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[Bitch Pudding]

That's not to say Horizon and GTS won't move units, but the motivational factors to buying a console appear to be third party games.

You can play the likes of CoD, BF or FIFA on almost any platform. And yes, they are a major motivational factor, but when it comes to deciding between competing platforms the exclusive content, services and other featues (and of course price) come into play.

I still believe the exclusive library is actually one of the main reasons why quite a lot of people decide in favor of a certain console.

 

[Neonep]

This is why Horizon is the most interesting game for Sony in a long time business wise (from a curious person viewpoint of course). With this I mean:

Think about potentially new big hits that Sony has launched this gen, I can only think of one: The Order 1886 and well know how that went. We may argue that Bloodborne was a hit but I don't know if it'll be a franchise nor I think it sold that much to be considered that, it was pretty important from a critical reception standpoint. But if you think about new ips to build a franchise, Horizon is the first since The Order and since that game was a failure (to my own dissapointment) is interesting to see how this new attempt goes.

1. There will definitely be a Bloodborne 2
2. I forgot about the Order 1886, there will probably be a sequel to that too.

 

[notacat]

If the next Xbox just said, "also you can use Steam, your entire library from it, here" as just an included thing, I think they'd suddenly find themselves in a much better position.

 

[maverick40]

Good read as an Xbox fan.

Microsoft has made a huge mistake tying down their studios to single franchises. Of the 5 studios they have actually developing Xbox games only Rare is given creative freedom, for now at least.

343 - Halo
Turn 10 - Forza
The Coalition - Gears
Mojang - Minecraft

Their first party is anemic and I doubt they are ever going to expand.

How is this cycle exciting to any gamer? Terrible stuff. No excitement at all.

 

[Nirolak]

You can play the likes of CoD, BF or FIFA on almost any platform. And yes, they are a major motivational factor, but when it comes to deciding between competing platform the exclusive content, services and other featues (and of course price) come into play.

I still believe the exclusive library is actually one of the main reasons why quite a lot of people decide to buy their console.

I don't disagree, I just think that price and performance are probably equally important these days.

That said, "Buying the platform your friends have." is obviously an astronomical motivator, so the argument could be made that customers sold on exclusive software have multiplicative impact on console sales, even if only 30% of the people buying a console ever get one of its exclusive games.

 

[gundamkyoukai]

You can play the likes of CoD, BF or FIFA on almost any platform. And yes, they are a major motivational factor, but when it comes to deciding between competing platforms the exclusive content, services and other featues (and of course price) come into play.

I still believe the exclusive library is actually one of the main reasons why quite a lot of people decide in favor of a certain console.

Agree when people looking to buy a console they look at everything .
The system that has the most games just more attractive if everything is near equal .

 

[Kaako]

A lot of posters seemingly trying to bury their head in the sand and act like Scalebound's cancellation isn't a very large symptom of a much bigger issue the Xbox brand has been facing for years now.

As the second highest possible profile cancellation the Xbox One has seen within the last year, you'd have to be living in an especially isolated little bubble to not see what a bad situation the platform is currently in on the games front.

No lies detected.

 

[MegaSackman]

1. There will definitely be a Bloodborne 2
2. I forgot about the Order 1886, there will probably be a sequel to that too.

Hopefully (to my own pleasure) both will happen.

 

[Neonep]

You can play the likes of CoD, BF or FIFA on almost any platform. And yes, they are a major motivational factor, but when it comes to deciding between competing platforms the exclusive content, services and other featues (and of course price) come into play.

I still believe the exclusive library is actually one of the main reasons why quite a lot of people decide in favor of a certain console.

I think so too. For example, I play a lot of fighting games and 3rd person action games and most of those come from Japan. Microsofts messaging is always about sports games (which I don't play) & shooters (which I also don't play) so at the end of the day when it comes to buying consoles there is no reason for me to buy an Xbox One.

I saw Scalebound and said this looks up my alley and well I guess I'm buying an Xbox One for this. It got cancelled and they basically lost a sale cause of it.

 

[SamNW]

2. I forgot about the Order 1886, there will probably be a sequel to that too.

Ready at Dawn could probably do something really cool with a sequel, having now learned what it's like to develop a AAA console title.

 

[Omnistalgic]

Why do I keep seeing this narrative that PS only have story focused games over Xbox? Are we ignoring the Japanese 3rd party support that keeps skipping the MS brand? And what in the world is story focused about Nier, Builders, Dreams, etc...it just have a much more diverse lineup, I can't see how anyone can defend MS here, it's not even close in the exclusive lineup contest.

That's not to knock it as a good console, but the comparison brought out in the article isn't unreasonable. And the comments section on the website, "quality over quantity" sheesh...

