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[oneida]

Didn't say that it was acceptable there either. Maybe a bit to far from me to assume that Nintendo might even do something better. Obviously the best Nintendo can do is be as shit as the other systems but not that much shittier.

I don't like this blind Nintendo defending. I want to love the Switch but I just can't because if you look at it sober, there is just too much negative aspects to its launch.

you want a powerhouse, we get it. the problem is to make a tablet as powerful as a mid-range gaming PC means raising costs by a significant margin. so it's one or the other: we got a device unlike anything else on the market priced lower than PS4/XBO instead of a 3rd consolized PC.
man, i own a PS4. i own an XBO. why would i want a Nintendo PC?

 

[marc^o^]

You can play Zelda in bed on the WiiU too. On or off TV. I do it all the time.

I think he meant his Wii U is in his living room. Same for me.

 

[Scrawnton]

I guess this thread got turned into another crap post paradise.

 

[Octavianus]

You can play Zelda in bed on the WiiU too. On or off TV. I do it all the time.

Not if your bed is too far away from the console, like mine.

I guess this thread got turned into another crap post paradise.

Yeah it's a Nintendo related thread on Neogaf.

 

[Branduil]

I'm actually quite surprised by the number of people saying 'I'm getting Switch for Zelda', as though it's a launch exclusive...

It's exclusively on one system that people will actually buy.

 

[marc^o^]

Yeah it's a Nintendo related thread on Neogaf.

I only frequent PC and Nintendo threads. PC doesn't get this negativity, at worst it's always about unoptimized games. Are PS4 and XBox threads any different?

 

[Lionel Richie]

I guess this thread got turned into another crap post paradise.

It's basically inevitable with Nintendo around here and it's fucking infuriating.

 

[PSFan]

I think he meant his Wii U is in his living room. Same for me.

Not if your bed is too far away from the console, like mine.



Yeah it's a Nintendo related thread on Neogaf.

I wonder how many WiiU owners do actually have them in their living room. In this day and age, I don't know many families who gather in a living room to watch TV let alonE, play video games. Especially when homes now typically have many TVs and other devices in them for this stuff.

I guess this thread got turned into another crap post paradise.

If it bothers you so much, you don't have to enter the topic and add your own crap posts to it.

 

[Prithee Be Careful]

No not really.
One system lets me play the game on the tv and anywhere outside of my house, the other does not.

For people who don't game on the go (personally I've never really got the attraction - but different strokes), mobility isn't really a qualifier of 'better'. If that's the most important thing to you, then you probably have an answer for yourself, but when many other features have yet to be clarified it's hard to make a universal call.

 

[RampagingSoul]

You can play Zelda in bed on the WiiU too. On or off TV. I do it all the time.

Off-TV Play is very different depending on setups of the house people live at. Some people have it in their living room and the range of the GamePad can't allow them to play it in the bed and they don't want to unhook the system from their living room. Walls and other things in the house could make the signal of the GamePad to the console not be so good. I can personally play it fine where it's set up, but I'm very limited in the space I can take it around the house. Having a Switch that has unlimited range along as it has battery life is a big plus compared to Wii U.

 

[Scrawnton]

If it bothers you so much, you don't have to enter the topic and add your own crap posts to it.

I didn't know pointing out the general tone of a thread is crap posting now. I didn't turn this thread into another troll paradise.

 

[eltercero]

The business brains and mass market ethos of the likes of Yamauchi, Yokoi, Lincoln, Main, Arakawa. Staff who were concerned at always pushing the creative and technological envelope and not looking down on their customers. All disappeared.

Precisely, Yokoi was a big fan of using mature technology while giving it a new use: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gunpei_Yokoi#Lateral_Thinking_with_Withered_Technology

I think Yokoi would actually love the Switch idea.

 

[marc^o^]

I wonder how many WiiU owners do actually have them in their living room.

If you have it in your bedroom, that means you can't play it laying on your couch in your living room. So you have the same inconvenience than we have, it's relatable.

 

[oneida]

For people who don't game on the go (personally I've never really got the attraction - but different strokes), mobility isn't really a qualifier of 'better'. If that's the most important thing to you, then you probably have an answer for yourself, but when many other features have yet to be clarified it's hard to make a universal call.

do you genuinely believe that botw won't have better performance on switch than Wii U? it is objectively a more powerful system.

