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Digital Foundry: Xbox Scorpio
- Thread starter LelouchZero
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Ha! Love this! No need to beat around the bush.
GameSeeker
Member
You are being too pessimistic about the 2019 technology roadmap.
Both PS4 Pro and Scorpio are Jaguar (CPU) + Polaris (GPU) + GDDR5 (memory)
(Yes, before someone complains, both designs have minor customizations vs. the base designs, but the customizations are minor in the big scheme of things)
By 2019 there will be big improvements in all 3 major technology areas. Zen has proven it's a very large performance boost over Jaguar and it's shipping this year, so should be available in SOC format by 2019. Vega is shipping this year and is a significant improvement over Polaris. And on the memory side GDDR5X has been shipping since last year and HBM2 will ship this year, both are reasonable options for 2019.
So there is no reason to think Sony or Microsoft can't deliver a quantum leap, next generation console in 2019.
Wrong
Samurai G0SU
Member
Ive been told its not as important as they make it seem - See the replies from Matt.
The numbers look ridic going from thousands to 11. but from a devs perspective i guess it is more like 'meh'.
So, you're still alive, huh...
TheSpecialOne
Banned
I don't know but the rx480 isn't more powerful than the 1080 last I checked. This is the kind of thing I was wary of with df. Really poor reporting.
PowerThroughLov
Member
The direct x draw calls sound nice. That is indeed a nice addition.
But the thread running game logic is a jaguar. Its a jaguar.
Obliterator
Member
I'll say this, as someone who doesn't own an Xbox One currently and gets everything on PS4, I'm likely switching all multi-plat 3rd party games to Scorpio this year
This right here :
The bottom line is that Scorpio's six teraflops will almost certainly go a lot further than an equivalent PC part. I asked Microsoft about this specifically, and they raise a number of good arguments that make the case strongly. Firstly, that their shader compiler is far more efficient than PC equivalents (think of shaders as native GPU code). Secondly, addressing the hardware directly via their API and with access to console-specific GPU extensions again adds to the advantage of a fixed platform box. And finally, they point to their optimisation software - PIX (Performance Investigator for Xbox) - as a tool that provides the path to console-specific optimisations that PC simply cannot get.
The bottom line is that Scorpio's six teraflops will almost certainly go a lot further than an equivalent PC part. I asked Microsoft about this specifically, and they raise a number of good arguments that make the case strongly. Firstly, that their shader compiler is far more efficient than PC equivalents (think of shaders as native GPU code). Secondly, addressing the hardware directly via their API and with access to console-specific GPU extensions again adds to the advantage of a fixed platform box. And finally, they point to their optimisation software - PIX (Performance Investigator for Xbox) - as a tool that provides the path to console-specific optimisations that PC simply cannot get.
Banjo-Kazooie
Member
Ahhh yes the great 900p battle of 2013. How could I forget
You can't really compare TFLOPs in a console to TFLOPs in a PC either, but here we are.
LukasTaves
Member
Of course specs wise it doesn't compare to a 1080, but they showed a game running at the same performance as it.
Whatever tuning Ms made to improve the design of the console clearly worked on this game.
FrankWza
Member
Ok, as long as you dont make a thread about not having enough time to play games. Ever.
Alternative facts
Seriously... I would like a 399-450 price. I wonder if this console will come with a month of game pass free?
Samurai G0SU
Member
yo, the FIRST face-off will be a beauty to behold.
that thread is going to be amazing.
I hope DF chooses wisely! (watch it be
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that thread is going to be amazing.
I hope DF chooses wisely! (watch it be
rdr2
It's almost as bad as the Republican hypocrisy over the Gorsuch confirmation.
Man, if this thing launches at $399 and actually delivers that level of performance, I'm going to be laughing so hard at all of these naysayers as I walk into my store and buy one.
VincentMatts
Member
same
BibiMaghoo
Member
So better than a PS4 Pro, but not the herald of the end times either.
Nice upgrade over the ps4pro. Price is going to be important but with the ties to xb1 i don't see how this can be way more than the pro is for Playstation. For MS maybe a positive fresh start but a tide turner?
Sony surely is not going to let the pro stay at 399/$ when Scorpio releases.
