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[MUnited83]

I'm a bit curious as to why Cemu is still alive but I guess they are untouchable by Nintendos lawyers. Let's hope for Nintendo that the Switch won't be emulated as soon, however given the fact it has a very common Tegra X1 it's probably only a matter of time...

by the way: Even if you own the Game on the WiiU you are not entitled to download the ISO and play it you only got a license for the WiiU itself. -But we all know no one cares about what's wrong or right anyway, as long as you're safe from getting cought

Technically speaking, you can get the "ISO" right from the Eshop to your computer directly, and it would be technically legal if you had bought it from the Eshop.

 

[Magnus]

I'm confused - where does Eurogamer call it a fan-made PC port? They call the whole thing a fan project, which in this case, it is. But the article accurately describes the project as an effort to get a new, complex, massive game running on a Wii U emulator for PC.

 

[Kuro]

Every god damn time Cemu is mentioned people shit up the thread whining about piracy when people could pirate the game directly on Wii U before the game even came out. There is nothing wrong with ripping the game you purchased and playing it in superior quality on a PC emulator.

 

[franklyshankly]

So you are saying there are people using this to download BoTw for free!?!
Cool for people to upgrade their game. But why don't you care that people are using that for piracy?
Just as guilty in my opinion!

People aren't using Cemu to download a copy of the game. They are using the internet to download a copy of the game. Should we ban the internet too?

 

[phanphare]

You pretty much can't pay Nintendo for Wii U hardware as it is anyway. Do they still sell refurb units on their own website? Because if not good luck finding someone that isn't a reseller selling Wii Us now.

yeah they do

 

[WrenchNinja]

Debatable and in many cases (N64, Saturn), it is not. In my experience, even if an emulator runs well, it's still a worse experience than original hardware because it introduced unavoidable input lag (in conjunction with display input lag) that can make certain games very difficult to play. This mostly applies to retro games from 32-bit era or earlier which were made to play on CRTs with 0ms response time.



Money in all likelihood. I'm not condemning the emu devs for that, but let's be real.



The one on the right of course (if it was a choice between Wii U and PC, Switch portability convenience trumps them all)...but the entire JPG is low quality and making the one on left look worse and blurrier for no reason. A direct capture of Wii U, although low res, should look crisp regardless. But I suspect people will keep pulling out that degraded image in these arguments over and over.



This is neither here nor there, but I don't believe this for a second. I think there are far more lurkers on this board who know they can't openly boast about piracy and who fully intend to pirate games on CEMU than there are people interested in CEMU from a project standpoint who will then emulate the games in a legal, proper way. To each their own, it's none of my business, but I don't think we should lie about how the forum is full of morally upright saints.

If you have someone in mind, name their name. Otherwise you're just shitting up the thread.

 

[theechrisfox]

tell me which you'd rather play on.

I'd personally rather play on the one where the profit goes to people who originally made the game.

 

[hodgy100]

Emulation gave us sonic colours at 60fps

https://youtu.be/oo3kT8qvAfY

hopefully they can do the same for zelda.

 

[tuxfool]

The one on the right of course (if it was a choice between Wii U and PC, Switch portability convenience trumps them all)...but the entire JPG is low quality and making the one on left look worse and blurrier for no reason. A direct capture of Wii U, although low res, should look crisp regardless. But I suspect people will keep pulling out that degraded image in these arguments over and over.

Sorrry, but the WiiU image absolutely isn't crisp. It looks like garbage on TV.

I'd personally rather play on the one where the profit goes to people who originally made the game.

cool, then you'd prefer the emulated version, or the wiiu or the switch version.

 

[tomwhite2004]

I've hardly seen much specific game hacks other than some specific ini configuration for each title. It's hardly beyond the stuff Dolphin does when it comes to per-game configuration (which they've been progressively getting rid off as soon as features get emulated better). Where has byuu proven there's more than that without access to the source code?

And how exactly would someone else's opinion prove my opinion wrong if that was the case?

His opinion negates your view (which no offense is worth less than his on the matter)that game specific hacks wouldnt cause this much progress in a week and that its coincidence.
Read the comments, there is also stuff on reddit but im not trawling through all that now.
https://mobile.twitter.com/byuu_san/status/841142823797870592
Also the only reason Dolphin is able to clear up those hacks is because going open source encouraged more people to work on it.

 

[Teletraan1]

So youre saying no one is downloading it?