 

[Yushi]

Im moving to my first apartment on March 3rd, so I probably wont have my TV set up and all that. So im pretty happy with the switch because ill be able to play with handheld mode :3

 

[Prithee Be Careful]

It's exclusively on one system that people will actually buy.

Even if the Switch has a stellar launch, the Wii U's install base will out-number it by about 7:1. Even with an 100% attach rate for Switch (which won't happen) simple numbers alone suggest that as many people will be playing BotW on their existing Wii U as on their Switch.

 

[daxgame]

Sorry Ronny93, but the moment you said 900p, 720p, 30 fps, etc. We shouldn't even hear numbers like these in 2017. and then compared the Switch to the other consoles was the moment no one cared what you had to say.

fixed.
And, yeah, pretty much.
Looks like the fact that he's asking for a ps4 in a 6.2 inch console is just won't get in the in his head ¯\_(&#12484_/¯
Btw, Steep is 900p 30 fps on Xbox One. Welcome to the real world

 

[Darklor01]

It's basically inevitable with Nintendo around here and it's fucking infuriating.

Having Skipped Wii U, not owning a Nintendo system since the Wii or a handheld either, and not having gone into many Nintendo threads, I suppose I now know what to expect?

Regarding the ability for some to play Wii U via controller in bed, I'd heard there was a limited range for connectivity of the controller to the system and if the room you want to play in was outside of say, 50ft., you couldn't play it in that room. If that's true, I couldn't just play Zelda or any other game in my particular bed with a Wii U. Moot point since I don't own a Wii U though.

 

[Octavianus]

For people who don't game on the go (personally I've never really got the attraction - but different strokes), mobility isn't really a qualifier of 'better'. If that's the most important thing to you, then you probably have an answer for yourself, but when many other features have yet to be clarified it's hard to make a universal call.

Good thing many people do care about gaming on the go. Either way it's something the other version can't do. Whether it's something you personally do or don't like isn't relevant to the equation.

It's also the prettier version.

 

[PSFan]

I didn't know pointing out the general tone of a thread is crap posting now. I didn't turn this thread into another troll paradise.

I think it's called thread whining. And there's no point to it. You don't have to keep coming in the topic if it starts to annoy you or anything.

If you have it in your bedroom, that means you can't play it laying on your couch in your living room. So you have the same inconvenience than we have, it's relatable.

I find a bed much more comfortable to lay in than a couch. How is that in any way inconvenient? In all my years of gaming, I don't think I've ever played in a living room, let alone from on a couch.

Good thing many people do care about gaming on the go. Either way it's something the other version can't do. Whether it's something you personally do or don't like isn't relevant to the equation.

It's also the prettier version.

Do you have a source or proof for that? I rarely see people carrying around a system like 3DS or Vita when I'm out and about. I think they get played more at home and around the house than "on the go".

 

[RampagingSoul]

Having Skipped Wii U, not owning a Nintendo system since the Wii or a handheld either, and not having gone into many Nintendo threads, I suppose I now know what to expect?

Regarding the ability for some to play Wii U via controller in bed, I'd heard there was a limited range for connectivity of the controller to the system and if the room you want to play in was outside of say, 50ft., you couldn't play it in that room. If that's true, I couldn't just play Zelda or any other game in my particular bed with a Wii U. Moot point since I don't own a Wii U though.

Yeah, the range of the GamePad isn't that good. I've had problems playing the Wii U in off-TV Play from just across the room it's in. Stuff just gets in the way of the connection sometimes like furniture and stuff. Connection can be very finicky at times.

 

[killatopak]

I just want something to play on commute.

 

[Spman2099]

Yeah, I think I am done with launch-day console purchases. Even if you just wait a year you will have a happier beginning. You will have three or four great games to play, they will be cheaper because they will be used, and the first run of games that have actually been developed for the console, and given the appropriate development time, will start to release. Wait two years and you will be golden.

That being said, I did buy PSVR at launch... but that actually did something new and exciting (and RE7 has helped me feel pretty comfortable with that decision).

Huh, I guess I am also prone to bouts of irrationality.

 

[Lionel Richie]

Having Skipped Wii U, not owning a Nintendo system since the Wii or a handheld either, and not having gone into many Nintendo threads, I suppose I now know what to expect?

