PodcastFips
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I expect the next console generation to hit in 2020.
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So, when do you expect PS5 and the Xbox One successor tba? And what specs?
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I think predictions for 2021 are short sighted. Who knows where the tech will be by then? By 2021 VR could have cracked the mainstream and 5g networks could provide over the air 4k streaming from cloud servers. The idea of a traditional console could be dead by then.
Hell the way the worlds going we could all be dead by then.
Total tech noob here, but i see everyone writing about these hypotethical consoles out 2 years from now having around 10tflops, but aren't the only cards of that power avaible now for like, 7-800$? Are we expecting them to drop in price so much that they will end up in a 399$ circa console?
2020 would be perfect for the PS5.
The tech, for a new/big step, would be ready in 2020. So holiday 2020 for a PS5 is the perfect solution imho.
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CEJames
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However, they really jumped the gun early, giving Sony plenty of time to outdo the Scorpio in some way, shape, and form.
Spaced Harrier
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Forgetting about specs for a sec, what will be the USP.
4K isn't enough. It has to be 4K plus a graphical leap.
Then also think timeframe. When will 4K TV be not just available but the expected.
What kind of power do we need for 4K Native with a still massive graphical leap?
4K isn't enough. It has to be 4K plus a graphical leap.
Then also think timeframe. When will 4K TV be not just available but the expected.
What kind of power do we need for 4K Native with a still massive graphical leap?
I don't agree -- Scorpio is not going to have Zen or HBM2, things PS5 will almost certainly have, in one form or another.
If PS5 launches in 2019, Microsoft will release a new Xbox a year later (thus, 3 years after Scorpio) with something equivalent or slightly more powerful. If PS5 launches in 2020 or 2021 Microsoft will launch a new Xbox at the same time.
3 year lifespan for Scorpio? That's even shorter than the original Xbox. Do you think people will be happy with that - especially when Scorpio is supposedly going to be positioned as a premium product with a premium price? 3 years or even 2 if MS wants to be first out the gate is an incredibly short lifespan for a console.
Really good point here, this is the main issue I see.
I'm assuming by 2020 or so pretty much every single TV sold except maybe 32" and smaller will be 4K, so that will be the 'default' resolution. Seems to me the 10TF number people are tossing around would massively underpowered if these consoles are expected to produce significant graphical improvements at native 4K.
You'd be looking at what..14-18TF to achieve that? Seems like a tall order.
crazepharmacist
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They can mitigate that by having forward cross compatibility with Scorpio/ the next Xbox for a few years. Even have first party games release on both.
Scorpio is part of the Xbox One family, it's not a successor to Xbox One.
2013 to 2020-2021 is 7 to 8 years total. More than long enough.
primasaurus
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The PS5 will most likely be a hybrid home/handheld console in 2020
How often does corporate speak and action line up? I'm not saying announce though, just rumors.
Kingpin Rogers
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Time is going so fast... it felt like the ps360 era took forever but now we're already discussing the PS5. We're all gonna die one day guys, sooner than we think 
I don't expect anything new till 2020+ if there are ever actual "gens" ever again. These systems are rolling (especially PS4), and I don't think there will be a need (as far as MS and Sony are concerned) for an all new "generation" of hardware.
Microsoft is just going to keep releasing new "versions" of the Xbox every 3 years, that plays all their games, probably. We have yet to see what Sony will do, but I wouldn't be surprised if they went the same route.
Microsoft is just going to keep releasing new "versions" of the Xbox every 3 years, that plays all their games, probably. We have yet to see what Sony will do, but I wouldn't be surprised if they went the same route.
Time is going so fast... it felt like the ps360 era took forever but now we're already discussing the PS5. We're all gonna die one day guys, sooner than we think
That's because eras are likely to disappear and be replaced by cycles where the N+1 (PS4) is replaced by the N+3 (PS5) while the N+2 (PS4PRO) is still in place, and therefore the library (which defines a generation) could stay so that PS4 games all work on PS5 (on custom PS4PRO mode, boost or PS5 mode).
Astral Dog
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Would it really matter? By that time MS would supposedly have an instal base to keep giving time until the next system.
Astral Dog
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Yes it does,lets enjoy our Pro and Switch now right?Time is going so fast... it felt like the ps360 era took forever but now we're already discussing the PS5. We're all gonna die one day guys, sooner than we think
Nope. Internet infrastructure may be good enough to contemplate such things in Finland, or Sweden, or South Korea or something, but not in the rest of the world.
