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[marrec]

I sincerely doubt Red Dead is running at native 4k on scorpion, most likely checkerboxed.

This is Rockstar remember, theyre games require quite the heavy hardware

GTA5 was really well optimized across the board and looks quite good. I don't see RDR requiring that much more power tbh.

 

[BumRush]

Nope. Just 2.0 but it has FreeSync support! Shit is gonna be wild.

Freesync is supported on 2.0 now? Since when?

 

[Wishmaster92]

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[psychotron]

Imagine if they announce OG Xbox support at E3, all scaled to 4K. Having every Xbox game ever playable on one console would be huge.

 

[Cranster]

They also had a year longer, what surprised me is there is nothing in the specs that could not of been done last year when the pro came out.

I was hoping MS were waiting until end of 2017 to include some new tech like zen or vega.

My guess is a part of the delay was due to waiting on manufacturing costs to lower a bit so they can launch it at a competitive enough price for consumers.

 

[Zasa]

Is it as strong as my Radeon 8500 though?

 

[Symbiotx]

For me the Pro was too little and too early. Now it is an after thought and Scorpio is arriving about right on time with the right specs.

lol do you realize you're being very one-sided? The only real difference is that you're placing importance on one and not the other. Scorpio is Xbox's pro, and neither of them are an "after thought". That's just silly.

 

[geordiemp]

Can you help me understand if what they said about the 11 instructions from the thousand is actually something good or just a different way to handle the situation with the same results?

Someone already posted that 10 % CPU to 5 % CPU certainly helps ....thats not my info you need to search for the post.

It aint no I5 power class Zen though

My guess is a part of the delay was due to waiting on manufacturing costs to lower a bit so they can launch it at a competitive enough price for consumers.

Same goes for Sony's pro though, my guess was it takes a long time to prototype and design and test, and Sony were just further down that road.

Hell they can just reduce the price as costs / manufacturing becomes better with time (like every console)

 

[Bustanen]

A jag? Meh, rather build a proper 60fps ryzen system myself.

 

[LifEndz]

Yep. The 43% compute advantage is not even taking into account the RAM and Bandwidth improvements, which are pretty massive. Not sure if it was even including the CPU advantage. This could have easily been considered the PS4 Pro of the PS4 Pro.

Thank you for the layman's term analogy. It helps put all this into context. Hope my finances improve enough to buy a 4K tv and a Scorpio later this year.

 

[Renekton]

Should be 399 right guys?
Its not that more powerful then PRO and release a whole year later.
And PRO will probably be 350 when this comes out.

It seems significantly more powerful than PS4 Pro

 

[Matt]

So then even lightweight dx12 draw calls were significantly taxing for Jaguars? Such that a dx12 offload "coprocessor" is worthwhile?

Well I was talking about the upclock and enhancements all together, but on its own I don't know how significant I would call it. Maybe helpful is the better word.

 

[GifGafIsTheBestGaf]

that's some impressive specs but the most important to me is freesync and AF, that's fucking cool

 

[th3sicknness]

For me the Pro was too little and too early. Now it is an after thought and Scorpio is arriving about right on time with the right specs.

The question is .. does that matter? Are the specs alone worth switching from a ps4 or ps4 pro to the scorpio? How much of the market is comprised of new users who dont own a console or havent upgraded yet?

 

[Domaje]

How many gamecubes duct taped togheter?

 

[Cyborg]

Not a big upgrade as I expected, good luck MS. Its hard needed.

 

[Inglorious_ Man]

FreeSync works over HDMI 2.0. There are HDMI FreeSync monitors available right now.
https://www.amd.com/en-us/innovatio...m_freesync&utm_medium=redirect&utm_source=301

I see so scorpio is probably using HDMI 2.0. Since HDMI 2.1 is still being implemented by tv manufacturers.

 

[Instro]

I'm chuckling at some of the comments. Full circle. The advantage downplayed at the beginning of the gen by one camp and pressed on by the other camp. Now the roles are reversed with the downplay and press.

E3 is going to be interesting.

For what it's worth, I think differences in base hardware are probably more meaningful for most than these mid gen upgrades. It's also a slightly different subsection of folks that actually own 4k TVs where these devices are more meaningful.

 

[Primethius]

I have a feeling that if this was the PS4 Pro specs announcement, the internet would have erupted into thunderous applause.

But since it's Xbox it's just kinda meh.

What world are you living on? This is like a Pro mid gen refresh a year later.

Pro for blasted on GAF. Like... what?

 

[Flibbertygiblet]

So if i buy this console with Destiny 2, i can switch from xbox scorpio to pc ?is that how the play anywhere thing works? Just need 1 copy and i get to play on xbox or pc? Also no mentions of SSD full support...

This only works on Xbox Play Anywhere titles (I believe most first-party titles as well as Resident Evil VII and Shadow of War).... hopefully more titles will be added to that list soon.