To be fair, shit happens in PS and Xbox threads as well. But Nintendo seems to conjure a bigger and weirder wrath for whatever reason.

 

[marc^o^]

I find a bed much more comfortable to lay in than a couch. How is that in any way inconvenient? In all my years of gaming, I don't think I've ever played in a living room, let alone from on a couch.

You can't argue having more options is better. Whether it's the bed, couch, toilets, train, hotel, workplace, car, etc. Switch version means I can advance in Zelda, whenever I have free time, wherever I am. And that means a lot to me, not having to finish work and put my girls to sleep, before I can start playing.

 

[King of Cups]

Even if the Switch has a stellar launch, the Wii U's install base will out-number it by about 7:1. Even with an 100% attach rate for Switch (which won't happen) simple numbers alone suggest that as many people will be playing BotW on their existing Wii U as on their Switch.

Only if you discount that Wii U is no longer in production and Switch will only be increasing in its user base.

People have a tendency to look at a launch as the full extent of console's potential. It's healthier to think that if a console can launch without truly being broken, then everything else can be remedied. There are a lot of factors here that almost certainly will not allow the Switch to become less than successful.

 

[Jim_Cacher]

Yeah, I think I am done with launch-day console purchases. Even if you just wait a year you will have a happier beginning. You will have three or four great games to play, they will be cheaper because they will be used, and the first run of games that have actually been developed for the console, and given the appropriate development time, will start to release. Wait two years and you will be golden.

That being said, I did buy PSVR at launch... but that actually did something new and exciting (and RE7 has helped me feel pretty comfortable with that decision).

You mentioned cheaper games tell me that you have never owned a Nintendo console...

I will buy Switch day 1. Someone may call me diehard Nintendo fans, but I just love the games and the idea that you can play it anywhere. My daily life has lots of commuting, so that's a big attraction to me for buying it.

 

[Spman2099]

To be fair, shit happens in PS and Xbox threads as well. But Nintendo seems to conjure a bigger and weirder wrath for whatever reason.

Nintendo, their decision making, and how quick their fans are to let them off the hook, all leads to some ready-made frustration.

You mentioned cheaper games tell me that you have never owned a Nintendo console...

I will buy Switch day 1. Someone may call me diehard Nintendo fans, but I just love the games and the idea that you can play it anywhere. My daily life has lots of commuting, so that's a big attraction to me for buying it.

You raise a good point. Sounds sensible enough to me. My last proper home console I bought day one was the PS2. However, I did buy a Vita when it released for similar reasons as you.

 

[IlGialloMondadori]

I only frequent PC and Nintendo threads. PC doesn't get this negativity, at worst it's always about unoptimized games. Are PS4 and XBox threads any different?

Usually they're more fine.

Anyway, Switch WOO!!! Gonna be great.

 

[Scrawnton]

Do you have a source or proof for that? I rarely see people carrying around a system like 3DS or Vita when I'm out and about. I think they get played more at home and around the house than "on the go".

I think the proof of that on Nintendo's side is that 13 million people bought a Wii U and 63 or so millio people bought a 3DS. No more proof is needed. Sales are he ultimate market research.

It's not about always playing on the go but having the option to.

I don't play my 3DS outside often, sometimes at night I sit on the deck. But to me it's about having the option. It's about not being tethered to one spot and being able to just walk around with it wherever I want.

 

[OCD Guy]

• The console is severely underpowered today. We are talking numbers like 900p, 720p, 30 fps, etc. We shouldn't even hear numbers like these in 2017.

• 
  
  
  I can understand your other points but those "numbers" describe the other consoles too. 900p, 30fps? If I didn't know any better I'd have thought you were describing Xbox one lol.
  
  So not sure how you're using that argument against Nintendo. Especially when ironically Nintendo tend to produce more 60fps games than any other first party.
  
  Your solution is the PC if you want higher numbers. But I don't want to miss out on exclusive games. If exclusive games weren't a thing, then I wouldn't own a console.

 

[spekkeh]

I wonder how many WiiU owners do actually have them in their living room.

You wonder how many people have their console in their living room?

