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[jaypah]

The only thing I noticed about any of this stuff, is Playstation execs/devs don't say shit, Xbox execs/devs run their mouth like little bitches non stop. They can't help themselves mouth open all the time shit is nauseating.

I like Playstaion approach, just shut the fuck up already.

Lmao, you get so worked up behind these consoles bruh. I love it! Now you're calling MS employees little bitches like you're in the streets about to bust back because somebody merked one of the homies 😂

I bet you dodge the ban too. At least I hope so because I could use some entertainment to go with this beer.

 

[jayu26]

Remember how PC graphics stayed at PS3 levels until late 2013? Remember how not one cross-platform title released before that point looked / performed markedly better on PC than it did on the PS3?

Nah, me neither.

Actually they did stay at that level. Just because PCs were able to run games better than consoles with a little added graphical bonus didn't mean that they looked a generation ahead (even on top on the line PCs). Heck, games didn't start looking like what they do now until third parties stopped with the cross generation titles.

 

[statham]

At least you're embracing the fact you've becoming a running joke.

negative. captain. I find posts more upset about me more comical. think about it, you are upset that I'm a happy xbox fan, who has the issue?

 

[Relaxed Muscle]

That's a bold strategy.

So I guess that's the plan, offering every 3 years a new gen console with a fully retrocompatible catalogue.

 

[jimmypython]

so its competitor is PS5?

 

[Roberto Larcos]

Actually they did stay at that level. Just because PCs were able to run games better than consoles with a little added graphical bonus didn't mean that looked a generation ahead (even on top on the line PCs). Heck, games didn't start looking like what they do now until third parties stopped with the cross generation titles.

They were held back a bit, but games like Skyrim and Battlefield 3 on PC were leaps and bounds ahead of console.

And even currently, GTA V is far prettier on PC than any console, same goes for Battlefield One, Fallout 4, The Witcher 3. These games can and already are being scale up to take advantage of higher power machines than a PS4.

 

[Shambala]

Damn a new gen this quick. Microsoft got some huge balls 👀

 

[Bits N Pieces]

Read what I wrote, I said "stufff like this" so the jokes on you, corn.

The only thing I noticed about any of this stuff, is Playstation execs/devs don't say shit, Xbox execs/devs run their mouth like little bitches non stop. They can't help themselves mouth open all the time shit is nauseating.

I like Playstaion approach, just shut the fuck up already.

This is gold, lol.

 

[semiconscious]

so: a next-gen console that will conceivably feature next-gen first-party games plus last-gen third-party games (until the next-gen ps)? ...

 

[JusDoIt]

Scorpio is clearly just an Xbox One Pro. All of its games will be spec bumped Xbox One games and there won't be no Scorpio exclusives. Call it a new generation if you need to, tho.

 

[InsaneTiger]

Damn a new gen this quick. Microsoft got some huge balls 👀

Eh, they did with the Xbox one. Four years, then BAM!, Xbox 360.

 

[Papacheeks]

So if it is being treated as a next generational console, does this mean possibly a delay?

Eh, they did with the Xbox one. Four years, then BAM!, Xbox 360.

And that actually worked out for them. I feel that's what Xbox needs is a fresh start on a box and plan that was implemented by the different people in charge who want it to be a console first unlike xbox one's original design and focus.

 

[Dee Dah Dave]

For context though, the conversation in that topic that was happening was whether the Scorpio should be considered a new generation or not going by what MS said and whether the Pro would qualify.

I even posted in that topic, something along the lines of if MS is switching over to the iterative formula, then yes, the Scorpio is considered MS' next gen console. If Sony is sticking to the traditional gen formula, then the Pro is not a next-gen console.

This topic, however is about a "full-blown next generation" console. Which implies massive leaps in tech and power compared to the last gen consoles, and even if we only consider the base xbox one in isolation (which is not being done even by the very comment in that started this thread), 4 times the power from that is a pretty crappy step up, and far from "full-blown" step up.

4.5X the power in 4 years is the same delta as 8X+ in 8 years. Hardware wise the Scorpio could be called a next gen machine. I think that term is rather flexible and somewhat redundant these days anyway, and certainly open to interpretation by any of these devs.

Anyway I don't know just thought it was worth adding!

 

[jayu26]

They were held back a bit, but games like Skyrim and Battlefield 3 on PC were leaps and bounds ahead of console.

And even currently, GTA V is far prettier on PC than any console, same goes for Battlefield One, Fallout 4, The Witcher 3. These games can and already are being scale up to take advantage of higher power machines than a PS4.