Sony surely is not going to let the pro stay at 399/$ when Scorpio releases.
Obliterator
Member
1st party are always going to make a game push past what it's specs say. Look at Horizon, you would never get a game that looks like that running on the same spec PC. It's a totally different story with multi-plat 3rd party games though.
3rd party games are not going to perform better than a 1080, that's not how it works. MS 1st party games totally designed around the console, sure it's possible
3rd party games are not going to perform better than a 1080, that's not how it works. MS 1st party games totally designed around the console, sure it's possible
Some mental Gymnastics going on in this thread.
So this has to simultaneously compete with a fictional PS5 and launch at a comparable price to PS4 Pro?
This kind if delusion is a sure sign of to much salt intake.
OT: I'm a Sony fan above MS fwiw and aside from X-Box One S never been interested in X Box. But this looks/sounds super neato. I'm provisionally in.
So this has to simultaneously compete with a fictional PS5 and launch at a comparable price to PS4 Pro?
This kind if delusion is a sure sign of to much salt intake.
OT: I'm a Sony fan above MS fwiw and aside from X-Box One S never been interested in X Box. But this looks/sounds super neato. I'm provisionally in.
inpHilltr8r
Member
To provide entertainment for those that do.
Cool
Not announced. DF/EG speculating 499. Most tend to agree.
Some think it'll be lower, some higher.
E3 will be the answer
Latvian Hitman
Member
1. That's the point
2. Seems a safe bet, given what they've done thus far this gen
3. Wouldn't hold my breath on that one. But it would be cool!
Seems to be the target, given the parts they're using. They have to know it would be a mistake to launch for much more than that.
Let's see...I'll have to do 2 separate categories...
Boos:
Xbox One: Riley Reid
PS4: Eva Lovia
Ps4 Pro: Channel Preston
Scorpio: Jayden James
Butt:
Xbox One: Riley Reid
PS4: Channel Preston
Ps4 Pro: Eva Lovia
Scorpio: Alexis Texas
are you content now?
Can you say if it has an extra HDMI output for audio? like current 4K BluRay Players?
MissCauthon
Member
Punch out?
Zvonimir Boban
Banned
Nice, I was wondering about that myself. Sounded like it should be impressive (Due to the extremely technical reasoning of a big number vs a small number) but I had no fucking idea what any of it meant.
Goddammit, it's going to be better than my PC
EDIT:
or maybe not? (Got a 970 atm, albeit with a really old CPU)
More medium level gaming
How about this?
Xbox One: DeMar DeRozan
PS4: Isaiah Thomas
PS4 Pro: Kahwai Leonard
Xbox Scorpio: Westbrook or Harden
Into the Light
Banned
LOl are you serious. Look at the clock speeds man. I swear.
Colonel Nasty
Member
I wouldn't say better, I think they're pretty equal but Harden is the MVP.
wesleyshark
Banned
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TheSpecialOne
Banned
Fbh
Member
Seems cool.
As a Ps4 pro owner this is kinda what I wanted the Pro to be.
Still, unless they bring some big exclusives I doubt I'll even consider getting one. If I owned a scoprio right now I still wouldn't use it until like september of this year because of all the great exclusives (and multiplat with PC) games on Ps4.
And I have to agree with the people saying it's probably going to be $499. Which is still a good price IMO
As a Ps4 pro owner this is kinda what I wanted the Pro to be.
Still, unless they bring some big exclusives I doubt I'll even consider getting one. If I owned a scoprio right now I still wouldn't use it until like september of this year because of all the great exclusives (and multiplat with PC) games on Ps4.
And I have to agree with the people saying it's probably going to be $499. Which is still a good price IMO
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
huh are you serious? This thing is going to be $400-500 max and is delivering the same performance as a GTX1070 a $400 GPU. An entry level PC isnt going to give you native 4k at high settings. wtf is this shit.
killatopak
Member
LukasTaves
Member
It's an optimized game on Pc too, but you are wrong if you are saying they had specific scorpio optimizations on this test.
They ported in 2 days, and largely relied on the dx12 co processor to optimize the performance.
At least that's what Ms told DF. They could be lying though, but I don't think they would on a tech reveal.