 

[King of Cups]

Yeah, I think I am done with launch-day console purchases. Even if you just wait a year you will have a happier beginning. You will have three or four great games to play, they will be cheaper because they will be used, and the first run of games that have actually been developed for the console, and given the appropriate development time, will start to release. Wait two years and you will be golden.

That being said, I did buy PSVR at launch... but that actually did something new and exciting (and RE7 has helped me feel pretty comfortable with that decision).

Huh, I guess I am also prone to bouts of irrationality.

Hehe! I totally get it about VR, but again, it fell into one of those reasonable doubt phases for me. On top of all of the essential peripherals and platforms necessary to function, I simply can't see it being a viable investment for what will likely be a handful of great experiences.

It is even more of a barrier to entry than just sitting down for a couple of hours in front of my TV to play a game.

 

[Prithee Be Careful]

do you genuinely believe that botw won't have better performance on switch than Wii U? it is objectively a more powerful system.

It's more powerful docked sure, but less so in handheld and will have to work comparatively in both modes - so there's that.

There's also the fact that the Switch is brand new hardware/architecture that doesn't have the benefit of five years prior development experience. There's also the fact that BotW was initially conceieved and developed for the Wii U.

I'm not saying 'this will be better on WiiU' I'm just saying, considering all the above and considering how little is actually officially known about Switch hardware, there's little reason to assume 'this will be better or Switch'.

Even if we assume existing hardware leaks to be accurate, we know the upclock isn't huge compared to the Wii U and realitically, given Nintendo's reputation for polish, I wouldn't be surprised to find both versions turn in a near-locked 30fps with the only real difference being the resolution.

So, to return to the original comment about Switch being the 'better' version, even in the best case scenario for Switch, it would likely only be marginally better. The question then is whether or not that level of 'better' is worth $350?

 

[Owensboro]

I find a bed much more comfortable to lay in than a couch. How is that in any way inconvenient? In all my years of gaming, I don't think I've ever played in a living room, let alone from on a couch.

In my completely non-normal use case, it's more inconvenient because I can't play in every room of the house where I need to be. The best example I can think of is in the living room on Saturdays when the whole family is watching Football and I want to be part of the "Oh man, did you see that catch?" discussions while still playing a game during commercials.

Do you have a source or proof for that? I rarely see people carrying around a system like 3DS or Vita when I'm out and about. I think they get played more at home and around the house than "on the go".

"on the go" doesn't just mean "out of the house". It also means in the bedroom, the living room, the basement, the back porch, the kitchen, etc... These are all places I wanted to play my Wii U but just can't due to my house layout and construction. Plus, based on Nintendo's own explanation of their super bowl commercial showing a dude only playing around the house, I can't be the only person who was severely disappointed in the Wii-U's range.

 

[bomblord1]

Even if the Switch has a stellar launch, the Wii U's install base will out-number it by about 7:1. Even with an 100% attach rate for Switch (which won't happen) simple numbers alone suggest that as many people will be playing BotW on their existing Wii U as on their Switch.

According to Wikipedia as of December the wiiU's worldwide sales is only 13.56M Meaning a stellar launch (~3 million units in the first month) would actually give the Switch nearly 1/4 of the wiiU's install base.

 

[Scrawnton]

It's more powerful docked sure, but less so in handheld and will have to work comparatively in both modes - so there's that.

There's also the fact that the Switch is brand new hardware/architecture that doesn't have the benefit of five years prior development experience. There's also the fact that BotW was initially conceieved and developed for the Wii U.

I'm not saying 'this will be better on WiiU' I'm just saying, considering all the above and considering how little is actually officially known about Switch hardware, there's little reason to assume 'this will be better or Switch'.

Even if we assume existing hardware leaks to be accurate, we know the upclock isn't huge compared to the Wii U and realitically, given Nintendo's reputation for polish, I wouldn't be surprised to find both versions turn in a near-locked 30fps with the only real difference being the resolution.

So, to return to the original comment about Switch being the 'better' version, even in the best case scenario for Switch, it would likely only be marginally better. The question then is whether or not that level of 'better' is worth $350?

For what it's worth, I believe Wii has twice the power of GameCube but twilight princess was the same on both systems outside of motion and wide screen. There was no advancement in the graphics.

It's not worth it to Nintendo to really push the Switch at launch with a game built on Wii U tech.