I understand some people are ripping the game they allready bought.

I downloaded it.

Spoiler

From Nintendo and was charged $90.39

 

[Chinbo37]

Those "bourgeois" not getting money means developers not getting money to make that content that you desire so much.
Appaling post.

Im sorry first you need to prove that every single person who illegally pirates something would have actually paid for it in the first place if the option of pirating was not available.

Unless you can do that your argument becomes very shaky.

 

[Hello? This is Hailun!]

Those "bourgeois" not getting money means developers not getting money to make that content that you desire so much.
Appaling post.

Nintendo is ignoring an entire market and a huge demand for the game. They're leaving money on the table and restricting revenue that their developers could be receiving.

 

[mr teaspoon]

How deep in capitalist ideology one must be to get so angry at the mere possibility that somebody might play a video game without stuffing the pockets of some bourgeouis executives.

Anti-piracy ideology is just patheitc anti-poor elitism from middle class people who think people with less money than them dont deserve to participate in popular culture like they do. As if money is some objective representation of moral character or "hard work!" So what if people use Cemu to pirate Breath the Wild? If culture being shared freely among the people to the detriment of corporate profits pisses you off so much, get your fucking priorities straight. There are real problems in the world that affect real people. Or at least keep it to yourself and stop shitting up every thread about emulation with your judgemental moralizing bullshit.

Oh lord. A caricature of an Occupy Wall Streeter called, it wants its identity back.

The simple fact is that you are not owed entertainment. A poorer person isn't owed access to the latest videogames, and it isn't some social crime if they have to go to Gamestop and buy a used 360. This isn't stealing a goddamn loaf of bread, here.

Nintendo is ignoring an entire market and a huge demand for the game. They're leaving money on the table and restricting revenue that their developers could be receiving.

Okay, so you're accusing Nintendo of having made a bad business decision. That's where you are. Your job is to now get from there to 'so it's okay to pirate their games.'

 

[HardRojo]

I'd personally rather play on the one where the profit goes to people who originally made the game.

Good news! By purchasing a copy of the game and ripping it on PC you're making sure your money goes to the content creators!

 

[aBarreras]

Pfft. Nobody is interested in playing Nintendo games on PC!

i think you mean "for free"

 

[thefil]

ITT: people argue to dismantle protections for a form of software that benefits them (emulators) in order to protect an ambiguous amount of profits for a corporation, without proposing any alternative legal protections.

The time is ripe for the Patriot Act of video games.

 

[BigEmil]

people are just downloading botw for free? Why are people defending this? Preservation?? Lol

You'll be surprised how many are doing this. If you see in other big forums for examples which do not have a forum rule that piracy is bannable, so many people outright admit it but since of course doing piracy in this forum is bannable people don't say it outright

 

[Otnopolit]

Feeling a little salty that I won't get to experience this first in 4K and that I spent $300 to play it on a Switch, it's best version (currently.)

As a customer, I feel ripped off, and it's not Nintendo's fault.

 

[Hello? This is Hailun!]

This isn't stealing a goddamn loaf of bread, here.

Neither is emulation, nor is piracy, for that matter.

 

[RoadHazard]

How deep in capitalist ideology one must be to get so angry at the mere possibility that somebody might play a video game without stuffing the pockets of some bourgeouis executives.

Anti-piracy ideology is just patheitc anti-poor elitism from middle class people who think people with less money than them dont deserve to participate in popular culture like they do. As if money is some objective representation of moral character or "hard work!" So what if people use Cemu to pirate Breath the Wild? If culture being shared freely among the people to the detriment of corporate profits pisses you off so much, get your fucking priorities straight. There are real problems in the world that affect real people. Or at least keep it to yourself and stop shitting up every thread about emulation with your judgemental moralizing bullshit.

If you can't see the problem with this view you're pretty naive. I mean, I don't want to go all "don't copy that floppy" on your ass, but if everyone thought as you do, how would any games get made at all?

 

[Spirited]

How deep in capitalist ideology one must be to get so angry at the mere possibility that somebody might play a video game without stuffing the pockets of some bourgeouis executives.

Anti-piracy ideology is just patheitc anti-poor elitism from middle class people who think people with less money than them dont deserve to participate in popular culture like they do. As if money is some objective representation of moral character or "hard work!" So what if people use Cemu to pirate Breath the Wild? If culture being shared freely among the people to the detriment of corporate profits pisses you off so much, get your fucking priorities straight. There are real problems in the world that affect real people. Or at least keep it to yourself and stop shitting up every thread about emulation with your judgemental moralizing bullshit.