Fibre to the premises covers just 3% of homes in the UK for example and is not seen as a priority. More and more ISPs in the US are forcing bandwidth caps per month and data caps on stuff like 4G are prohibitively expensive anyway - it can cost an absolute fortune to get more than 10gb of 4g data per month for example. Plus those wireless networks are not ideal for gaming anyway.
There is absolutely 100% no way that, in 4 years time, broadband infrastructure across the world will have advanced to the point where everyone can just stream 4k games from the Cloud. Playstation Now is trying it at the moment and it's total shit, with huge issues in terms of latency and performance, not to mention the cost per month.
For alot of people, online only is a big issue - you only need to look at the reaction to Microsoft's 2013 Xbox One reveal, where all games needed an internet connection to function, to see that. Or, listen to the thunderous applause and cheering when Sony announced that PS4 games could be played from the disc, totally offline, when they announced PS4. Cloud based gaming isn't going to be a thing for years. If it ever even becomes a thing. There is an absolutely monumental difference in terms of internet connection power between streaming a film on Netflix and playing a game.
Back on topic:
My prediction would be a PS5 around 2020. Maybe late 2019. That would be 6 / 7 years after the initial release of the PS4. However it very much depends on the tech available. I doubt Sony will launch a PS5 until they are confident that the tech is there to deliver a significant increase over the PS4 Pro while still being marketable at a sensible price.
kingwingin
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Is scorpio expected to just be a xbox pro?
I will definitely hold off on buying it if thats the case.
I will definitely hold off on buying it if thats the case.
family_guy
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They wouldn't. They could drop the Xbox One though.
IronicSonic
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When PS4 could fit in a SoC you could put in a Switch-like console
chaosmaster(1)
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I think when developers drop the Xbox One they'll drop the Scorpio alongside it. Cross gen for the first couple years is going to happen no matter what just like it did this gen. Once they drop the Xbox one the Scorpio install base won't justify the port in relation to what they can do exclusively on the new hw.
Considering the new console could have HBM2 memory, Zen CPU and a significantly more powerful GPU the Scorpio would just be a hindrance. All they have to do is full BC with Xbox one games and accessories as well as 360 BC.
You see this is what we are told: Scorpio is part of the Xbox One family. But the way Microsoft talk about it sounds like it is a huge leap over the X1. But if it's just a console that merely enhances current X1 games why are they hyping it up so much?
All this talk of power in the reveal video, no boundaries and the possibilities of what devs can do make Scorpio sound like something beyond Xbox One when in reality it's just an upgraded Xbox One that will still only play Xbox One games (as we're lead to believe) . So in that sense it is already limited to being a console that can only play software designed for a 2013 platform albeit with prettier visuals and a higher framerate.
If Scorpio really is just Microsoft's "PS4 Pro" then why is it being hyped so much and how many people will pay a premium price for a console with such a short lifespan to play the same games built for a 2013 platform?
The PS4 Pro slipped out quietly late last year so it has a lifespan of 4-5 years (assuming PS5 in pencilled in for 2021/22) and it's not that much more expensive than the base model. Purchasing a Pro makes sense. You get a good number of years out of it and you're not paying a premium price.
But Scorpio? Premium price for a console that'll only has a couple of years of life (before focus shifts to the "Next Xbox") and a severe lack of compelling exclusives? I don't see millions of ppl buying into it.
That's impossible. just as pro can't measure up to scorpio, Scorpio wont be able to measure up to PS5, even more so. You can't 'challenge' something 2 or 3 years out in technology, its impossible...especially as we are prepped to see significant gains in architecture technology.
PC gamers will you tell you you can't future proof your set up for years to come, there will always be something better
rokkerkory
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I have a feeling as long as Spencer is head of Xbox, that Xbox h/w will never be weaker than Sony's system ever again given in the same refresh cycle
PS5 will be released the same year and month that Trump is either defeated or re-elected.
But launching when the PlayStation brand turns 25 is also good.
Dash_Riprock
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WooHooAlex
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2020 feels right, but 2019 wouldn't surprise me either. In November 2019, the PS4 will turn 6 years old.
they aren't following the same roadmap, but at the same time MS are fully dependent on nanometer processes and architecture advancements the same as Sony.