 

[IlGialloMondadori]

It's more powerful docked sure, but less so in handheld and will have to work comparatively in both modes - so there's that.

There's also the fact that the Switch is brand new hardware/architecture that doesn't have the benefit of five years prior development experience. There's also the fact that BotW was initially conceieved and developed for the Wii U.

I'm not saying 'this will be better on WiiU' I'm just saying, considering all the above and considering how little is actually officially known about Switch hardware, there's little reason to assume 'this will be better or Switch'.

Even if we assume existing hardware leaks to be accurate, we know the upclock isn't huge compared to the Wii U and realitically, given Nintendo's reputation for polish, I wouldn't be surprised to find both versions turn in a near-locked 30fps with the only real difference being the resolution.

So, to return to the original comment about Switch being the 'better' version, even in the best case scenario for Switch, it would likely only be marginally better. The question then is whether or not that level of 'better' is worth $350?

Here's a crazy revelation for you: WiiU is end-of-life'd. People are buying a Switch for Zelda AND years of Nintendo games.

Did I just blow your mind or what?

 

[Enduin]

Second day one console. First was the Wii.

Zelda and just the core concept are what are selling me. I really like the hybrid nature of the system and believe it could be really great.

I didn't buy a 3DS for well over a year after release because I was waiting for ample content I wanted to play. Namely FE. As I thought the system was a poor follow-up to the DS.

I was going to do the same for the Wii U for the same reasons but the system itself was such a failed idea I couldn't bring myself to buy one despite there being a good amount of content I wanted to play eventually.

 

[Prithee Be Careful]

Here's a crazy revelation for you: WiiU is end-of-life'd. People are buying a Switch for Zelda AND years of Nintendo games.

Did I just blow your mind or what?

Friend, it's literally in pieces.

 

[llehuty]

I think it's called thread whining. And there's no point to it. You don't have to keep coming in the topic if it starts to annoy you or anything.

What if people want to discuss the thread topic in a mature, level headed fashion, but they can't because the negativity and shit posting prevails?

 

[Darklor01]

To be fair, shit happens in PS and Xbox threads as well. But Nintendo seems to conjure a bigger and weirder wrath for whatever reason.

Consistently releasing less powerful hardware than other platform manufacturers will do that I guess. I don't think this unit is meant to be what some hoped it would be, and well, I don't actually remember a time since Super Nintendo that Nintendo did what anyone expected them to do.

N64 was kind of revolutionary, Gamecube being a tiny form factor and portable was great. Those systems however, were equal power or more powerful than the other systems out there. It was what happened after that changed things. Wii was not as powerful as the other systems out there, yet people ate it up. Nintendo hoped to have a hybrid of Gamecube and Wii with Wii U and that merge just didn't meet up with what people wanted.

This, meets some things some people want and fails on hope/expectations in other ways from the same people, completely fails for some, and of course, some are hyped all around.

The other systems are just one thing. That's it, I guess.

 

[Scrawnton]

Second day one console. First was the Wii.

Zelda and just the core concept are what are selling me. I really like the hybrid nature of the system and believe it could be really great.

I didn't buy a 3DS for well over a year after release because I was waiting for ample content I wanted to play. Namely FE. As I thought the system was a poor follow-up to the DS.

I was going to so the same for the Wii U but the system itself was such a failed idea I couldn't bring myself to buy one despite there being a good amount of content I wanted to play eventually.

The thing that makes me nervous about Switch at launch is no backwards comparability. It gives me the same feeling as PS4 did when I bought it at launch. Your starting with barely anything and slowly waiting for the system to hit the point in which it has a big diverse line up. This is why VC being at launch is super important.

I remember getting PS4 at launch and six months later PS3 was still getting better games that weren't on PS4 (dark souls 2 and South Park).

Hopefully I don't have to go through that again with Switch.

 

[marc^o^]

The question then is whether or not that level of 'better' is worth $350?

Switch is the system that will host 90% of new Nintendo games, + Vita games, indie games and some 3rd party games playable on the Go. With LAN. That's what you get this system for. Zelda is game #1, with a new diverse library following up. This whole picture is worth entry price, I'm sure you get it.

