise and has a lot more support/games than I think Switch would ever have, and I suppose the gimmick of it is the justification of the price, but it won't work for most people.
The other baffling things revealed recently:
-Potentially no way to charge controller included (at least when it's docked)
-A paid online service for...what? (I honestly don't know where the money is going towards. Party chat may only be through an app? And getting NES/SNES games which can't cost much at all to port. Feels Nintendo has only done it because they saw "everyone else is doing it", and don't really understand what they're at least trying to do to justify that and even then a lot would rather not pay for it understandably. That and they have no proven track record for good online infrastructure, so have to see how it goes.)
I think it will fare better than Wii U though and it is looking to try and "focus" the support it wants, so it's at least appealing to the group they're aiming for. Certainly not appealing for everyone though like they would think.
Maybe I am a being a bit harsh on the price being at £280, thinking about it 3DS was £250 at launch I believe? It's just more of a problem now as we can compare that to a PS4/X1 which blows it out the water performance wise and has a lot more support/games than I think Switch would ever have, and I suppose the gimmick of it is the justification of the price, but it won't work for most people.
The other baffling things revealed recently:
-Potentially no way to charge controller included (at least when it's docked)
-A paid online service for...what? (I honestly don't know where the money is going towards. Party chat may only be through an app? And getting NES/SNES games which can't cost much at all to port. Feels Nintendo has only done it because they saw "everyone else is doing it", and don't really understand what they're at least trying to do to justify that and even then a lot would rather not pay for it understandably. That and they have no proven track record for good online infrastructure, so have to see how it goes.)
I think it will fare better than Wii U though and it is looking to try and "focus" the support it wants, so it's at least appealing to the group they're aiming for. Certainly not appealing for everyone though like they would think.
ScatheZombie
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I preordered it because I don't have a Wii U, am desperate to play Zelda, and think it's just a cool design for a product. But I'm worried for Nintendo. The marketing up till this point had been masterful and the message very focused. But last night's presentation felt tone deaf. Probably because it was NCL and not NOA (but also because the features, price, and lineup were all kinda disappointing).
The switch is saved!
Fox Mulder
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it's 2017 and not a vacuum. The switch is going against more powerful, cheaper consoles that also have stacks of games, third party support, and proven online ecosystems with millions of users.
A family buying a switch for their kids to play pokemon will have to pay $300, $60, and an online sub now. It's a tougher sell than a 3ds, which struggled out the gate, and you can get more with a cheaper ps4 or xb1 now.
Ghost is Bad
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Tarnpanzer
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Maybe canceling Zelda for WiiU would help the 2017-sales of Switch a lot.
Suburban Thug
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An embarrassment of riches while Switch owners will be playing Zelda and...that's it. Nobody is buying a Switch in the launch window for what they are charging except Nintendo fanboys and scalpers. The value simply isn't there. $80 controllers, ridiculous accessory pricing, lack of quality software, paid yet gimped online that won't launch with basic features, laughable free game program where you can only play the title for a month before Nintendo makes you buy it (yes, that's real), terrible battery life for a portable, too weak and expensive to compete with consoles, 32GB storage which will alienate 3rd party devs/consumers who prefer digital...
I'm stunned right now. I was SO hyped prior to the conference and have gone from borderline day one purchaser to waiting for it to hit $250 with a pack in game that isn't a mini-game collection.
thepenguin55
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I think the combination of E3, Zelda, Splatoon 2 and Mario will result in it doing well. If Nintendo is expecting Wii level sales they'll be disappointed (especially on day one). I think the most damning thing about the Switch is the lack of REAL support from AAA western 3rd party developers. If that starts to change by the end of the year then my outlook for the Switch will be a bit more positive.
FIREKNIGHT2029
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Brutal but sadly true.Only 32GB, paid online that doesn't even have any real advantage, and likely a myriad of Nintendo Fad(tm)? Nope, no way.
In fact...
Moor-Angol
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why a lot of people complain about the Pad Pro and $70 ?
just but the Hori Pad Pro, $30
just but the Hori Pad Pro, $30
BobbyRobby
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Yeah, a modest one. Big success in Japan though
hersheyfan
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I watched the stream live during lunch hour at work yesterday.
- Didnt really mind the 300 dollar asking price. Blanched a bit at the paid online, but I figured I can just skip Splatoon if push comes to shove.
- Loved the controllers. Having that kind of flexibility in a portable form factor is pretty cool!
- Saw a bunch of awesome looking games that I really wanted to play (Xenosaga 2, Mario, Zelda, Shin Megami Tensei game, Mario Kart 8 Deluxe)
My faith had been rewarded, and I was gonna preorder the heck out if it.
And then I saw the release schedule. What the fucking fuck?
Having a launch day lineup as paltry as that smacks of desperation. Did they really need to rush the launch before the end of the fiscal year? If sales become sluggish after the initial launch hype, won't this do more damage to the Nintendo brand in the long term?
They had the perfect storm of hype, people eating out of the palm of their hands, plenty of recent exposure due to the NES Classic and Super Mario Run, and this was the best they could come up with? I've been strictly handhelds-only when it comes to Nintendo from the Wii generation onwards, but I was super enthusiastic about giving them a shot this time around. I figured that the worst case scenario was the Vita 2 (lots of niche J releases) with Nintendo first party games, not a bad place to be.
But this? How is the Switch supposed to find a foothold in the Japanese market with a release schedule like that?
Why would I pay 300 dollars at launch for a switch, get Zelda and MAYBE Bomberman, then wait almost 2 months for Mario Kart 8? And I don't even have a Wii U, so MK8 is fresh to me... I imagine a Wii U owner might not feel the same.
- Didnt really mind the 300 dollar asking price. Blanched a bit at the paid online, but I figured I can just skip Splatoon if push comes to shove.