What the hell is this?

Nintendo is ignoring an entire market and a huge demand for the game. They're leaving money on the table and restricting revenue that their developers could be receiving.

I've never liked this kind of argument, it's pretty much the reason people playing on pc is looked at as entitled.

 

[Berg]

Dude, stop digging your own grave. Seriously. If you're so concerned about people pirating the game, discuss that in an appropriate thread, GAF supports emulation discussion.

Actually a mod answered my question about piracy, so I assume it's fair game to talk about. It's the dark side of emulation.. can't avoid it

 

[panama chief]

Never looked at CEMU until now. How easy is it to rip your disks?

 

[theechrisfox]

Good news! By purchasing a copy of the game and ripping it on PC you're making sure your money goes to the content creators!

You aren't very familiar with Zelda as a system-seller, apparently. The PC master race entitlement is very strong, I know.

 

[Hello? This is Hailun!]

Okay, so you're accusing Nintendo of having made a bad business decision. That's where you are. Your job is to now get from there to 'so it's okay to pirate their games.'

The market exists whether or not they cater to it. If you want to end emulation/piracy/etc, then you need to participate in that market.

how would any games get made at all?

People make games on their own terms in their own time all the time. Often for free.

Tiny Heist was one of my favorite puzzle games of last year and was made available for free.

 

[mr teaspoon]

Neither is emulation, nor is piracy, for that matter.

Uh, yes, precisely. It's stealing videogames. As in, being poor and not being able to afford a $300 console and $60 game doesn't justify the act of stealing.

The market exists whether or not they cater to it. If you want to end emulation/piracy/etc, then you need to participate in that market.

Hey, I'm just sitting here staggered over the idea that people think they can actually make a moral case for thievery. The 'it's an untapped market!' excuse is essentially saying 'But I want it real bad, though!'

 

[fargofallout]

What a worthwhile thread.

That being said, I'm really digging the game, and I genuinely wish I could enjoy it at a smooth 60 FPS. Maybe after they work on this for a while, I'll go back to it someday and just enjoy the smoothness.

 

[LordOcidax]

I don't really want to get into the legality discussion here, but serious question since I actually don't know: Is there no support in the law for claiming that a certain piece of software needs to be run on the hardware it was made for? I mean, you've been able to play Wii U games without ever owning a Wii U for quite a while now, which obviously means less money for the creator of said hardware. Is there no such thing as "licensed to run on the Wii U and nothing else" or similar, the circumventing of which would be iffy?

I think you need a legal Bios, aka your own Wii U bios to run the emulator "legally". BTW according to Nintendo, emulation is 100% illegal.. Also i dont think is was a good idea that Eurogamer made and article for this (too much exposure).. becuase this game is the holy grail for Nintendo right now. Just watch Nintendo trying to shutdown this guys because of this.

 

[unrealist]

What the hell is this?

English is not my native language, so pardon my summary of what I just read:

Anti-piracy is silly and we shouldn't be paying hardworking game developers.

 

[HardRojo]

Yep, we'll never have a CEMU thread on Gaming discussion without people derailing the thread with the piracy concerns.

 

[jonno394]

ITT: people argue to dismantle protections for a form of software that benefits them (emulators) in order to protect an ambiguous amount of profits for a corporation, without proposing any alternative legal protections.

The time is ripe for the Patriot Act of video games.

Said money goes towards said corporation making more games.

 

[Zurick]

Good news! By purchasing a copy of the game and ripping it on PC you're making sure your money goes to the content creators!

Yea, it's not like this is stopping people from buying Zelda. I own it for Switch and Wii U. Wii U for this exact reason.

I just don't want to be forced into playing 900p on my 4k Monitor or TV.

This wouldn't even be a thought to me if Nintendo ever decides to join the modern era with tech. I know I haven't been looking for a PS4 Emulator to play Bloodborne on.

No reason my TV from last year should make a game from this year look like shit.

 

[Chev]

I'm confused - where does Eurogamer call it a fan-made PC port?

They've edited the article to correct their error, but at first it was even in the title.

 

[tuxfool]

You aren't very familiar with Zelda as a system-seller, apparently. The PC master race entitlement is very strong, I know.

how about you get the hell out of this thread with that nonsense.