Not just a bit. For all the shit Fallout 4 gets for its graphics (and all of it is deserved), it does look (the lighting, the environments, etc) substantially better than Skyrim vanilla.

Now compare GTA V on PC with Watch Dogs 2. Heck, there was a thread about it recently.

Edit: Is the argument that will they look and run better on Scorpio or is that they will look a generation ahead on Scropio? Because even The Witcher does not look like a generation ahead on top of the line PCs compare to consoles.

 

[ROUGE_BLOCK]

Well it's what we expected since the power leap is comparable to that of a new generation from the standard XB1 to the promised upgrade of the Scorpio. However, they need to be careful marketing it if is essentially a whole new Xbox. I mean they have come out and said it was a stop gap and their whole "beyond generations" tagline and not a whole new machine so maybe things have changed?

To be honest I think the Scorpio needs a press event of its own as soon as March or April, we need more details prompto.

 

[SOR5]

Read what I wrote, I said "stufff like this" so the jokes on you, corn.

The only thing I noticed about any of this stuff, is Playstation execs/devs don't say shit, Xbox execs/devs run their mouth like little bitches non stop. They can't help themselves mouth open all the time shit is nauseating.

I like Playstaion approach, just shut the fuck up already.

Both sides throw jabs and both sides share compliments, don't be silly

Shit the majority of them are reading this and laughing at all the in-fighting because they're happy and rich and they all hang out.

Market competitors/=/enemies

 

[KageMaru]

Just because a dev views this as a next gen leap, that doesn't make this a next gen console.

I don't understand why so many people are convinced or even want Scorpio to be a next gen console.

 

[345triangle]

Again, do you think Scorpio won't play the same games as Scorpio II?

This logic has been abandoned, compatibility is rolling across generations of devices ala iPhone now

This sudden cut-off point everyones anticipating wont happen unless x86 architecture becomes obsolete.

there are cut-off points on iphones too. for years the standard was ipad 2/iphone 4S (first dual-core A-series chips), now the most demanding games tend to require a 5S/ipad air or above (first 64-bit). obviously it's less of an issue on that platform though, since most apps and games by their nature will run on most stuff — but even then, apple has its own cut-off points for new versions of the OS, which eventually means older hardware gets left behind with new apps.

they could mandate compatibility with the original xb1 forever and allow games to run like shit on it, but i don't think that'd be a great solution. hardware configurations are still going to be limited, so it should be easy enough somewhere down the line to flag old boxes as not being capable.

 

[JABEE]

I think the positioning of Scorpio as a new device and not a charged up version of an old console is more interesting news than the PS4 Pro being an underwhelming upgrade according to a developer.

Scropio being a next generation console separate from the Xbox One is a complete direction change from the message at E3.

 

[Bgamer90]

Read what I wrote, I said "stufff like this" so the jokes on you, corn.

You need to relax.

____________________

Scorpio is clearly just an Xbox One Pro. All of its games will be spec bumped Xbox One games and there won't be no Scorpio exclusives. Call it a new generation if you need to, tho.

Again, it seems that it will be acceptable to call it a next gen leap in power over the original Xbox One. I don't think they will call this a true new next gen Xbox as the Xbox One will still be the base for game and accessory compatibility.

 

[Sangetsu-II]

have you not heard that term from Sony peeps? pretty sure I was paying respects.

How are you not banned?

Your Salty/Troll/Trigger posts are the reason we have "Scorpio" posts on almost every console related thread.

Take a chill pill please.

 

[bryanee]

negative. captain. I find posts more upset about me more comical. think about it, you are upset that I'm a happy xbox fan, who has the issue?

I imagine folks are more annoyed by the fact you made a one word post in a thread to derail it and then piss off to Twitter and link back to the thread and said if you want a block list you should start there.

No one cares you're a happy Xbox fan even if you are quite the childish one.

 

[tapedeck]

I don't get why people are hung up on whether Scorpio is a 'new gen' or not...

Why can't it just be very powerful console that is capable of 'next gen' visuals while ALSO being fully compatible with Xbox One games?

 

[notaskwid]

Is this viral marketing?

 

[SOR5]

there are cut-off points on iphones too. for years the standard was ipad 2/iphone 4S (first dual-core A-series chips), now the most demanding games tend to require a 5S or above (first 64-bit).

they could mandate compatibility with the original xb1 forever and allow games to run like shit on it, but i don't think that'd be a great solution. hardware configurations are still going to be limited, so it should be easy enough somewhere down the line to flag old boxes as not being capable.

