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[Bgamer90]

Doesn't matter what it is, it's not selling.

This gen is sewn up, you don't introduce either a new console or a mid gen upgrade and expect to best a console like the PS4 which is in its prime years.

Uhhh... I don't think they are trying to do that. They simply want to continue on selling Xbox consoles in territories in which the brand is relevant. What makes you think that they are trying to instantly overtake the PS4 in overall sales?

The power level is totally irrelevant, it's about the games, and Sony has them all, both 1st and 3rd party.

They don't have Microsoft's games and they don't have Nintendo's so...

At this point I honestly don't understand why badella is even allowing the Xbox division to continue existing.

Haha, oh boy.

 

[PeregrinSe7en]

Avatar bet for 1 month.

PS Bro sold 238k, Pro systems in December, I bet Scorpio doubles that for December. (NPD of course, 2017)

xbox scorpio... for the low low price of $499.00 usd!

people will be more than excited to spend that much money on such a next gen machine!

meanwhile poor sony and their pro selling for $249.00 usd and everyone turning their back on them lolol.

they got them by the balls Jason!

 

[Shpeshal Nick]

But all Xbox One games can be played on Scorpio, so no.

Um. That's called backwards compatibility.

I'm not arguing Scorpio IS a next gen machine, I'm just saying that "Xbox One games play on it" isn't an argument against that.

PlayStation 1 games play on PS3. Is PS3 not 2 generations above PS1?

 

[jroc74]

Um. That's called backwards compatibility.

I'm not arguing Scorpio IS a next gen machine, I'm just saying that "Xbox One games play on it" isn't an argument against that.

PlayStation 1 games play on PS3. Is PS3 not 2 generations above PS1?

And thats why I mentioned before I dont quite understand whats forward compatibility. B/C is easy to grasp.

 

[Bastables]

PS1 games were playable on PS2
probably PS2 was just un update from PS1 hw

Considering the list of compatibility issues that changed depending on the ps2 model your arguments not really correct.

 

[Shpeshal Nick]

And thats why I mentioned before I dont quite understand whats forward compatibility. B/C is easy to grasp.

This is the thing. Forwards compatibility IS backwards compatibility.

It's just what they're calling backwards.compatibility while we're still with Xbox One. It's basically a kind of spin to make people feel safe about their Xbox One console and games purchases.

"Buy this game now knowing it'll will play on your next console going forward".

While games are still being developed for Xbox One as the lead platform, you call it forwards compatibility. Once Xbox One is discontinued, it becomes backwards compatibility.

 

[Niks]

MS-funded dev talks up MS' next console.

News at 11.

He gets extra points for talking trash about the competition!

 

[Thebeardofknowledge]

GAF said "good luck selling the S when you announced the Scorpio in the same conference".
GAF said "good luck selling the console when you announced all your exclusives are coming to PC".

Yet Xbox keeps soldiering on. How odd.

You call selling 45-50 million this generation with 3 consoles and 30+ million less than the previous gen soldiering on ?

 

[Dash_Riprock]

He gets extra points for talking trash about the competition!

Didn't Spencer say that he hated "console war" shit? Dude needs to learn to reign his people in lest they humiliate themselves later.

 

[Head.spawn]

Which gaffers website is that? lol

literal gaf post > internet > gaf

Should've screenshotted his post for maximum lols.

 

[Iacobellis]

God damn it. I feel like this generation just got started and Microsoft and Nintendo are already chugging fast into "next gen".

Lol Sony is killing it with the PS4 and I don't see them dropping the PS4 anytime soon.

This generation definitely took a minute to get some new IPs and push out exclusives that made it worth getting a new console to begin with. And now it feels like the next will slowly be upon us...

 

[hanspampel]

MS-funded dev talks up MS' next console.

News at 11.

oh yeah. we should only take Sony-funded devs, who don't have the hardware at all, serious when they talk about Xbox Scorpio... /s

beside exclusive devs and the big ones, no one else knows any details about the upcoming console.
so what exactly do you expect? but yeah i don't expect an answer from you at all

You call selling 45-50 million this generation with 3 consoles and 30+ million less than the previous gen soldiering on ?

xb360 had also 5 different consoles
xb360 sold 84m in 8 1/2 years
you already know xbox one will sell 30+ million less in that timeframe?


can you lend me your crystal ball?