 

[Peltz]

Emulators are legal, ripping your own copy of Zelda from your own Wii U hardware is legal. Other people doing illegal things with it has nothing to do with what they're doing.

I wouldn't go that far. They are facilitating piracy of software even if they aren't engaging in piracy themselves or condoning it. Even though emulation is legal, considering how new the game is, I don't agree that their behavior is moral.

 

[Vena]

Good news! By purchasing a copy of the game and ripping it on PC you're making sure your money goes to the content creators!

Unless you're also buying the hardware, which some people in this very thread have admitted to be enabled to avoid, you are actually cutting your support of the developer and their company/creative environment short.

 

[Vuze]

How come it's always people with Mii or Nintendo mascot avatars shitposting in these threads? 🤔 It's become an amusingly common pattern to follow.

Anyway, the progress is amazing and I can't wait to experience BOTW in the best way possible whenever that may be. Kinda funny looking back at the concern trolls in pre-release threads but frankly I wasn't expecting the game to run so well in such a short time either without any bad intention.

I think you need a legal Bios, aka your own Wii U bios to run the emulator "legally". BTW according to Nintendo, emulation is 100% illegal.. Also i dont think is was a good idea that Eurogamer made and article for this (too much exposure).. becuase this game is the holy grail for Nintendo right now. Just watch Nintendo trying to shutdown this guys because of this.

You don't need a BIOS and it's laughable to imply that Nintendo isn't aware and closely following Cemu ever since it first surfaced. Good thing there is little legal basis to shut it down

 

[Beer Monkey]

The easiest way to pirate Wii U games isn't just with a Wii U, it is BY FAR the cheapest way. $200 Wii U versus spending more than that on a video card let alone memory, cpu, motherboard et al.

That said, I'm getting frustrated by the framerate in the game. While I'm assuming my 3770k and 1060 won't be able to run it in anything like 1080p/60, I'd happily settle for 720p/30 locked. I wonder if that will be feasible?

 

[Arulan]

You aren't very familiar with Zelda as a system-seller, apparently. The PC master race entitlement is very strong, I know.

And as usual, concern moves straight over to platform-based harassment.

 

[RedlineRonin]

Wow.

I haven't dabbled in emulation in years, so i haven't paid much attention to it on GAF.

Is this where every emulation related thread bottoms out?

 

[correojon]

Nintendo isn't a content creator. The people they employ are.

I would imagine content creators would probably want their content to be experienced in both the best way possible and by the most people possible and preserved/available well after their artificial restrictions and planned obsolescence would otherwise make it unavailable. ...

Nintendo isn´t a content creator...ok, not going to even try to dispute this. Wow.

I also think content creators would be happy if their games sell good and the enterprise they work for can provide them with a more stable situation, a higher salary and better conditions because their work is paying off.

Wonderful! I might be able now to avoid paying Nintendo money for their shitty hardware! I wonder what kind of PC will this game require?

I hope this is sarcasm...

How deep in capitalist ideology one must be to get so angry at the mere possibility that somebody might play a video game without stuffing the pockets of some bourgeouis executives.

Anti-piracy ideology is just patheitc anti-poor elitism from middle class people who think people with less money than them dont deserve to participate in popular culture like they do. As if money is some objective representation of moral character or "hard work!" So what if people use Cemu to pirate Breath the Wild? If culture being shared freely among the people to the detriment of corporate profits pisses you off so much, get your fucking priorities straight. There are real problems in the world that affect real people. Or at least keep it to yourself and stop shitting up every thread about emulation with your judgemental moralizing bullshit.

When someone makes something I like (a game, a movie, a book...) I like to support them and am happy to see that they are selling well, because it usually means I´ll be getting more and better content from that same creator in the future. And so, it makes me sad to see that some people enjoy that content without the creator seeing anything in return, because that may harm the abbility and/or motivation of that creator to create more stuff in the future. It´s as simple as that.

 

[cw_sasuke]

ITT: people argue to dismantle protections for a form of software that benefits them (emulators) in order to protect an ambiguous amount of profits for a corporation, without proposing any alternative legal protections.

The time is ripe for the Patriot Act of video games.

I think the issue is that the game isnt even a month old - no one has issues with Wind Waker/ Okami etc. popping up via emu screens. If you cant understand why making it easier to play pirated/free versions of new released titles might be an issue...thats okay as well - im a fan of emulation and new advances in the space. Just not the fan of the kind of money they are getting and the way it is being promoted.