 

[PHOENIXZERO]

I've not read all 17 pages of this thread, but am I the only one who thought DF (Leadbetter) was a little too enthusiastic about this reveal?

I mean, I love new hardware, and who doesn't like tech specs, but this particular coverage just seems overly glowing. I'm sure it was a condition of their privileged access, but I'm still taking all this with a large dose of salt.

Of course he is, Leadbetter has a pretty well known (or at least I thought it was) pro-Microsoft history and they just gave him an exclusive.

Except Microsoft knows it's an enthusiast machine for a niche market at this point. It's not equivalent to the release of a brand new console that plays new games.

That's all marketing/PR talk so when they Phil at E3 says "SURPRISE it'll only be $399.99" and watch everyone who buys this being some highly expensive machine lose their minds in shock at such a low price, great PR. MS comes off looking like they've given a "gift" to gamers.

EDIT:

I have a feeling that if this was the PS4 Pro specs announcement, the internet would have erupted into thunderous applause.

But since it's Xbox it's just kinda meh.

If this was the PS4 Pro released in 2016 it probably would have because a 6TF AMD GPU would've been more impressive a year ago. Now in Fall of 2017 it's just expected low mid-range AMD GPU.

 

[Sony]

Looking at the hardware customization you can definitely see the influence of the Surface engineers and designers. Also seeing the benefits for 1080p screens, this will definitely be on my purchase list

 

[Complicated]

The number of people now begging Microsoft to make them spend more money on Xbox hardware rather than just play the games on their PC is both surprising and not surprising at all.

 

[Jibbed]

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Not bad for 2 day's work.

 

[Raide]

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I think they also mentioned that was in 2 days and not all the refinements are on? Final version should look amazing, as will Forza 7 no doubt

 

[Matt]

Can you help me understand if what they said about the 11 instructions from the thousand is actually something good or just a different way to handle the situation with the same results?

Don't concern yourself with that too much.

 

[Darklor01]

It sounds like MS did their homework more than Sony did in the upgrade path. I'm not even referring to the better specs, jut in the way the hardware is used and how it will benefit existing titles and 1080p users.

I'm not entirely on board with this concept. I think they went on similar, but different paths. I think Sony wanted 4K lite power upgrade in a box at a price they wanted to stick with. They did that, and they did well with the parts available at the time. I think they could have increased RAM and other things, but it would have likely broken the price point.

I think MS had a desire to put out a product using the best available parts, increased power..etc. We don't know the price yet, but it's been generally thought that this will cost more than the Pro did a year prior. Power comes with cost.

Since we don't know when either company's successor product will hit for sure, let's leave out how the ___ company's new system will release in year ___ and leapfrog the other's product. That sentiment will just ruin the point.

 

[Taker34]

Should be 399 right guys?
Its not that more powerful then PRO and release a whole year later.
And PRO will probably be 350 when this comes out.

A lot of custom hardware and R&D costs are in there as well, so the chances are minimal. I personally don't think so, Richard doesn't believe that as well.

 

[Widge]

Most phones are bought on a payment plan

On this, didn't Microsoft look into that as an alternative to the all up front cost model? It was a good time ago.

It'll absolutely take the sting out of a $499 cost if people are seeing something that is more like $24.95 or similar over 2 years. People will absolutely pay more to spread costs.

 

[Kill3r7]

you could say it. But how long do you think this gen will last? I think in 2 years and PS5 + next gen will be here.

And MS will be stuck with a johnny come lately console that's now old again. Not that XboxOne isn't already not catching fire.

It needs exclusives.

I don't think we are getting new consoles before 2020. However in the spec arms race this will always be true.

 

[Harp]

You mean, aside from specs? Because I don't see how coming out a year earlier doesn't come with its own advantages (and makes the Pro half assed?). It's not like system wide downsampling couldn't be added to the Pro (like boost mode) way before Scorpio launches this fall.

Scorpio does not have hardware downsampling it has a mandate. Sony would just need to update there power point for that. Which there not going to do.

 

[thiscoldblack]

Dreams of Zen.

 

[GameAddict411]

So the Jaguar running slower on the Scorpio compared to the pro? What does the custom Jaguar core even mean? The difference between the PS4 pro and Scorpio is smaller than I thought. Will it show in games? probably, but I don't think it was worth waiting a whole year after Sony.

 

[fantomena]

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Lovely pic, hopefully it comes to PC. My GTX 1080 and 5820k 4 GHz is gonna make 4k60fps a piece of cake.

 

[Okami Haundo]

It seems significantly more powerful than PS4 Pro

Yep! Anyone guessing $499 as the final pricing is doing so based on logic. The hardware there could definitely justify that price. Anything lower than that would surely mean a loss on each unit sold, but it would also be extremely competitive. Time will tell which approach they decide to go with.

 

[JonnyDBrit]

In marketing? Sure.

In reality? Adaptive up to 4k.

That's what I'm calling.

