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Square Enix (Crystal/Eidos) making multiple Marvel games incl. Avengers, more in 2018
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Stealthcobra
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OléGunner;229182133 said:
Mediorce? Thats crazy talk... Great tomb raider games..
PhantomVash808
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Who wants to bet Spider-Man will be an exclusive playable character in the PlayStation versions of Square's Avenger games.
Drillary Clinton
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OléGunner;229182133 said:
The rebooted Tomb Raider's are mediocre as fuck but I'd rather have those on the market than more homogenous Marvel games.
Yautja_Warrior
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If they let them make their own games (like Spider-Man) and don't have to be tied to one of the movies, they hopefully will avoid the dreaded movie game curse.
Totally agree with the Deus Ex thing, I love Deus Ex too but I don't need one every year and I think it's good for a developer to do different things.
Flintty
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That trailer got me hyped. Hopefully they can do the IP justice - it's long overdue!
It's subjective but I entirely disagree. I think the last two TR games are some of the best ever /shrug
It's subjective but I entirely disagree. I think the last two TR games are some of the best ever /shrug
I think CD is a talented studio, and hopefully working on a bunch of weird characters with unique, interesting action potential like the Marvel guys will let them stretch a little outside of making Uncharted: But Grittier
Eidos I'm less certain about. Thief reboot sucked, and I don't like them new Deus Exes. Too many cutscenes, too much scripting, not enough freedom, and count me among those annoyed at the "see it's racism but cybernetics" point they tried to make and the weird narrative gymnastics they used to justify it.
But I'll admit that's probably just because the original Deus Ex blew my freaking mind when I was young and impressionable
Eidos I'm less certain about. Thief reboot sucked, and I don't like them new Deus Exes. Too many cutscenes, too much scripting, not enough freedom, and count me among those annoyed at the "see it's racism but cybernetics" point they tried to make and the weird narrative gymnastics they used to justify it.
But I'll admit that's probably just because the original Deus Ex blew my freaking mind when I was young and impressionable
So they are not going to finish the stories the set up of both Tomb Raider and Deus Ex then? Fuck that. These games that have such a lousy plot that is too busy setting up a sequel we will never get apparently. I won't buy those sequel bait games anymore unless from the bargain bin. Over the years I have experienced that far too often (and in many instances when a plot is resolved in a sequel it tends to jump the shark). Just make games that stand on their own with some sequel hooks in the background. (look at the Yakuza games, for example).
I am hyped for this btw, don't get me wrong. I love Marvel and I think both of these devs are pretty great.
I am hyped for this btw, don't get me wrong. I love Marvel and I think both of these devs are pretty great.
NightShift
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How the fuck did I not see this thread until now? I've been looking at Gaf all day.
Since there's so little info, all I can say is that we're not getting a new Deus Ex game aren't we? I want to get excited for a full fledged Avengers game but no way in fuck would I sacrifice Deus Ex for that.
Since there's so little info, all I can say is that we're not getting a new Deus Ex game aren't we? I want to get excited for a full fledged Avengers game but no way in fuck would I sacrifice Deus Ex for that.
Triggerhappytel
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Surprised by this announcement. This is a big deal, and I honestly expected it to be some announcement about a shitty Kingdom Hearts port or something. So, if Crystal Dynamics are busy with this, is this presumably why Eidos Montreal are working on the next Tomb Raider?
I wonder if anyone else has got hold of any Marvel licenses - Sony has Spider-Man, Telltale has Guardians of the Galaxy and Square Enix seems to have a range of them starting with the Avengers.
Spider-Man wasn't announced part of the MCU until February 2015. It's entirely possible Sony and Telltale licensed their games before Spider-Man joined (or that Spidey joining the film universe was part of the agreement where Sony got a multi-game deal as an aside).
I wonder if anyone else has got hold of any Marvel licenses - Sony has Spider-Man, Telltale has Guardians of the Galaxy and Square Enix seems to have a range of them starting with the Avengers.
Spider-Man wasn't announced part of the MCU until February 2015. It's entirely possible Sony and Telltale licensed their games before Spider-Man joined (or that Spidey joining the film universe was part of the agreement where Sony got a multi-game deal as an aside).
So I guess thats bye bye to Eidos Montreal's own IPs and Crystal's as well. That's not really what I want. I don't really care about avengers or marvel properties that much outside the movies. There are always these established rules that they can't break, characters that cannot die etc. God I hope they're not doing an MMO or MMO-lite or something.
When your own IP sold like shit, making licensed game is how you keep afloat and maybe continue making your own IP in the future.
And Disney/Marvel seems to be aiming for AAA Arkham game quality here, not Activision or Sega licensed budget games like last gen.
By that logic, Spider-Man wouldn't be able to join in on Marvel vs. Capcom: Infinite.
A third Tomb raider has been leaked and some sources have confirmed the leak is real.
dr_rus
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Tomb Raider sold like shit?
DriftingSpirit
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He is talking about Deus Ex.
Tomb Raider didn't sell notably well either but it has far more financial potential than Deus Ex.
suddenlyissoon
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Depending on your age, you might not remember when Marvel nearly went under. In an effort to not go bankrupt, they sold off some of the rights to their most popular assets (X-Men, Spider-Man, Fantastic Four, Ghost Rider, Namor) along with their specific iconic villains (Like Dr. Doom with the Fantastic Four). Some properties did well, like X-Men, and some did horrible, like Fantastic Four. Part of the deal was they had to continue to use the license ever few years. That's why we've had so many bad Fantastic Four movies and multiple Spider-Man reboots.