 

[jelly]

I don't think it would take much for gamers to jump.

People happily jumped to PS4 from 360.

Is power enough to swing it, doubtful but a few games and power might. Have to wait and see. Sony may screw up from time to time but in the end they deliver. Do gamers now give Microsoft that benefit of doubt or just stay were they are. I don't think Microsoft have earned it yet, Xbox One turn around wasn't half bad with BC but they need more, a few new stellar games would go a long way.

 

[Zukkoyaki]

Microsoft could earn back a ton of good will by reviving Banjo Kazooie like it's been rumored... For about two years now.

 

[blakep267]

I don't disagree, I just think that price and performance are probably equally important these days.

That said, "Buying the platform your friends have." is obviously an astronomical motivator, so the argument could be made that customers sold on exclusive software have multiplicative impact on console sales, even if only 30% of the people buying a console ever get one of its exclusive games.

I think I disagree with him. Imo price and what my friends have are the most important things. If exclusives were so important, they would sell much more. But they don't. Like having a bundle for Red dead 2 is worth more than 10 exclusives

 

[Rembrandt]

2. I forgot about the Order 1886, there will probably be a sequel to that too.

This is the same thread where people are saying scalebound's cancellation is sign of a bigger problem, right?

 

[Banjo-Kazooie]

Honest question. Is Microsoft's list of directly published exclusives actually that much different than the directly publushed exclusives from their competitors for 2017?

To clarify what I mean by directly published, I mean games that are funded and published by the platform vendor (example: Detroit) as opposed to titles that are only on the platform because the third party publisher has no interest in releasing their game elsewhere (example: Star Ocean).

Technically speaking, Microsoft will be the publisher of over 100 games in 2017 when you take into account 360 BC games. I know this isn't fair comparison though haha I'm just being slightly troll-y

 

[Nirolak]

I think I disagree with him. Imo price and what my friends have are the most important things. If exclusives were so important, they would sell much more. But they don't. Like having a bundle for Red dead 2 is worth more than 10 exclusives

I remember when we had a thread that revealed 80% of PS4 owners had not played an Uncharted game, and people were super incredulous about this.

 

[blakep267]

Honest question. Is Microsoft's list of directly published exclusives actually that much different than the directly publushed exclusives from their competitors for 2017?

To clarify what I mean by directly published, I mean games that are funded and published by the platform vendor (example: Detroit) as opposed to titles that are only on the platform because the third party publisher has no interest in releasing their game elsewhere (example: Star Ocean).

not really. While Sony may have something like Detroit , MS has an rts in Halo wars. So there are different genres that the other doesn't have. So if we are talking retail exclusives, not a super difference. It's just that people like stuff like Gravity rush more here, than another forza game or a State of decay sequel

 

[Mass Effect]

I forgot about the Order 1886, there will probably be a sequel to that too.

No.

If the next Xbox just said, "also you can use Steam, your entire library from it, here" as just an included thing, I think they'd suddenly find themselves in a much better position.

How would that benefit Microsoft in any way?

 

[Tecnniqe]

Technically speaking, Microsoft will be the publisher of over 100 games in 2017 when you take into account 360 BC games. I know this isn't fair comparison though haha I'm just being slightly troll-y

You should make a end of the year list taking only MS/Sony published games into account adding the BC games for shit and giggles and see the true power of list wars.


Did they ever say how many use the BC feature? I seem to recall there was quite a bit of the userbase.

 

[OléGunner]

It's also interesting to me in that it's going after the burgeoning audience of younger girls and women who are into core gaming

Interesting thought.

Never really looked at Horizon that way but now you mention that, it's a salient point. Tbf there are not a lot of female heroes in big open world RPG's like Alloy.

 

[AnthonypUK]

Permanent exclusivity? I also doubt it. But timed exclusivity? I don't think it's that crazy. There's always an amount of money that can make a third-party game a timed exclusive. If we know that the Xbox One has a lack of exclusives, then Microsoft knows about it as well. They're not a company that likes to look bad, so I believe they would be willing to pull another Tomb Raider.

Why would they ditch the platform of the two that their last game sold the most on - opening week in Microsoft second biggest territory the split was 63% PS4, 32% XBO. you talking crazy.

 

[Chobel]

Wait FFVII Remake is exclusive or timed?

Timed.

 

[Coulomb_Barrier]

not really. While Sony may have something like Detroit , MS has an rts in Halo wars. So there are different genres that the other doesn't have. So if we are talking retail exclusives, not a super difference. It's just that people like stuff like Gravity rush more here, than another forza game or a State of decay sequel

There's a big difference in the number of exclusives, let's not have to type a list out to prove it. PS4 has a lot more.

 

[RibMan]

CDPR owns GOG.