The easiest way to pirate Wii U games isn't just with a Wii U, it is BY FAR the cheapest way. $200 Wii U versus spending more than that on a video card let alone memory, cpu, motherboard et al.

That said, I'm getting frustrated by the framerate in the game. While I'm assuming my 3770k and 1060 won't be able to run it in anything like 1080p/60, I'd happily settle for 720p/30 locked. I wonder if that will be feasible?

Persons interested in this(or any kind of high-end emu) likely already own a beefy rig...

 

[RoadHazard]

I think you need a legal Bios, aka your own Wii U bios to run the emulator "legally". BTW according to Nintendo, emulation is 100% illegal.. Also i dont think is was a good idea that Eurogamer made and article for this (too much exposure).. becuase this game is the holy grail for Nintendo right now. Just watch Nintendo trying to shutdown this guys because of this.

Ah, yes, BIOS. That's what you often have to provide yourself with various emulators, yes. Aaaaand people are ripping that from their Wii Us themselves, I assume...? I guess this is in some sort of grey area that we don't really talk about here. (I'm not here to call anyone a pirate. And I don't personally know how the BIOS aspect actually plays into the legality of all this.)

 

[WrenchNinja]

Wow.

I haven't dabbled in emulation in years, so i haven't paid much attention to it on GAF.

Is this where every emulation related thread bottoms out?

Usually. It gets the worst when Nintendo is involved.

 

[DarkLordMalik]

Yikes. This thread...

Anyways, I am just posting here to say that the progress that they have made within a few weeks is remarkable and absolutely praiseworthy. I am surprised to see how quick they have worked on to fix some of the major issues and I am stoked to see what more they can accomplish with it.

 

[Hello? This is Hailun!]

Uh, yes, precisely. It's stealing videogames. As in, being poor and not being able to afford a $300 console and $60 game doesn't justify the act of stealing.

If it was theft it would be called theft. But it isn't, so it's not.

Nintendo isn´t a content creator...ok, not going to even try to dispute this. Wow.

Nintendo is not a content creator. The actual people who create the content are. Just like how Walmart isn't a content creator, but the actual people who make the products are.

Nintendo is an investor and marketer only.

And so, it makes me sad to see that some people enjoy that content without the creator seeing anything in return, because that may harm the abbility and/or motivation of that creator to create more stuff in the future.

Hey, we share the same idea. If you enjoy content enough to regularly consume it, then support it's creator.

If BotW runs fantastic on CEMU I would probably buy it and emulate it.

 

[Twiforce]

Those "bourgeois" not getting money means developers not getting money to make that content that you desire so much.
Appaling post.

Game development is labor regardless of how much the product created sales. If employers are not providing workers with sufficient wages and benefits for that labor, to provide a good quality of life with good working consitions, that is 100 percent the fault of the employer.

Besides- the class of people who control labor, including labor in the gaming indistry, are the same class of people responsible for witholding the Earth's resources from all the rest of us, creating a situation where artists need compensation to not starve in the first place

There is no logic in blaming the common people exercising our moral right to freely share and participate in our own culture for this situation.

 

[Mega]

If you have someone in mind, name their name. Otherwise you're just shitting up the thread.

I'm not shitting up anything. I don't object to CEMU at all and have financially supported stuff like Everdrives, Android portables with Retroarch and FPGA consoles that give people access to old games that are hard/expensive to get. Stop getting so defensive.

Sorrry, but the WiiU image absolutely isn't crisp. It looks like garbage on TV.

A direct capture of the original version wouldn't look so blurry and filtered. The captured image looks like it was blown up with a bilinear filter (blur) and has JPG degradation. The original output should be pixel sharp with some blurring depending on your display's upscaler. In the case of the Switch screen/handheld mode, it is pixel perfect. It's not a blurry, artifacted mess.

 

[Eolz]

Im sorry first you need to prove that every single person who illegally pirates something would have actually paid for it in the first place if the option of pirating was not available.

Unless you can do that your argument becomes very shaky.

I can't, but I can say that piracy is not legal, and that saying that doing it to basically "teach them" instead of just trying if the game runs well on your pc before buying it for example, is really awful.

Nintendo is ignoring an entire market and a huge demand for the game. They're leaving money on the table and restricting revenue that their developers could be receiving.

So you're saying piracy is good because some people don't want to buy their games but still play them?
Again, my post was for someone pirating openly, not someone buying a game then emulating it.