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[TheCowboyPoet]

-the free game a month is exactly like PS+. As long as you download within that free month it's yours to keep as long as you're subscribed.

I thought it was confirmed you only get to keep the games "for a month"?

 

[BlastProcessing]

"No limits"


Ok, makes sense.


Also HD rumble is the new touch pad and the new XBO rumble triggers.

The XBO controller doesn't have HD rumble in its triggers. It has rumble in the triggers and that is definitely an improvement, but the rumble motors used are the same, traditional, motors that rumble has used since the N64.

The Joycons are most likely going to be using linear actuators, like the ones Apple uses in the Apple Watch and the iPhone 7.

 

[10k]

Damn you, Syrenne! *shakes fist*

 

[OneUh8]

Everything sounds great. Can't wait for March 3rd!

 

[Genio88]

"the free game a month is exactly like PS+. As long as you download within that free month it's yours to keep as long as you're subscribed."
Either she is wrong(which i guess) or even Reggie explained it unclearly himself

 

[Josh7289]

When Nintendo confirmed the free VC game per month was only allowed that month, I'm taking this post with a grain of salt.

Same.

I'm not saying she's intentionally lying but she herself isn't a Nintendo employee so I don't think we can take her word regarding Nintendo's services as gospel.

Reggie said the game is free for only that month, so I'm going with his word lol

 

[Starwolf_UK]

For what it's worth, it does seem like they actually do have a way to track Wii VC purchases on their newer stuff, given you can handle upgrading them to the WiiU without having to be on the system.

You still have to have done a system transfer though. So I would say they have improved the method a bit but it probably still isn't linked to the NNID (which is linked to the Nintendo account...four years and NNID is already thrown under the bus...)

 

[leroidys]

The most interesting part to me was where she said she can't talk about tech in the dock.

 

[SomedayTheFire]

The XBO controller doesn't have HD rumble in its triggers. It has rumble in the triggers and that is definitely an improvement, but the rumble motors used are the same, traditional, motors that rumble has used since the N64.

The Joycons are most likely going to be using linear actuators, like the ones Apple uses in the Apple Watch and the iPhone 7.

I don't think that post was actually comparing the tech behind the two, more the implementation given they said PS4 touch pad too.

 

[Jarod McChicken]

-the free game a month is exactly like PS+. As long as you download within that free month it's yours to keep as long as you're subscribed.

This is wrong, as stated on the Nintendo website, confirmed later by Chris Kohler and even more recently by Reggie on Wired.

Wired
Nintendo's online service for Switch will charge a monthly fee and one of the incentives is one free classic game ”per month." Does that mean you lose access to that game after a month?

Reggie
Correct. It means that essentially you've got access to that game for a period of time, and then after the month there's a new selection. You'll have the opportunity to buy it, but [after] that month we've moved on to another game.

 

[13ruce]

Hopefully that upgrade fee is 1 euro or dollar etc. 2 max anything higher would be insane.

 

[Skittzo0413]

There is way too much conflicting information out here about essentially everything. Nintendo could really use a nice long FAQ.

 

[Arkeband]

The fact that a registered developer either still doesn't have correct or full information about the platform they're developing for reflects so poorly on Nintendo's ability to communicate properly. What a clusterfuck.

 

[Kyzer]

are these all her theories?

 

[Okami Haundo]

There is way too much conflicting information out here about essentially everything. Nintendo could really use a nice long FAQ.

You think so? I've honestly thought that they could stand to just stop talking about certain things for now. I'd rather have no details at all for things like the online service than information that might change because of how far out we are.

Their graphics on the 2017 lineup for Switch also drive me nuts, as they were updating them through the day on Friday. If that lineup/release window isn't set in stone, don't show it off like that! Especially not when you're making multiple changes to it the same day.

I'd be happy with a simple statement along the lines of "we'll have more information to share at a later date".

 

[mrklaw]

This is wrong, as stated on the Nintendo website, confirmed later by Chris Kohler and even more recently by Reggie on Wired.

You could Interprete Reggie's comments to fit a PS+ model

'Lose access to it after a month' could mean 'you can't download it anymore because the next months games are up' but if you already downloaded it, it's yours to keep

 

[deadfolk]

So does the Pro Controller still have Analogue triggers or is that also false?

Would still leave hope for playable GC VC.

 

[atbigelow]

The fact that a registered developer either still doesn't have correct or full information about the platform they're developing for reflects so poorly on Nintendo's ability to communicate properly. What a clusterfuck.

Why does a dev need to know anything about Nintendo's VC or SNES-game-a-month service? Has nothing to do with them.

 

[broncobuster]

IR pointer? Is there a sensor bar?