 

[Outrun]

I think that the sooner that we understand that MS has their own gameplan, the better.

Sony, Nintendo, and MS can all coexist in this videogame space.

It is not as if "if you are not first, you're last" mentality exists in the corporate world.

 

[psynergylover]

The scale of the console is unbounded!

Spoiler

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[N.Domixis]

Just because a dev views this as a next gen leap, that doesn't make this a next gen console.

I don't understand why so many people are convinced or even want Scorpio to be a next gen console.

I know, its strange isn't it. I thought xbox was doing really good. Like better than 360.

 

[Shao Kahn Brewing a Stew]

Time will tell...

 

[Crayon]

Microsoft has made a fine mess. I can't wait to see how they try to market this.

 

[Matt]

I guess it really depends what "next-gen" means to you.

Because to me, that's not the case.

 

[GHG]

Oh boy. Reads like fanboy musings. Not a good look.

Maybe they should focus on making sure their sequel to Ori is "full blown" and doesn't end up being "half assed"?

 

[ResoRai]

Just because a dev views this as a next gen leap, that doesn't make this a next gen console.

I don't understand why so many people are convinced or even want Scorpio to be a next gen console.

Huh? I don't understand the bolded. Why not?

 

[Nutter]

The guy says the best stuff about the console his games are on? SHOCKING

Yeah I mean, other guys don't do this.. oh wait they do.

 

[Pie and Beans]

They don't even have a lineup to satisfy a year, let alone enough to justify a launch line-up for a "new generation".

These mid-generation boxes are just shit moves in general.

 

[Shao Kahn Brewing a Stew]

Yeah I mean, other guys don't do this.. oh wait they do.

Sure. But the fact of the matter is, here's some biased discussion that's been thrown around as fact.

Regardless of the situation, I feel bad for OG Xbox One users. Never again would I pay attention to Microsoft at the start of a generation.

 

[hanspampel]

I guess it really depends what "next-gen" means to you.

Because to me, that's not the case.

useless discussion without stating, what next gen means for you
so what would be "next-gen" for you?

I thought the Xbone was around 26 million?

yes, superdata estimates xbox one sell through at 26m as of 2016

 

[SmokedMeat]

You call selling 45-50 million this generation with 3 consoles and 30+ million less than the previous gen soldiering on ?

I thought the Xbone was around 26 million?

 

[spannicus]

I just want to watch the Sony burn.

 

[PeakPointMatrix]

Lol so then what. Devs have to choose whether to develop an actual next-gen game or "last gen" for the One/PS4? Besides IQ and framerate bumps, there's no way devs won't continue leading development on Sony's side. The only people that will actually take advantage of this power gulf will be MS first parties. What a weird generation, spanning from the Switch to the Pro, to the Scorpio...

 

[Proelite]

I guess it really depends what "next-gen" means to you.

Because to me, that's not the case.

Give me an example of a spec you think would be the minimum of next generation.

 

[Matt]

useless discussion without stating, what next gen means for you
so what would be "next-gen" for you?

An actual new platform without forward compatibility has been the traditional definition.

Scorpio and the Pro are both mid gen refreshes. Yes, the Scorpio is a larger technical jump ahead (as it should be, it's coming out a year later for I think a higher cost), but I really don't understand the disdainful attitude some have taken towards the Pro while praising Scorpio with the same breath.

 

[kpaadet]

Didn't think MS was desperate enough to kick start a new gen already, but then again many of that Ori dev posts come across as very shill-ish so who knows if it's true or not.

 

[Thebeardofknowledge]

xb360 had also at least 4 different consoles
xb360 sold 84m in 8 1/2 years
you already know xbox one will sell 30+ million less in that timeframe?


can you lend me your crystal ball?

Going into the 4th year and Xbox is at what ? 25-26 million ? And you think Some how MS is gonna pull another 30-50 million consoles out of thin air in 3 years ?

 

[shandy706]

Lol so then what. Devs have to choose whether to develop an actual next-gen game or "last gen" for the One/PS4? Besides IQ and framerate bumps, there's no way devs won't continue leading development on Sony's side. The only people that will actually take advantage of this power gulf will be MS first parties. What a weird generation, spanning from the Switch to the Pro, to the Scorpio...