There will never be any kind of exclusivity where they don't sell their own game on their own store.

Good point. I think Microsoft can pull another Tomb Raider and have the One be the only console that has the game for almost an entire year, with a GoG version available at launch as well. The difference this time would be the availability of a PC version and no Xbox 360 version. I think there's a dollar amount that could make that happen.

Why would they ditch the platform of the two that their last game sold the most on - opening week in Microsoft second biggest territory the split was 63% PS4, 32% XBO. you talking crazy.

I firmly believe that if the money is right, the publisher would not turn down such a deal.

 

[Neonep]

No.

Guarantee we hear something about a sequel either this year or next year.

 

[ThatOneGrunt]

How is this cycle exciting to any gamer? Terrible stuff. No excitement at all.

I will always be excited for a new Halo. And Gears and Forza Horizon games have always been consistently great. Why shouldn't people be excited?

 

[notaskwid]

Technically speaking, Microsoft will be the publisher of over 100 games in 2017 when you take into account 360 BC games. I know this isn't fair comparison though haha I'm just being slightly troll-y

How are the backward compatibility games not actually published by Microsoft published by Microsoft?

 

[Tigress]

Good point. I think Microsoft can pull another Tomb Raider and have the One be the only console that has the game for almost an entire year, with a GoG version available at launch as well. The difference this time would be the availability of a PC version and no Xbox 360 version. I think there's a dollar amount that could make that happen.

Except CDPR stakes a lot of customer loyalty by acting the good guy and why they have such loyal fans (DRM Free, Free DLC and only paid expansions <- which really is just DLC but gaurenteed to have some bulk but there's a reason they went out of their way to make a differentiation, free updates, promising a true single player game with no focus on MP at all <- hey that worked to get my attention). Doing something like this could very easily piss them off and tarnish that rep they try to build and keep. The kind of people CDPR cater to with their "good guy" act are exactly the kind that would view this as being like other scummy companies.

It would depend on which CDPR would value more, their rep which they have been very careful to build or a short infusion of one time money.

 

[Jaraghan]

With the cancellation of Scalebound, I decided I am going to switch (heh) over to PS4. There just is not enough exclusives I care about anymore on Xbox, and Halo can only interest me for so long. The benefit of exclusive Destiny content also interests me haha

 

[Chobel]

Good point. I think Microsoft can pull another Tomb Raider and have the One be the only console that has the game for almost an entire year, with a GoG version available at launch as well. The difference this time would be the availability of a PC version and no Xbox 360 version. I think there's a dollar amount that could make that happen.

 

[Theorry]

How are the backward compatibility games not actually published by Microsoft published by Microsoft?

Legal reason i believe. All BC games are technically published by MS. But yeah doesnt really count offcourse.

 

[Coulomb_Barrier]

I will always be excited for a new Halo. And Gears and Forza Horizon games have always been consistently great. Why shouldn't people be excited?

Something called franchise fatigue. Nothing is immune to it.

 

[Mass Effect]

impressive list but how in the fuck is that a huge title ?

because the original sold over 11 million. come on son.

Timed.

though I wouldn't expect it to come to Xbox (but it might). I think it's going PC and maybe Switch.

also jesus christ your tag. accidentally hovered over it and caught me by surprise.

 

[notaskwid]

Legal reason i believe. All BC games are technically published by MS. But yeah doesnt really count offcourse.

I see, I didn't know that.

 

[funkystudent]

I am sure MS will invest in a big 3rd party exclusive ala Titanfall and Tomb Raider for Scorpio.


But after Titanfall and Tomb Raider I got to wonder who has a big enough IP worth moneyhatting who is also in a bad enough position to go for such a deal. Seems both of those franchises where worse off because of the deal.


From a 1th party POV things are not very exciting. But thats been Spensers MO ever since he took charge of MSG studios and only gotten worse since he replaced Mattrick.

 

[Neonep]

Something called franchise fatigue. Nothing is immune to it.

Yep, that is why Gears 4 didn't do as well and on the flipside is why RDR2 is going to do ridiculous numbers.

 

[RichiRamjag]

Microsoft could earn back a ton of good will by reviving Banjo Kazooie like it's been rumored... For about two years now.

I liked banjo, but I'm 30 years old. I don't really think banjo is as relevant as some of you think.

 

[Neonep]

I am sure MS will invest in a big 3rd party exclusive ala Titanfall and Tomb Raider for Scorpio.


But after Titanfall and Tomb Raider I got to wonder who has a big enough IP worth moneyhatting who is also in a bad enough position to go for such a deal. Seems both of those franchises where worse off because of the deal.


From a 1th party POV things are not very exciting. But thats been Spensers MO even since he was in charge of MS studios under Mattrick.