I mean yes the Xbox One will be dropped eventually of course it will, but the Xbox isnt going to ever have that traditional generation of putting all your old consoles and accessories and saved games etc. in a box and then buying the new one every 5 years. Its going to be varying degrees of forwards and backwards compatibility

 

[Papacheeks]

Just because a dev views this as a next gen leap, that doesn't make this a next gen console.

I don't understand why so many people are convinced or even want Scorpio to be a next gen console.

Because xbox one will always have a stink to it. Especially with everything that has changed and is currently happening with it's software, and it's direction.

Original XBox did this and it actually worked out for them. I think this could work too.

They have nothing to lose at this point. Especially if it stays x86, xbox one s will still sell for people who want a cheap console that still plays games well.

 

[InsaneTiger]

So if it is being treated as a next generational console, does this mean possibly a delay?



And that actually worked out for them. I feel that's what Xbox needs is a fresh start on a box and plan that was implemented by the different people in charge who want it to be a console first unlike Xbox one's original design and focus.

I wasn't saying that it didn't work out, it clearly did, I was just responding to the fella that said it was a quick gen. MS has the money to start over if they need to and the need to "get it right." But ultimately the next box is just sell software (and services). Hardware is just a means to an end. MS ultimately wants you to be able to buy a game and play it either on your PC or your Xbox-branded console device.

 

[ROUGE_BLOCK]

Is this viral marketing?

Yo, stealth marketing starting from ground zero, GAF itself.

That would be cool

 

[Elandyll]

Just because a dev views this as a next gen leap, that doesn't make this a next gen console.

I don't understand why so many people are convinced or even want Scorpio to be a next gen console.

#shrug
People will read what they want.
As long as it's mandated to be having no exclusives, it's an incremental upgrade (albeit a big increment compared to XB1), like the Pro.

Now if Spencer went back on his words, and Scorpio was having exclusives (outside of VR), it certainly would create an interesting situation.

 

[Compsiox]

I just hope the next-gen consoles being bigger and badder and releasing faster allows PC to become bigger and badder with even better ports.

 

[CrispyBoar]

Great, now we can double down on turning consoles into shit PCs. /s


I guess Valve will be happy with all the new people who are leaving the console space.

I think this gen will be my last for either Microsoft or Sony consoles in general.

I'll be going the Nintendo platforms + PC combo.

 

[InsaneTiger]

I don't get why people are hung up on whether Scorpio is a 'new gen' or not...

Why can't it just be very powerful console that is capable of 'next gen' visuals while ALSO being fully compatible with Xbox One games?

The quote under your name reminds me of why we do. Just comparing sizes.

 

[Peltz]

If seen this way, MS will never have any new next gen consoles then.

Yes. That is correct.

New console gens should offer new ways of playing games. Staying locked into iterative consoles with full forward compatibility is stagnation.

If every game must be compatible with Xbox One, then it will cripple game development in a few years. So I continue to stand by my stance.

 

[Spyder_Monkey]

Great, now we can double down on turning consoles into shit PCs. /s


I guess Valve will be happy with all the new people who are leaving the console space.

I don't get this mentality. It's even worse on PC.

 

[SOR5]

I don't get why people are hung up on whether Scorpio is a 'new gen' or not...

Why can't it just be very powerful console that is capable of 'next gen' visuals while ALSO being fully compatible with Xbox One games?

I think its contextually important to determine whether or not Scorpio is MS' PS4 Pro in every sense

or whether its a console technically similar to the PS4 Pro but its going to be designated as their flagship console in all marketing and beyond and how it will be forwards compatible.

Its just that people waiting for that traditional next-gen moment need to realise that's not going to happen with Xbox anymore

 

[III-V]

I don't get why people are hung up on whether Scorpio is a 'new gen' or not...

Why can't it just be very powerful console that is capable of 'next gen' visuals while ALSO being fully compatible with Xbox One games?

You just said it yourself. It can possibly be a next gen console that is fully compatible with X1 games, this implies that Scorpio has its own games as well - that potentially cannot be played on the old X1 console.

Thats the big deal, thats the difference.

Historically, there have been backwards compatible consoles, but none have offered forward compatibility. So its either an X1 or its a new console. Right now it is shaping up to be its own beast.

PS4 Pro is very much a PS4. This is different.

 

[Bgamer90]

I don't get why people are hung up on whether Scorpio is a 'new gen' or not...

Why can't it just be very powerful console that is capable of 'next gen' visuals while ALSO being fully compatible with Xbox One games?

