UserDoesNotExist
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Did I read a different article from the rest of GAF? I don't see how the Digital Foundry article clearly proves that the Scorpio is a half-measure of a system OR a generational shift.
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NeoGAF Post by Ori Dev: Scorpio is a "full blown next generation Console
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The stink is mostly there for people who want it to be there, namely console warriors or people who don't like MS. There is little they could do to win these people over. Otherwise I see most XBO owners being happy with their purchase. I'm not saying it's a guaranteed fix or that they would even do this, but doubling down on software would be their best bet going forward.
There are major differences between the OG Xbox and the XBO. MS were losing money hand over fist on the OG, that isn't happening now AFAIK. The Xbox/PS2/GC generation was nearing it's end, that isn't the case with this generation. The development community may not have been entirely prepared for the next generation back then, but they were willing to move their development focus. Again that's not happening this generation when most of the focus will still be on the PS4 and XBO.
They have plenty to lose by jumping the gun on next gen. Consumer confidence, especially for those who purchased an S model in the latter half of last year, will be damaged. They would get a lot of bad press for going back on their promise made last E3 and rightfully so. They would also lose out in the tech race again when Sony officially launches their next gen console.
People who want Scorpio to be a next gen console are either dreaming or trolling.
Interesting, but not in a good way for MS =p.
See my explanation above.
Thebeardofknowledge
Banned
those stupid gifs aren't funny at all
30 yes
50 probably not
and in the next 5 years. not the next 3
xbox 360 was at 28.5m shipped! going into year 4
I'm glad you like them 😉
-You think this generation is gonna last another 5 years ?
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
by your own accounts you just basically said you think xbox will land at around 55 million so that's what again ? Roughly 30 million less Than the previous generation. I guess I didn't need that crystal ball huh smartass ?
MS doesn't have the games or world wide brand recognition/power
Indeed. Halo 6, Gears of War 5, Forza Horizon 4 and Sea of Thieves will blow our minds and help Xbox reclaim its spot as king.
spazimoose
Member
If Scorpio was a "full blown next generation" console would we even be able to tell? We can't define gens like we used to. Graphical leaps are no longer as meaningful, we're on x86 now. The og Xbox One could very well be playing games that target Xboxes 2-3 iterations down the line (albeit scaled). This could be the case for the Pro as well. What platform holders are planning or will do remains to be seen. Only time will tell what Scorpio and Pro are or are not.
I think I'll miss generations but you #cantkillprogress
Because PS3 have late Japanese developer on its back, something that Xbox One clearly lack.
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If this is true, does Scorpio will even benefited from such generation leap in power when there's no game developed exclusively on that system? Scalebound was so deep into its production yet it was cancelled like it was nothing. There's Gears, Halo, and Forza but how far can these three games carry Scorpio with their incremental increase and futile attempt reaching ultra realistic photo graphic?
The system should be what MS said it would be. It will be the most powerful console on the market for a while. It's a big jump from X1/base PS4, and a significant jump from the Pro.
That's basically the gist of it. For some reason you have people that thought it was going to be more than it is, and some people that seem to want to dismiss it as being anything at all.
So we're just going to ignore Sea of Thieves, State of Decay 2, Crackdown, and other future Microsoft exclusives?
Are you also saying that they're not going to announce any exclusives at all for some reason at E3?
I meant system seller games. I don't think what MS has left is meaningful. Halo and Gears don't have the same appeal they once did and MS new ips aren't very system sellers.
Meanwhile, Sony had Uncharted, Tlou, God of War, etc with the hype for the sequels carrying over to this gen and new ips being overhyped (horizon).
Mass Effect
Member
Here we go again, with this confusion. I really hope Microsoft comes out and gives a definitive stance on what the Scorpio is soon.
While those exclusives certainly didn't hurt things, I'm sure it was Playstation's worldwide brand appeal that was mostly responsible for the PS3's turn-around.
While those exclusives certainly didn't hurt things, I'm sure it was Playstation's worldwide brand appeal that was mostly responsible for the PS3's turn-around.
I think "gens" may just be defined as a point where the hardware manufacturer says devs don't have to support hardware before a certain point.
Like, what if Sony came out with the PS5 and said developers making PS5 games could scale them to run differently between PS5 and PS4, but didn't require them to?