- Loved the controllers. Having that kind of flexibility in a portable form factor is pretty cool!
- Saw a bunch of awesome looking games that I really wanted to play (Xenosaga 2, Mario, Zelda, Shin Megami Tensei game, Mario Kart 8 Deluxe)
My faith had been rewarded, and I was gonna preorder the heck out if it.
And then I saw the release schedule. What the fucking fuck?
Having a launch day lineup as paltry as that smacks of desperation. Did they really need to rush the launch before the end of the fiscal year? If sales become sluggish after the initial launch hype, won't this do more damage to the Nintendo brand in the long term?
They had the perfect storm of hype, people eating out of the palm of their hands, plenty of recent exposure due to the NES Classic and Super Mario Run, and this was the best they could come up with? I've been strictly handhelds-only when it comes to Nintendo from the Wii generation onwards, but I was super enthusiastic about giving them a shot this time around. I figured that the worst case scenario was the Vita 2 (lots of niche J releases) with Nintendo first party games, not a bad place to be.
But this? How is the Switch supposed to find a foothold in the Japanese market with a release schedule like that?
Why would I pay 300 dollars at launch for a switch, get Zelda and MAYBE Bomberman, then wait almost 2 months for Mario Kart 8? And I don't even have a Wii U, so MK8 is fresh to me... I imagine a Wii U owner might not feel the same.
It's like the 3DS all over again.
Switch will get some momentum once they drop the price and figure out how they're positioning it. It won't be a runaway success, but it won't be a failure and it'll certainly fare better than the Wii U did.
Animal Crossing and Pokémon will assure that.
Switch will get some momentum once they drop the price and figure out how they're positioning it. It won't be a runaway success, but it won't be a failure and it'll certainly fare better than the Wii U did.
Animal Crossing and Pokémon will assure that.
Are you my friend because this sounds exactly like me lol :'(
The Hermit
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This is false, the only report was exactly 32GB, with 64 at max
I feel like to be accurate the bear would even be trying to climb up, it would just immediately trip and fall. And on purpose, to boot.The Switch story so far in a nutshell:
I think the Wii U failing, plus the new Zelda game, plus the cool casual concept and mainstream interest, and a smart marketing (The Switch sound alone is brilliant) will make this one and impulse buy for a looot of people.
The price is fine for launch, I can see them gettting bundles for the same price on holidays and they avoid the console getting scalped.
Selling 2 millions at launch its extremely doable, and that is what they will call a success.
The price is fine for launch, I can see them gettting bundles for the same price on holidays and they avoid the console getting scalped.
Selling 2 millions at launch its extremely doable, and that is what they will call a success.
I'm expecting 3rd party stuff to shift away from console games towards being handheld games and the kind of games that are on both Vita and PS4, and so on. Which is fine with me, because a console with those + Nintendo console games sounds excellent to me.
So I think it'll do well; I just expect it to do better once they're not primarily trying to sell it as a console.
So I think it'll do well; I just expect it to do better once they're not primarily trying to sell it as a console.
I wished the Switch stole my heart back to Nintendo but: no games at all. Expensive and a lot. Isn't a proper handheld console so if they are going to burry the 3ds for this... They are dumb. The accessories are expensive. Pay to play online knowing Nintendo online experience is crap.
So yes it will be rough for them.
So yes it will be rough for them.
chancellor
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I think in 3 years it will have done better than the wii u but worse than the 3ds.
The Hermit
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that would be the dickest move of all time
Nintendo already had all the build up and hype back when it was initially revealed. It was talked about everywhere when that happened.
This conference was held at an inconvenient time so there's not going to be as much social media buzz about it other than the announcements people will be reading about the following day. The jury's out on whether the positive mindshare they had from the reveal is gone since GAF isn't a great metric by itself.
I consider myself a diehard Nintendo fan, I picked up Wii U day one, no questions asked.
I won't be buying a Switch day one. $399 + $80 for Zelda + $90 for pro controller in Canada is just unfathomable when I could get literally the only game I care about at launch, Zelda, on a console I already own for $60.
Roufianos
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Based on the price and simply awful launch line up, I think it will do less than the Wii U first year.
Can't say beyond that, I still think the premise is neat so I can see it taking off with a price cut and maybe even a revision with a longer battery life.
Also it depends if this thing is actually going to unify Nintendo's console / handheld output. Based on the shitty first year, I don't think that's the case.
Can't say beyond that, I still think the premise is neat so I can see it taking off with a price cut and maybe even a revision with a longer battery life.
Also it depends if this thing is actually going to unify Nintendo's console / handheld output. Based on the shitty first year, I don't think that's the case.
moltonasty
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I expected $300 and considering the fact that it has a built in screen i'm shocked anyone actually expected $250 or less
Also specs havent been confirmed have they? We don't really know exactly how it stacks up to xb1/ps4
Also specs havent been confirmed have they? We don't really know exactly how it stacks up to xb1/ps4
You're right- this is a really good point. I still think some people need to understand that this is, in fact, a new console- and it's obviously not gonna launch at 199$. Yes, it would be awesome and it would probably sell more units, but it's just a little outlandish in my opinion. I'm 100% agreeing on the launch game-lineup being pretty bland (except zelda which looks amazing), so the value proposition is a lot weaker than a PS4 or an XBONE. But i think that people who thinks that 299$ is too much for the Switch should just wait- just like i did with the PS4. I waited until the great games were there and when the price was a little lower.
PS: Seems like the charger grip is included in the package. Rejoice!
You do if you saw the games.
I feel like this system will lag for a bit until pokemon drops, and then it will start to pick up the pace. It can pull itself together eventually with a redesign that makes it more portable and higher power. This all depends on whether Nintendo decides to stick out the rough period and not just call it quits before then.
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