Not sure. Isn't really confusing (at least to me).

Some people that seem to be confused bought an Xbox One and/or PS4 to play cross gen games anyway since they wanted an early power leap. Scorpio doesn't need exclusives to be a next gen leap in power over the original Xbox One.

 

[daTRUballin]

For heaven's sake, is Scorpio a new console or an upgrade? Come on MS. Just come out and confirm the truth once and for all so that all this debating can stop.

 

[Anth0ny]

good, I hope so.

 

[Tagyhag]

If they really want to market it as a full blown next generation console, they have to make it clear that eventually Scorpio will get titles that don't run on the Xbox One.

The only thing I noticed about any of this stuff, is Playstation execs/devs don't say shit, Xbox execs/devs run their mouth like little bitches non stop. They can't help themselves mouth open all the time shit is nauseating.

I like Playstaion approach, just shut the fuck up already.

Yo Chad Warden's back!

 

[Proelite]

Switch: Iruka Sensei
Xbox One: pre-Shippuden Naruto
Xbox One S: Shippuden start Naruto
PS4: Shippuden start Sasuke
PS4 pro: Sasuke with Itachi's eyes
Scorpio: Naruto with Kyubi Chakara Sage mode
PC: Edo tensei zombie Madara.

 

[heidern]

Is it realistic for a jump from 8GB RAM to 12GB RAM to constitute a "full blown next generation"?

 

[Moor-Angol]

All Wii games can be played on the Wii U, is it not a next gen console compared to the Wii? Incoming, b-but power.

PS1 games were playable on PS2
probably PS2 was just un update from PS1 hw

 

[Fdkn]

I don't get why people are hung up on whether Scorpio is a 'new gen' or not...

Why can't it just be very powerful console that is capable of 'next gen' visuals while ALSO being fully compatible with Xbox One games?

Also? Nobody has anything against it being compatible with Xbox One games, backwards compatibility is not new thing lol

The thing is that it's not a new generation because there will be no Scorpio games

 

[boredandlazy]

negative. captain. I find posts more upset about me more comical. think about it, you are upset that I'm a happy xbox fan, who has the issue?

I'm almost upset enough to ask people on twitter to block happy Xbox fans.
I should be ashamed of myself.

 

[Toki767]

Is it realistic for a jump from 8GB RAM to 12GB RAM to constitute a "full blown next generation"?

To be fair, it isn't simply 8GB RAM to 12GB RAM.

It's 8GB of DDR3 to 12GB of GDDR5.

 

[notaskwid]

Not sure. Isn't really confusing (at least to me).

Nothing confusing about it. Every beginning of a new gen you see early adopters complaining about cross gen games holding their shiny new toy back and people not wanting to jump in because they're getting most of the new games. This would just exacerbate the issue.

 

[Fat4all]

Switch: Iruka Sensei
Xbox One: pre-Shippuden Naruto
Xbox One S: Shippuden start Naruto
PS4: Shippuden start Sasuke
PS4 pro: Sasuke with Itachi's eyes
Scorpio: Naruto with Kyubi Chakara Sage mode
PC: Edo tensei zombie Madara.

I wish I didn't understand this

 

[Papacheeks]

I wasn't saying that it didn't work out, it clearly did, I was just responding to the fella that said it was a quick gen. MS has the money to start over if they need to and the need to "get it right." But ultimately the next box is just sell software (and services). Hardware is just a means to an end. MS ultimately wants you to be able to buy a game and play it either on your PC or your Xbox-branded console device.

I understand that's been the end game, but in all honesty if this was their true vision and not a kneejerk reaction to competition which Play anywhere is IMHO things would be much better.

The store wouldn't be complete shit, games would actually work properly. They have made no attempts to try and remedy this, and that's because the store was made originally for apps, and smaller games, not full on AAA titles.

They created this out of necessity because their franchises, console, and other game software were not selling.

If it was their intention from the beginning of this gen, then they failed miserably. I think starting over fresh is the best thing actually.

The issue is MS's initiative has already kind of failed for wanting xbox to be just a platform, so really going all in on another console is the best course. If it fails we will see gears of war on steam possibly in the future since there isn't going to be some kind of new storefront. Unless xbox on OC becomes all of that, which would be after and if scorpio fails.

 

[statham]

I imagine folks are more annoyed by the fact you made a one word post in a thread to derail it and then piss off to Twitter and link back to the thread and said if you want a block list you should start there.

No one cares you're a happy Xbox fan even if you are quite the childish one.

right.