GHG
Member
Yeh sure, commenting on systems you don't develop for is a great way to go about that.
HeisenbergWW62
Banned
Halo 6 and Forza 7 gonna be 🔥🔥🔥
Yawn. Hopefully they show us something fresh and new
Yeah actually it was many things, even people going for a second or third console helping PS3 sales in the end.
MS doesn't have the same worldwide brand appeal tho. They might be into something with the W10 and whatever they have planned for the store and xbox environment.
jabberwocker
Banned
What? what?
Developer for Xbox exclusive says it is better than the pro because it's not a half step but then says the Scorpio is based on the same framework of the Xbox one? What in the actual fuck man? He somehow contradicted himself in the same senetence. That's special.
Developer for Xbox exclusive says it is better than the pro because it's not a half step but then says the Scorpio is based on the same framework of the Xbox one? What in the actual fuck man? He somehow contradicted himself in the same senetence. That's special.
Microsoft won't catch Sony this gen. Not a chance.
Many of the console exclusives they have are incredible though. There's a reason I bought an Xbox and a PS4. Both companies put out some stellar games.
State of Decay 2 is my most anticipated Zombie game. It has a chance to do what all the other base bulding survival games have failed at (minus SoD 1).
Ah...I see. We're just here to be jerks. I suppose I should take my multi Hardware self somewhere else huh?
Guess I'll go back to the Yakuza 0 thread and enjoy my games.
ThatStupidLion
Member
BC buddy.
Really hope its considered a next gen. Love all the shaking up in this industry
But imagine playing those games at true 4K with all the power of Scorpio behind them. None of this upscaling chessboard crap. Those pixels will be so crisp and clean you'll f e e l fresh after each session.
HeisenbergWW62
Banned
Hells yeah. Those uncompressed and highest quality pixels. Will look better than real life probably
Yep. Sea of Thieves, State of Decay and Crackdown look awesome. I'm hoping that they get Playground or Coalition or 343 to work on new IPs though at the same time as Gears, Forza, Halo, etc. Like ND working on a new IP like TLOU at the same time as Uncharted.
Samurai G0SU
Member
Who is.. Juubi?..
But that reminded me of how much I loved that battle with pain. Mmmmmfpph. Sage mode on deliverance!
Claude Augario
Member
This is the same guy that had a bit of a conniption because he didn't have an NX devkit, and got called out by Shahid. That also got a GAF -> internet -> GAF thread.
I'm starting to see a pattern here.
What? Same "framework" as Xbox One? I don't even see where he says that and framework is a super vague term, which would have no technical meaning in this context so I don't even know what that would be contradicting. Did I miss something?
This can't be a real post.
Think hes trying to be funny. Come launch his laughter will turn into tears.
HeisenbergWW62
Banned
I thought he was serious until he replied to my reply to him. Then I realized he wasn't. Got me though, so hey
Honestly I don't blame you. With MS's play anywhere you wouldn't miss much in terms of total games.
And MS and Sony are doing their darndest to change that. Paid online, forced installs, long download times, mid gen upgrades, ECT. All of these factors will push people away from consoles and into Valve's arms. Not everyone, but a lot of people.
Sony and MS have stated in interviews that their goal is to compete with PCs. They can't. Consoles have the convenience that PCs never will, yet MS and Sony don't try to emphasize this. It will bite them in the ass sooner or later.
Jacksinthe
Banned
Making it a new gen would mean cutting it off from One at some point.
That will show a clear lack of commitment to Xbox users. That would be a mistake. They don't have enough goodwill to shake anything up, at this point.
They've scorched enough earth before the One even released. Calling splits at this point would be suicide and handing the console space to Sony on much shinier, more ornate and valuable platter than they handed to Sony at this gen's start.
There was no turn-around for the PS3 when looked at globally. It made ground back in the US but in RotW it outsold the 360 except for the launch of Kinect.
How else could it overcome a 10m sales deficit from being released a year later?
This is a narrative that has to die.
wapplew
Member
I don't see the outrage from Xbox users, on the contrary fans are cheering on this news and even more excited for Scorpio.
MS know what the fans want and they're going to deliver.