 

[cw_sasuke]

Losing the game after a month never made sense in the first place.

 

[Jonboy]

Wait...so I know it's Digital triggers for the joycons, but do we have confirmation on the Pro Controller yet?

 

[AcademicSaucer]

If it really works like its being explained I want it in VR.

 

[10k]

Updated OP with Wii U details and motion control being on par with VR units.

 

[casey_contra]

Losing the game after a month never made sense in the first place.

Yeah, it's frustrating that there is this lack of clarity, but maybe it's just fanboys like myself not wanting to face the truth. I think the key word is "access"

"Correct. It means that essentially you’ve got access to that game for a period of time, and then after the month there’s a new selection. You’ll have the opportunity to buy it, but [after] that month we’ve moved on to another game."

Access = ability to download for free?
Access = ability to play?

 

[dan2026]

It still blows my mind that they look at PSN and XBL and think 'lets take that game back off them after a month'.

I can't fathom this.

 

[Goron2000]

Why would she know about how Nintendo are handling virtual console?
Or the financial situation of the Wii U?

 

[Javier]

You could Interprete Reggie's comments to fit a PS+ model

'Lose access to it after a month' could mean 'you can't download it anymore because the next months games are up' but if you already downloaded it, it's yours to keep

This is what I'm wondering as well. Maybe Reggie phrased it wrong?

 

[cw_sasuke]

Yeah, it's frustrating that there is this lack of clarity, but maybe it's just fanboys like myself not wanting to face the truth. I think the key word is "access"

"Correct. It means that essentially you've got access to that game for a period of time, and then after the month there's a new selection. You'll have the opportunity to buy it, but [after] that month we've moved on to another game."

Access = ability to download for free?
Access = ability to play?

This what makes most sense to me - once you downloaded something its part of your account history so them taking it from you doesnt make much sense, unless the games are service based. But since you can buy the game regularly after the month period they should be standard classic games with added features.

You never know with Nintendo...they really should have cleared that up from the start - same with pricing.

I would assume you keep the games - their goal is for people to sign up for the online service and they wont do that if you can only play one game for free a month. But if you have a libary of 15 classic games enhanced with online features per year you are more likely to stick with it in addition Mario Kart/Splatoon/Smash and Co.

 

[mrklaw]

Yeah, it's frustrating that there is this lack of clarity, but maybe it's just fanboys like myself not wanting to face the truth. I think the key word is "access"

"Correct. It means that essentially you’ve got access to that game for a period of time, and then after the month there’s a new selection. You’ll have the opportunity to buy it, but [after] that month we’ve moved on to another game."

Access = ability to download for free?
Access = ability to play?

This is the crucial question

Of course, if it was just like Ps+ or GwG, wouldn't you think Nintendo would be clear about that - using words like 'keep it for as long as you subscribe' etc? That smacks of defensive marketing language which suggests it is limited

 

[plagiarize]

Even if you keep the NES or SNES game after the month, that's still crap compared to what Sony and MS offer.

And there's no way the motion controls can match the Vive or Oculus Touch controllers.

They could absolutely beat everything else, but there's no way these things can do 1:1 motion control, without some major breakthrough in technology, that I think Nintendo would have mentioned.

Motion Plus or PlayStation move < Switch < Touch or Vive controllers

 

[Living Proof]

The XBO controller doesn't have HD rumble in its triggers. It has rumble in the triggers and that is definitely an improvement, but the rumble motors used are the same, traditional, motors that rumble has used since the N64.

The Joycons are most likely going to be using linear actuators, like the ones Apple uses in the Apple Watch and the iPhone 7.

They're not saying that they're the same thing, rather that they're going to end up underutilized and ignored as time goes on. Hard to argue with that, even if it seems to have more potential

 

[Toxi]

On Joy-con's

-HD rumble is the real deal. The bottom of the joycon will vibrate if an ice cube hits the bottom of the glass. And a full glass of ice cubes will make the top of the joycon rumble. Like the joycon becomes the glass. Basically the rumble can vibrate at different intensities but also at different locations instead of being one giant motor.

Okay, so how could this be used in a video game beyond novelty value?

 

[The Hermit]

This only adds more questions than answers.

 

[Tregard]

-Her theory on VC is if you bought a VC game on 3DS or Wii U you'll pay an upgrade fee like you did ON Wii U. However, if you bought the same VC game on both Wii U and 3DS you'll get the Switch VC game for free. If you only bought it on Wii VC you're SOL.

This sounds like an absolute shitshow

 

[Hattori]

so Pro-Con is for sure analog?

 

[suaveric]

Everything said about the VC and the online service was just a guess/theory. This is a developer talking, not a Nintendo employee.