Titanfall is finished at this point and Tomb Raider won't be a timed exclusive for much longer if at all.

 

[Goose_Se7en]

I remember when we had a thread that revealed 80% of PS4 owners had not played an Uncharted game, and people were super incredulous about this.

I think this is because some folks have no loyalty and got a PS4 because it costs $100 less than Xbox at launch. Not saying this was the sole reason but a main factor. I wasn't in awe about that stat when I saw the thread. Back in 09 many folks had never played Uncharted 1 and only knew about it because the sequel was such a hit.

I'm of the belief that many of the X360 owners last gen jumped ship to Sony because of 2 main factors. 1. Sony's emphasis on the gamer and 2. The $399 price point. Mind you, I'm also of the belief that these same folks that chose X360 that gen, were mainly Ps2 owners the gen before who jumped ship to Xbox because of 2 main factors. 1. Sony's arrogance going into the PS3 era/being a year late and 2. That $499/$599 price point.

 

[DAREALGUMMY]

If the next Xbox just said, "also you can use Steam, your entire library from it, here" as just an included thing, I think they'd suddenly find themselves in a much better position.

The thing that they don't want to use and instead made their own version of? I don't think so.

 

[Crayon]

I know right. The poor dear.

 

[Purest 78]

I liked banjo, but I'm 30 years old. I don't really think banjo is as relevant as some of you think.

The game would flop hard in today's landscape imo.

 

[PeterLegend]

I am sure MS will invest in a big 3rd party exclusive ala Titanfall and Tomb Raider for Scorpio.


But after Titanfall and Tomb Raider I got to wonder who has a big enough IP worth moneyhatting who is also in a bad enough position to go for such a deal. Seems both of those franchises where worse off because of the deal.


From a 1th party POV things are not very exciting. But thats been Spensers MO ever since he took charge of MSG studios and only gotten worse since he replaced Mattrick.

Well when you do exclusives or timed exclusives with 3rd party developers it won't work out well when the game is also coming to PC and there happenes to be more PS4s in homes than Xbox ones

 

[notaskwid]

If the next Xbox just said, "also you can use Steam, your entire library from it, here" as just an included thing, I think they'd suddenly find themselves in a much better position.

If they did that, even if they sell more boxes it'll mean that they'll do a hell of a lot less money on Gold and game sales.

The game would flop hard in today's landscape imo.

Ratchet didn't flop, but that was on PS4

 

[notaskwid]

.

 

[Crayon]

If they did that, even if they sell more boxes it'll mean that they'll do a hell of a lot less money on Gold and game sales.

And millions of new users would be introduced to Steam.

 

[ThatOneGrunt]

Something called franchise fatigue. Nothing is immune to it.

I don't know. There are years in between all of these iterations. For Halo and Gears there has only been one title on the X1 hardware and I get a lot of joy out of seeing these games perform better and with updated visuals. And new Forza Horizon games are great because they move the game to new locations with each iteration. For me there's no fatigue. They're more like episodic games with giant windows in between their releases.

 

[RichiRamjag]

I think this is because some folks have no loyalty and got a PS4 because it costs $100 less than Xbox at launch. Not saying this was the sole reason but a main factor. I wasn't in awe about that stat when I saw the thread. Back in 09 many folks had never played Uncharted 1 and only knew about it because the sequel was such a hit.

I'm of the belief that many of the X360 owners last gen jumped ship to Sony because of 2 main factors. 1. Sony's emphasis on the gamer and 2. The $399 price point. Mind you, I'm also of the belief that these same folks that chose X360 that gen, were mainly Ps2 owners the gen before who jumped ship to Xbox because of 2 main factors. 1. Sony's arrogance going into the PS3 era/being a year late and 2. That $499/$599 price point.

I jumped to Sony because MS was talking features coming into this gen and Sony was talking games. My main systems were Xbox and 360 before that.

 

[Neonep]

I think this is because some folks have no loyalty and got a PS4 because it costs $100 less than Xbox at launch. Not saying this was the sole reason but a main factor. I wasn't in awe about that stat when I saw the thread. Back in 09 many folks had never played Uncharted 1 and only knew about it because the sequel was such a hit.

I'm of the belief that many of the X360 owners last gen jumped ship to Sony because of 2 main factors. 1. Sony's emphasis on the gamer and 2. The $399 price point. Mind you, I'm also of the belief that these same folks that chose X360 that gen, were mainly Ps2 owners the gen before who jumped ship to Xbox because of 2 main factors. 1. Sony's arrogance going into the PS3 era/being a year late and 2. That $499/$599 price point.

To offer a take, I've never owned a Microsoft console. I've only owned Sony & Nintendo consoles.