That, or MS may stress to devs on reaching 4K even with some graphical drops.

But you are right that something is probably gonna have to give on a lot of games. Should be especially interesting to see with games released prior to Scorpio, and so presumably most of the effort would have to be on MS' part to get them running on the new hardware at a higher resolution, as with their backwards compatibility catalogue.

 

[Savantcore]

I have a feeling that if this was the PS4 Pro specs announcement, the internet would have erupted into thunderous applause.

But since it's Xbox it's just kinda meh.

Ha, you sound like /r/XboxOne

As a whole it seems like everyone is buzzed about this. Maybe we're reading different threads.

 

[creatchee]

Is the Scorpio more powerful than the PRO? Yes, slightly.
Will the games on Scorpio run and look better than the PRO? Probably not.

We live in a world where the .53 teraflop difference between PS4 and Xbox One was "massive", "objectively better", and "night and day", but the 1.88 teraflop difference between Scorpio and Pro is only slight and will probably result in no discernable difference in graphical quality.

I'm... I'm not surprised.

 

[MightyHedgehog]

Variable refresh being included in a console is pretty fucking wild. Didn't expect to see that anytime soon.

Wonder what kind of heat this is going to put on Nvidia with G-sync.

I missed this info. Link me, please. It'll help me choose a 4K display that supports it later.

 

[psychotron]

Not a big upgrade as I expected, good luck MS. Its hard needed.

How is this not big? It took a system way weaker than PS4 and upgraded to beat PS4 Pro. That's big.

 

[derFeef]

Lovely pic, hopefully it comes to PC. My GTX 1080 and 5820k 4 GHz is gonna make 4k60fps a piece of cake.

That's Forza 6. You can kinda already play that on your PC.

 

[VE3TRO]

I had hoped we got some b-roll of that Forza presentsation. Maybe we'll see FM7 trailer soon.

A quick potential size comparison using the internals to measure:

Interesting.

Lovely pic, hopefully it comes to PC. My GTX 1080 and 5820k 4 GHz is gonna make 4k60fps a piece of cake.

Thats Forza 6, you got Apex to be playing.

 

[Outrun]

Its going to be interesting what will look better, the best looking PS4 games on pro using checkerboard rendering (downsampled) or best looking xobxone games in native 4K (downsampled).

Imo, all the resources should be spend to make upcoming games look fantastic in 1080p, that whole 4K thing is a waste at the moment.

Scorpio can implement different rendering techniques.

Look. It is really simple. Just like how PS4 games look better than X1 games, Scorpio games will look better than Pro games.

 

[Shock32]

I'm glad they went with the spec reveal today and saving games for E3. It's going to be great this year. The big 3 should be firing on all cylinders.

 

[Piper Az]

I'm surprised that there is good amount of "meh" in this thread. This console has the best spec to date and very impressive, and as gamers, this should be exciting news.

 

[ironcreed]

lol do you realize you're being very one-sided? The only real difference is that you're placing importance on one and not the other. Scorpio is Xbox's pro, and neither of them are an "after thought". That's just silly.

One sided? I have the base PS4 and love it. I simply saw no reason to upgrade to the Pro and still don't. But the Scorpio is arriving later with a big enough spec boost that I will be making the jump from my Xbox One. It's pretty simple.

 

[Kaako]

lol do you realize you're being very one-sided? The only real difference is that you're placing importance on one and not the other. Scorpio is Xbox's pro, and neither of them are an "after thought". That's just silly.

Lol I also get a kick of posts like that. The mental gymnastics at work from all sides are amusing as hell in these threads.

 

[bigJP]

How many gamecubes duct taped togheter?

has this been answered. can build my own scorpio then

 

[A.J.]

On this, didn't Microsoft look into that as an alternative to the all up front cost model? It was a good time ago.

It'll absolutely take the sting out of a $499 cost if people are seeing something that is more like $24.95 or similar over 2 years. People will absolutely pay more to spread costs.

I think they did something involving a payment plan with the 360 late in its lifecycle

 

[Widge]

I'm not entirely on board with this concept. I think they went on similar, but different paths. I think Sony wanted 4K lite power upgrade in a box at a price they wanted to stick with. They did that, and they did well with the parts available at the time. I think they could have increased RAM and other things, but it would have likely broken the price point.

I think MS had a desire to put out a product using the best available parts, increased power..etc. We don't know the price yet, but it's been generally thought that this will cost more than the Pro did a year prior. Power comes with cost.

Since we don't know when either company's successor product will hit for sure, let's leave out how the ___ company's new system will release in year ___ and leapfrog the other's product. That sentiment will just ruin the point.

I think Sony have looked at 4k adoption and the cost of hardware available and said "market isn't there yet" and I firmly believe that is correct.

The only card being considered a 4k card on PC at the moment is the 1080 and above, that's just not mass market. A few years time when the 4k adoption is on the rise and graphics costs come down, then 4k can really start to hit.