 

[Koobion]

Nintendo, please definitively answer everything all this speculation is too much.

I'm really glad to hear so much positive feedback about the joy cons though.

 

[Dark Cloud]

Analog triggers!

So it does have them?? Or just the Pro Controller??

 

[Axass]

Edit: I'm still listening to the podcast. Some more interesting tidbits.

Maybe you should've waited to post this then? Especially since you quoted her on like 3 different wrong things already.

Honestly, it looks to me like she has no idea what she's talking about. She got the triggers wrong, I'm sure she got the VC and online stuff wrong as well, considering Reggie himself said otherwise.

 

[brad-t]

Okay, so how could this be used in a video game beyond novelty value?

I mean, rumble is a novelty. I'm excited for it — people reporting feeling the "springiness" of Arms got me hyped for its potential — but I can get why people wouldn't care.

 

[Skittzo0413]

You think so? I've honestly thought that they could stand to just stop talking about certain things for now. I'd rather have no details at all for things like the online service than information that might change because of how far out we are.

Their graphics on the 2017 lineup for Switch also drive me nuts, as they were updating them through the day on Friday. If that lineup/release window isn't set in stone, don't show it off like that! Especially not when you're making multiple changes to it the same day.

I'd be happy with a simple statement along the lines of "we'll have more information to share at a later date".

I mean, we have reports of analog triggers and digital triggers, but that's just one of the many confusing and conflicting reports here.

Do you keep the VC games you download for free?

Is there a web browser on the Switch?

Is there a friends list on the Switch?

Does the touch screen have haptic feedback?

Is the touch screen usable for anything?

Anything at all about the virtual console?

I'm sure there are more.

 

[opricnik]

-the free game a month is exactly like PS+. As long as you download within that free month it's yours to keep as long as you're subscribed.


nope? they confirmed you can only play during that month. also How is this exactly like PS+?

PS+ doesnt give you " the free game of month" . They give you bunch of "free" games.
Not 1. not certainly VC game.

 

[Metal B]

So does the Pro Controller still have Analogue triggers or is that also false?

Would still leave hope for playable GC VC.

I just had a wired idea and this could be not as great as i think, but maybe you could simulate a Analog Trigger with Motion Controls?
So based on the game the digital trigger either gets pushed all the way, balanced or just slightly (in SSBM the push would be always strong and with Sunshine it only would be balanced). Then if you tilt the controller into the direction, based on the original position, the strength of the tilt gets translated into the push of the analog button.

This of course would be difficult, if you have games were the L and R Buttons do different analog things (like a racing game), but at least you could simulate some GameCube Games. Nintendo still would have to publish GameCube JoyCons for great simulations of the games ... but it would be a solution.

 

[Pie and Beans]

-Motion tech is on par with Oculus Touch and Vive controllers. Very accurate. Way better than Wii motion plus and PS Move controllers.

Couldn't be true at all. HD Rumble is one thing, but the fact is these things can't be tracked positionally in space, something even the Move achieves due to it relying on the camera, just as Oculus Touch does.

 

[family_guy]

-the free download a month is chosen by Nintendo because if they offered all VC games with online the player base would be split and you'd never find enough people for a match. Whereas with this method, everyone who's downloading the game is part of the same player pool.

Don't quite follow. This sounds like the online component of the game will only be active for a month or its just like we thought originally and the free game is will have to be purchased after the month is over.

 

[Nerazar]

Okay, so how could this be used in a video game beyond novelty value?

Enhancing the immersion of core games and enabling new forms of gameplay.

"Novelty value", btw, is everything. What's the "novelty value" of 1080P graphics? Rumble? VC?

 

[Coffinhal]

"Can't talk specs"

Yeah I wonder why that is

NDA

Stop complotism for anything

 

[JustenP88]

You could see the accuracy of the gyro or whatever on display in a video I saw of the "marble box" mini game, I think from the Japan stream. Sorry I don't have a link

You could see the player/joycon and the depiction of the "box" on the screen at the same time. It was seriously impressive how responsive and accurate it was. Puts the PS Move to total shame (which makes me jealous for my PSVR). You could have videoshopped the model of the box in the game over the controller in the player's handle and it would've been totally believable.

 

[10k]

I mean, rumble is a novelty. I'm excited for it — people reporting feeling the "springiness" of Arms got me hyped for its potential — but I can get why people wouldn't care.

Yeah. It's one of those features that you just can't show on video. You have to experience it for yourself. Like 4k and HDR or happier touch.

 

[fabricated backlash]

The thing about the WiiU gamepad costing 95 bucks to produce is fucking nuts... What the hell were they thinking?