I'd think 3rd parties develop like they always did. The games are built to support a large range of GPUs and specifications (PC build), then optimized for specific platforms.

To make it simple word wise..you basically tweak all the "graphics settings" to what works per system.

"Med-high" X1/Base PS4
"High-Very High" PS4 Pro
"High-Ultra" Scorpio

 

[justsomeguy]

useless discussion without stating, what next gen means for you

And this really is the crux of ALL of these threads.

Xbox have been clear in their definition - they are saying it's the end of generations, meaning the end of throwing all your kit & games away each time a new console launches. Exactly like a PC is now.

Others use it to imply certain jumps in power and or technology.

Which is why half of these kinds of thread arguing about if it's a new generation just read kind of silly & circular. It's like... Ok dude, use the word "generation" however you like. Just tell us what you personally mean by it when you use it.

 

[Crayon]

useless discussion without stating, what next gen means for you
so what would be "next-gen" for you?

New games. As in "I need to buy next gen to play this new game? That sucks. Okay."

 

[Unfriendly TimeTraveler]

Sometimes I'm really baffled by how quick people are to dismiss stuff from people. It's almost like a decent amount of people here have a huge hard on for shooting down anything from a certain company...

Dude says something About the Scorpio (shit we still have no concrete info about the full thing) then knocks on the pro for being half of an upgrade (kinda is) and all of a sudden people want to just send snide remarkes his way.

Hardly damage control or being obedient when it's a short comment on how he feels on the subject.

 

[JABEE]

An actual new platform without forward compatibility has been the traditional definition.

Scorpio and the Pro are both mid gen refreshes. Yes, the Scorpio is a larger technical jump ahead (as it should be, it's coming out a year later for I think a higher cost), but I really don't understand the disdainful attitude some have taken towards the Pro while praising Scorpio with the same breath.

This is what I find interesting about a developer saying it's actually a "next-generation" console.

I believe that is the differentiator that is unanimously applied for that kind of terminology in console gaming, because a charged up Xbox One running Xbox One games is a reasonably more powerful PS4 Pro, not a generational leap.

This would be completely different from what was announced. We know VR games will not work on Xbox One, so there will be Scorpio Only games. I'm interested to see if there is more wiggle room in terms of games that can only run on Scorpio.

 

[Liabe Brave]

This is the thing. Forwards compatibility IS backwards compatibility.

It's just what they're calling backwards.compatibility while we're still with Xbox One. It's basically a kind of spin to make people feel safe about their Xbox One console and games purchases.

"Buy this game now knowing it'll will play on your next console going forward".

While games are still being developed for Xbox One as the lead platform, you call it forwards compatibility. Once Xbox One is discontinued, it becomes backwards compatibility.

This is completely wrong. Forward compatibility is not the same as backwards compatibility, and the two do not shade into each other. It's really quite simple:

BC is when a new device works with old supplies.
FC is when an old device works with new supplies.

The "supplies" in this case are games, but don't have to be; you can think of toner cartridges, or razor blades, or broadcast frequencies, etc.

The FC Microsoft promises is not a feature of Scorpio, but of current Xbox Ones. They will be able to play all games released for Scorpio. As soon as any game comes out that runs on Scorpio but not earlier machines, FC is lost from those older devices. This is regardless of what features Scorpio has.

 

[Proelite]

An actual new platform without forward compatibility has been the traditional definition.

Scorpio and the Pro are both mid gen refreshes. Yes, the Scorpio is a larger technical jump ahead (as it should be, it's coming out a year later for I think a higher cost), but I really don't understand the disdainful attitude some have taken towards the Pro while praising Scorpio with the same breath.

Considering the jump in resolution, a console with 16x the power would only push about 4x graphical power per pixel. 2x if you you want a game that goes from 1080p 30fps to 4k 60fps.

This 1080p to 4k jump would make any new generation console seem middling.

 

[W.S.]

Didn't Spencer say that he hated "console war" shit? Dude needs to learn to reign his people in lest they humiliate themselves later.

Haha "reign in his people", is this some sort of gang war? Regardless of whether they work on a MS owned IP they're independent devs. Didn't stop Kamiya from talking shit about MS either.

Oh boy. Reads like fanboy musings. Not a good look.

Maybe they should focus on making sure their sequel to Ori is "full blown" and doesn't end up being "half assed"?