 

[Branduil]

Even if the Switch has a stellar launch, the Wii U's install base will out-number it by about 7:1. Even with an 100% attach rate for Switch (which won't happen) simple numbers alone suggest that as many people will be playing BotW on their existing Wii U as on their Switch.

I expect it to be similar to TP on the GC/Wii, where the Wii version vastly outsold the GC version.

 

[The Abominable Snowman]

we got a device unlike anything else on the market priced lower than PS4/XBO instead of a 3rd consolized PC.

Has anyone corrected you on this yet? Or are you comparing with launch prices from 3 years ago?

 

[Scrawnton]

Switch is the system that will host 90% of new Nintendo games, + Vita games, indie games and some 3rd party games playable on the Go. With LAN. That's what you get this system for. Zelda is game #1, with a new diverse library following up. This whole picture is worth entry price, I'm sure you get it.

This is the exact reason why I am excited. I still have an Xbox One that I play daily and a PS4 that I pull out for exclusives, but the idea of the all in one Nintendo system that will also get massive indie support is why I am buying this day one. That and Zelda. I am a huge handheld gamer and 3DS is my favorite system of all time, Switch is just the natural next step for me.

 

[phant0m]

My first launch day console* ever, actually. I got my N64 pretty late in the generation, didn't get the OG Xbox til almost a year after it came out, didn't get a PS3 til the Slim, PS4 the January after launch.



*I also got a 3DS at launch, but that's not a "console"

 

[Malice215]

Can't wait for the new Shovel Knight on the Switch.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UHzF8e2g1sc

I loved playing indies on the Vita, and the Switch will now get that output, so that's another reason why I'm excited.

 

[Kureransu]

Does anyone else think that this launch keeps feeling more and more failing and consumer-unfriendly? I don't know, there is just too much shit getting up. I really want to love and and want to be hyped, but it keeps getting worse:

• The console is severely underpowered today. We are talking numbers like 900p, 720p, 30 fps, etc. We shouldn't even hear numbers like these in 2017.
• The console competes directly vs. cheaper and way more powerful PS4s, X1s, PS4 Pros
• No media functionality. I literally can't replace my PS4 because I need its Bluray capabilities
• Horrendous pricing. Browser games like Bomberman or tech demos like 1 2 switch are sold at full price
• Only Zelda as worthy launch title. I'm not too excited at Shovel Knight or Isaac which I played 10 years ago or got for free with the PS+ trash
• Almost no 3rd party stuff
• ...

All those core negative aspects and then the most recent news that you can spend more money on a crappy Zelda expansion pass. I actually hoped for Nintendo that they kind of shelled out a big surprise like "1 2 Switch is coming 4 free bundled with each console" or "Mario Kart made it to release" but no, it keeps getting worse.

Nintendo keeps on digging.

It sounds like you kinda just don't like Nintendo lol. Here's the thing:

*Horizon runs at 30 FPS. You want High visual fidelity in an open world? Expect 30 FPS. there are games still being release at 900p on X1. So we may be a few more years off.

**The console isn't directly competing. That's the whole selling point, being a portable home console. Directly competing would be making a Nintendo system that challenges the Specs of the PS4 (Pro) and XB1 (Scorpio).

The PS4 and XB1's gimmick is being a multimedia center that pushes out High Fidelity gaming in a traditional sense, without the "hassles" that you would get going PC instead. The trade off is that you may not have the absolute best best looking games available, but you also aren't spending an arm and a leg to get there, and they are darn near close enough.

The Switch's gimmick is versatile gaming, where it be where you play or how you play. the trade off is that you just can't get the power of a traditional home console while keeping it portable, due to bottlenecks in technology such as battery and proper heat distribution.

*** Saying you can't replace your ps4 because it has blu ray playback is funny. You can just buy a blu ray player.

****The games you listed aren't full price. But I can't argue the prices being too high if you don't find value in the product. However, it can be argued if 1,2 switch is a tech demo. It's more of a hybrid of digital and analog gaming.

***** Yeah Zelda is the system seller. But that's how console launches work. The company tries to get one game that would get gamers to validate the cost of entry and then provide a "support" cast of games to sweeten the pot. Even though in this case the cast is pretty small lol.

Also, you don't really need to add a bunch of subjectively negative qualifiers to things to try to further spin your stance. let your debate stand on it's own with trying to sway the readers by calling things "trash" and "crappy".