Sony, realizing they didn't know how to handle Spider-Man anymore in a Marvel dominated movie landscape, came to an arrangement with Marvel/Disney regarding the Spider-Man license. For example, Sony/Disney have some profit-split on the next Spider-Man movie but it was ultimately Marvel controlled in terms of direction. In exchange, Spider-Man can show up in Marvel movies. Universal didn't want to deal with Marvel/Disney which has led to Marvel all but wiping the X-Men off the face of the planet in the comics.
It wouldn't surprise me if Spider-man showed up in the Square-Enix games, but not as a playable character.
- Fox has the movie rights to the X-Men, not Universal. I fixed your post accordingly. Also, the X-Men are still around in the comics, it's everywhere else where Marvel's erasing the X-Men.
- As mentioned before, I doubt that the Sony Spider-Man game would prohibit Spider-Man from showing up in this game. By that logic, Spider-Man wouldn't be allowed to be featured in MvCI. For reference, Activision had the Spider-Man game rights, but that didn't prohibit Spidey from showing up in, say, (U)MvC3.
CrispyBoar
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Here's hoping that they can do them better than Activision.
Yeah all those homogenous Marvel games like... Umm... Marvel Vs. Capcom?
ArkhamFantasy
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Thats a low bar. Lol
Mushroomer25
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How can you already proclaim these Marvel games to be 'homogeneous'? They've only just started development, and haven't revealed so much as a genre. It's also not like Marvel has been spamming the market with Avengers games the past few years.
Also, Rise of the Tomb Raider is the best Uncharted game since Uncharted 2.
Drillary Clinton
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Do you really expect these games to be anything other than decent? Marvel doesn't exactly take big risks, they play it safe. Realistically we'll see open world Ubisoft template games and beat'em'up games. Great. I'd love to be proven wrong.
And we just totally disagree on Tomb Raider reboots. They are not good games and don't come anywhere near the Uncharted series other than Uncharted 1 which is also not a good game.
DriftingSpirit
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Yes.
Otherwise, they would just hit up Activision to churn out some mediocrity. They specifically said they are changing how they handle these games now. I don't think for a second that the Insomniac Spider-Man game (or these games) will be anything but great or really good.
Then you better hope that the rumors of Marvel easing up on the Fox ban this year are true.
*crosses fingers for it being true*
Drillary Clinton
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I'm sure the spider-man game is going to be the anomaly on this context. Regardless, that's the last thing AAA games need is more licenses.
You think CD and Eidos don't have the potential to make great marvel games, especially with a AAA budget?
I love Insomniac but i prefer the Deus Ex games Eidos Montreal developed over any Ratchet & Clank
And i don't mind licensing if the IP has great potential. KOTOR is a classic and it's a licensed game.
Yes.
Marvel hasn't put out games because they wanted to make sure of the quality. They could have been putting out movie tie-ins for the past decade, but they haven't. The devs they're choosing for each of these IPs tells me they care.
Drillary Clinton
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They haven't wanted to put out complete shit like their movie-tie ins. If their movies are anything to go by I still don't see them taking any risks. More so putting out cookie cutter AAA titles that are alright. And I think that talent would be better spent working on already existing or new IPs.
DriftingSpirit
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I disagree.
It essentially keeps these studios going. Insomniac didn't have anything major going on and now they indefinitely have a Spider-Man IP in their stable. These two SE studios have major work after releasing financial disappointments (especially Deus Ex).
Drillary Clinton
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I completely understand the economic reasons for this. This is much easier money to make.
ArkhamFantasy
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They wouldnt have hired teams like Insomniac, Crystal Dynamics, and Eidos Montreal to make anything other than great games. And Marvel isnt really taking any risks here, Sony is publishing Spiderman, Capcom is publishing MvC:I, Square Enix is publishing Avengers.
DriftingSpirit
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By extension, it means these studios can potentially go back to their own IP one day (well, Tomb Raider is still being made so more for Deus Ex and more). With the supposed financial success of a Marvel game in their pocket, they will have more room to do other things compared to when they didn't.
Stealthcobra
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So
Alot of you are jaded as fuck and i have no idea why gaming is still a hobby.. Negativity about everything
How could you not be hyped about Capcom continuing their 2nd biggest fighting game franchise, or Insomniac taking an Arkham-tier jab at Spider-Man?
Filthy Casual
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Meh.
Drillary Clinton
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I love MvC but I have reservations about it for other reasons. Spider-man looks good. My concerns about this is that the market will begin oversaturating with more and more Marvel titles (like they do with movies now) when the likely success comes due to the genres popularity.
DriftingSpirit
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I can't be against something that is giving devs work.
ArkhamFantasy
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They already confirmed that spiderman is a separate universe.
I think CD was fine, but i was worried about Eidos Montreal, this is definitely a great deal for them because i dont see them greenlighting a Deus Ex sequel after Mankind Divided's sales.
Link?
dr_rus
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We were talking about Crystal Dynamics. They have no relation to Deus Ex. I also kinda disagree with the notion of Deus Ex selling like shit too.
General Lee
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What a shame. I wanted DX, and SE gave me Marvel. 
We'll have the Official Game of NeoGAF.lol at the poll.
Some idiot exec might see it and interpret it at face value.
And probably a permanent retirement from it being the gag entry because how can you top that?
Probably with Thor 3 sucking too.