PS5 2019
New xbox probably never. They can't sell Scorpio 2 in 2019 and by 2020 Sony will have a huge advantatge. Everyone who owned a PS4 will either have bought the PS5 or will be waiting to upgrade, to play the games they had on their PS4's. Many XBONE owners will also make the transition to PS5 in 2019, same way many did from X360 to PS4, but even in more numbers because Sony will be seen as the clear winner, and they won't have a Scorpio 2 to buy anyway.
If Sony wants to deliver a fatal blow they have to release it by 2019 and they probably will
New xbox probably never. They can't sell Scorpio 2 in 2019 and by 2020 Sony will have a huge advantatge. Everyone who owned a PS4 will either have bought the PS5 or will be waiting to upgrade, to play the games they had on their PS4's. Many XBONE owners will also make the transition to PS5 in 2019, same way many did from X360 to PS4, but even in more numbers because Sony will be seen as the clear winner, and they won't have a Scorpio 2 to buy anyway.
If Sony wants to deliver a fatal blow they have to release it by 2019 and they probably will
It doesn't really matter when PS5 or Xbox 5 comes out in regards to these current consoles. If Scorpio follows the same idea of the Pro then that's all it will be, a better version of a PS4 or Xbox One. You buy it for better performance in the current gen not hoping it continues into next gen any more than it usually does going by history. So, when Sony comes out with PS5, Microsoft will be thereabouts with Xbox 5 or vice versa.
family_guy
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It doesn't matter what they say. Their words aren't a contract. They backtracked on stuff with the original Xbox One. If the Scorpio hardware is still capable of doing what they want and the original Xbox One isn't, then they can very well say Xbox One is EOL, but Scorpio support will continue until a time they decide it's not worth supporting anymore. iPads and iPhones are capable of running much of the same apps across generations, but at some point Apple says the next iOS release will only be supported on these hardware configurations.
Dee Dah Dave
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The days are gone for 'monumental' upgrades anyway. Don't expect the next systems to do anything hugely different to the current ones, other than add an extra level of graphical polish.
In fact look at a highest end gaming PC of today, there's your PS5 more or less.
In fact look at a highest end gaming PC of today, there's your PS5 more or less.
People said the same thing about PS4 but now we are getting these kind of graphics in a open world game:
Dont underestimate these developers mate.
Why would they need to release a new console?
Just move to incremental upgrades now that they have moved to x86 architecture and allow people to keep backwards compatibility.
The next one might be called the PS4 Super Pro and then maybe they will just drop numbers like Apple and call each new console the new Playstation.
Just move to incremental upgrades now that they have moved to x86 architecture and allow people to keep backwards compatibility.
The next one might be called the PS4 Super Pro and then maybe they will just drop numbers like Apple and call each new console the new Playstation.
LelouchZero
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It's all about the software, there's High-end PCs that are incredibly powerful but the software isn't taking full advantage of their capabilities. So much more things can be done for graphics and physics in games, it's not even funny. Especially with the capabilities of a single Titan X Pascal GPU that is like 3-4x the PS4 Pro's GPU and 6-8x the PS4's GPU.
With a new console featuring exclusives you can push the technology significantly further as you have more powerful hardware that sets a new benchmark, the developers can then take advantage of this hardware and push the software to new heights.
Lister
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People said the same thing about PS4 but now we are getting these kind of graphics in a open world game:
Dont underestimate these developers mate.
1) It doesn't look bad, but it's not what I'd call super impressive either. LOD clealry takes a hit in that vista and IQ isn't super crisp. A PC verison of that game would have lush terrain much further into the distance, and the IQ would be pristine. That's not to belittle Horizon, which can look amazing (this is a bad screenshot IMHO), but it's simply the nature of the beast. Better hardware = more possibilities.
2) I'm not sure how you are refuting the gaffer you are quoting. He's talking about hardware. Sure, good devs will get a lot of out console hardware, but hardware is hardware and the PS4 was not top of the line hardware when it came out, and neither is the Pro, and neither will Ps5 feature top fo the line hardware.
The estimate of looking at a high end PC today and expect somehting similar for PS5 is probably going to be mostly accurate.
Dee Dah Dave
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I don't see anything special in that image. It looks nice up close but the LOD detail is quite poor.
So yeah, add more detail in the distance and stuff and there you go, Horizon 2 - PS5.
Red Dead from last gen isn't a million miles away from that shot, image quality excluded.
Lister
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They want to be able to sell you your old games again.