Sword Of Doom
Member
Don't get the analogy. PS3 games could not run on a ps1. Are you saying Scorpio games won't run on a regular xb1?
What makes the PS4 pro "half assed" is the limitations Sony has established in order to not make regular PS4 owners feel alienated. Not sure how Microsoft is going to approach the same issue
StrongBlackVine
Banned
Microsoft knows what their most intense and delusional fans want. I doubt all the people that bought Xbox One S recently want those units rendered irrelevant any time soon. Trying to pull a new generation could be potential brand suicide if it doesn't take off. Then what? Yeah I know they did with Xbox 360, but this is no where near the same situation.
GHG
Member
There are not enough fanboys in this world to keep them afloat. They also need to sell the consoles to the general public and a proportion casual gamers in order for it to be viable.
If that is their plan then their sales will continue to fall year after year. They are not apple, they won't get away with pulling a stunt like that.
Gamezone
Gold Member
Ask again in a few years.
Cynn
Member
That's what I think too. In a couple years you'll see a "Scorpio Unlocked" presentation at E3 announcing the full unlocked potential of the machine to be tapped exclusively by developers. They'll use that to try and slow down the PS5 launch and then deploy a next gen Xbox after that as to always have a technology edge on Sony going forward.
Could work.
Milly Osworth
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The life of devs must be getting harder with all these machines.
Shpeshal Nick
aka Collingwood
But at some point the Xbox One will be discontinued. It's currently called forwards compatibility because the Xbox One is the target platform with Scorpio giving titles a boost. Scorpio may be the development lead with games being downgraded for one, but the TARGET will still be Xbox One. The games will need to run at an acceptable level for Xbox One.
But once Xbox One is discontinued, Scorpio will get it's own games for a short period before the next upgrade is released. At that point, Xbox One games will be backwards compatible instead of forwards compatible. Scorpio games will then be forwards compatible with the newer console.
Hmm well I dont think Scorpio is a new gen by virtue of all games (except VR ones yes) being able to played on XB1. The visuals will be much much fancier but the library will always be the same.
With a hypothetical PS5, I could see full bc with the PS4 but 1st party will shift there and developers could cross gen transition to that system if the message is communicated to customers beforehand that this is a new system that won't play most future releases.
Now if Scorpio does get exclusive games (imo only 1st party would really do this) that would be crazy hilarious.
Millions of XB1 buyers in 2016 and 2017 don't know anything about Scorpio and would be furious if support was pulled for their system in a year or two.
Yeaaaah anime was a mistake
With a hypothetical PS5, I could see full bc with the PS4 but 1st party will shift there and developers could cross gen transition to that system if the message is communicated to customers beforehand that this is a new system that won't play most future releases.
Now if Scorpio does get exclusive games (imo only 1st party would really do this) that would be crazy hilarious.
Millions of XB1 buyers in 2016 and 2017 don't know anything about Scorpio and would be furious if support was pulled for their system in a year or two.
Yeaaaah anime was a mistake
City of Dis
Member
Microsoft really fucked up when they made a deliberately underpowered console. What an idiotic strategy.
Pancakes R Us
Member
Yep. Seems like it was all planned. A few leaks here and there, some comments from people in the know.
With what Nintendo pulled off and is pulling off with the switch, Microsoft announcing its next console way too early. Sony announcing the ps pro and giving it zero to no marketing at all. I think they don't know what the hell theyre doing anymore.
lol, grow up. Get that fanboy crap out of here.
whalleywhat
Member
Is he calling the Scorpio AIDS?
Le this
Shpeshal Nick
aka Collingwood
Is there any particular reason people think the Scorpio will be tied to Xbox One in perpetuity?
I mean, if the fact that's it's going to be almost completely different architecture isn't a clue to this NOT being the case, then fuck, I don't know what is. Microsoft can't outright SAY the Xbox One will be ditched down the line right now, but their actions do.
The PS4 Pro is completely tied to the PS4. The architecture is identical outside a GPU bump.
I mean, if the fact that's it's going to be almost completely different architecture isn't a clue to this NOT being the case, then fuck, I don't know what is. Microsoft can't outright SAY the Xbox One will be ditched down the line right now, but their actions do.
The PS4 Pro is completely tied to the PS4. The architecture is identical outside a GPU bump.