Maybe they should say what they want and all the while continue to make another great Ori game?

 

[Raven77]

I was just saying this was going to happen in a thread about Scorpio exclusives. This isn't a confirmation I don't think, but I still think this makes the most sense for Microsoft to do this.

 

[SSM25]

He gets extra points for talking trash about the competition!

I bet they probably will develop for Sony in the near future

 

[Liabe Brave]

Xbox have been clear in their definition - they are saying it's the end of generations, meaning the end of throwing all your kit & games away each time a new console launches. Exactly like a PC is now.

It's not necessarily exactly like PC. For example, many folks think Microsoft will eventually phase out original Xbox One, make Scorpio the new baseline, and put out an even more powerful "Scorpio 2". Though some call that "generationless", it's nothing of the sort. It's just lengthy generations with multiple hardware within each step.

By contrast, with the PC platform there's no such thing as "phase out". Newer games just stress old hardware further and further until they're unplayable (but that can take a very long time).

Also, "throwing all your games away" has never been the definition of generations. Many new-gen consoles have had backwards compatibility. It's the lack of forward compatibility in the old machines that defines generations.

 

[hanspampel]

Going into the 4th year and Xbox is at what ? 25-26 million ? And you think Some how MS is gonna pull another 30-50 million consoles out of thin air in 3 years ?

those stupid gifs aren't funny at all

30 yes
50 probably not
and in the next 5 years. not the next 3
xbox 360 was at 28.5m shipped! going into year 4

the growth for MS will come from pc and mobile anyway
console userbase is consolidating and not growing

An actual new platform without forward compatibility has been the traditional definition.

Scorpio and the Pro are both mid gen refreshes. Yes, the Scorpio is a larger technical jump ahead (as it should be, it's coming out a year later for I think a higher cost), but I really don't understand the disdainful attitude some have taken towards the Pro while praising Scorpio with the same breath.

okay fair. so the traditional new gen approach.
forward compatibility will likely be abandon at some time unlike backwards compatibility

just like the IOS ecosystem as example
all old apps still work on your newest phone
but some of the newest apps and updated don't work on the oldest hardware anymore


but it will not be any hard cut for microsoft

 

[Xaero Gravity]

Edit: Not worth dealing with you.

 

[HeisenbergWW62]

Hopefully this hasn't been posted yet but I don't feel like reading 9 pages

 

[Pacotez]

An actual new platform without forward compatibility has been the traditional definition.

Scorpio and the Pro are both mid gen refreshes. Yes, the Scorpio is a larger technical jump ahead (as it should be, it's coming out a year later for I think a higher cost), but I really don't understand the disdainful attitude some have taken towards the Pro while praising Scorpio with the same breath.

"traditional definition" just for one gen, the last one. And only for xbox360 and PS3;
But yeah I'm on team #notnexgen

Edit: actually nvm, you said foward compatibility and I somehow understood BC

 

[Maximilian Kolbe]

Not sure what are you guys arguing.

"Generation" is meaningless term for MS now, you can think Scorpio is next-gen or not next-gen, but it doesn't matter for them.
Since Scorpio MS will very likely lining up their console like iPhone(not as fast as iPhone of course, i guess will be something like 3-4 years for each new Xbox console).

 

[Pacotez]

Going into the 4th year and Xbox is at what ? 25-26 million ? And you think Some how MS is gonna pull another 30-50 million consoles out of thin air in 3 years ?

To be fair, PS3 did it. The thing is, MS has no games to pull a PS3

 

[Matt]

Not sure what are you guys arguing.

"Generation" is meaningless term for MS now, you can think Scorpio is next-gen or not next-gen, but it doesn't matter for them.
Since Scorpio MS will very likely lining up their console like iPhone(not as fast as iPhone of course, i guess will be something like 3-4 years for each new Xbox console).

Considering that the original XBO won't run software made for whatever comes after the Scorpio (if something comes after Scorpio), the idea of "generations" still means something.

 

[shandy706]

To be fair, PS3 did it. The thing is, MS has no games to pull a PS3

The X1 has like 50 games in the first 3 months of 2017. The PS4 has more, but the idea that either system has no games is ridiculous. Heck, the X1 will probably have a surge of exclusives late in life like the PS3. How would you know otherwise?