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Guy finds Starcraft source code and returns it to Blizzard

Honestly, he should have made a backup of the disc in secret before returning it, since you're allowed to make backups of compact media for private use. Seems foolish to return it on the basis of "what if" without taking everything into consideration. He could of snagged Blizzard's reward and keep the source code, lol.
 

FZeroRacer

Neo Member
I would've absolutely 100% shared the source code or donated it to a museum if I came across something like that.

Starcraft is one of the biggest parts of gaming history and having access to the source code from a preservationist perspective is huge. So many copies are lost due to companies being dumb with their source or not caring about it. That's why I don't think what he did is necessarily the right thing and I highly doubt Blizzard would ever release the source.
 

bethore

Member
Not going to lie, it would have to nice to see the source code out there to see the potential fan projects regarding Starcraft. The original Reddit post of the discovery is less than a month old so I doubt it has much to do with the free re-release of Starcraft or the remaster, but that's just speculation. Since the original version is free for everyone it was not like this leak would have lead to piracy or anything. Maybe Blizzard wouldn't have liked to see bootleg Starcraft clones popping up everywhere with the remaster about to release. I have no idea how protective Blizzard is of their properties so it probably was a good idea for the guy to return it to Blizzard.
 

Risev1

Member
Fucking hell people on that reddit thread are such assholes. Most people there seem to fully believe that this guy is a piece of shit because:

1) He did the right thing and returned something that clearly belongs to Blizzard, and whoever was selling it has probably not obtained it legally

2) He avoided being sued by one of the biggest companies in gaming

This guy should be commended instead of being insulted.
 
I'm more interested in how it ended up on Ebay in the first place O_O

Aren't those discs usually only given out to top level employees at most studios?
 

FyreWulff

Member
So what would the source code contain that one couldn't mine from the release copies?

Well instead of reverse engineering cheats or spending hours and gallons of coffee going through memory breakpoints you can just use code analyzers and just look directly at what the game is doing.
 

FZeroRacer

Neo Member
So what would the source code contain that one couldn't mine from the release copies?

To build off of what a previous poster said, imagine trying to discern the coca-cola recipe with a can of coke and you can understand how hard it is to 'mine' stuff from the release version of a game.

You can make a decent facsimile but you'll never get close to the original. The source code could also contain insights by the developers themselves (through comments, unused code / assets etc) and other important historical bits.
 
So what would the source code contain that one couldn't mine from the release copies?
It's the full code to the game, allowing you to recompile and do with it as you will. Sourceports, ground-up mods, the works. If you're familiar with Photoshop, it would be like having the PSD of an image instead of the PNG output.
 

Joyful

Member
So what would the source code contain that one couldn't mine from the release copies?

with this code you can see exactly how everything in the game starcraft works
basically once code is compiled its near impossible to reverse engineer

so you could mod it,or use the code to make your own game,etc
or the dude could have sold it on the black market


Easy to say what he should have done when you don't have to worry about consequences lol

Dude was smart


its not hard to be anonymous on the internet, free wifi is everywhere if he wanted to upload it without any chance of it tracing back to him
assuming he didn't talk about it first ofc
 
with this code you can see exactly how everything in the game starcraft works
basically once code is compiled its near impossible to reverse engineer

so you could mod it,or use the code to make your own game,etc
or the dude could have sold it on the black market





its not hard to be anonymous on the internet, free wifi is everywhere if he wanted to upload it without any chance of it tracing back to him
assuming he didn't talk about it first ofc


Lmao you've seen too many movies
 

Nerokis

Member
I would've absolutely 100% shared the source code or donated it to a museum if I came across something like that.

Starcraft is one of the biggest parts of gaming history and having access to the source code from a preservationist perspective is huge. So many copies are lost due to companies being dumb with their source or not caring about it. That's why I don't think what he did is necessarily the right thing and I highly doubt Blizzard would ever release the source.

But isn't this a case where IP rights pretty clearly outweigh preservation imperatives? There's no evidence that returning the source code to Blizzard somehow puts it at risk, while sharing it with the public could have been damaging to an active IP.
 
Well instead of reverse engineering cheats or spending hours and gallons of coffee going through memory breakpoints you can just use code analyzers and just look directly at what the game is doing.

To build off of what a previous poster said, imagine trying to discern the coca-cola recipe with a can of coke and you can understand how hard it is to 'mine' stuff from the release version of a game.

You can make a decent facsimile but you'll never get close to the original. The source code could also contain insights by the developers themselves (through comments, unused code / assets etc) and other important historical bits.

It's the full code to the game, allowing you to recompile and do with it as you will. Sourceports, ground-up mods, the works. If you're familiar with Photoshop, it would be like having the PSD of an image instead of the PNG output.

with this code you can see exactly how everything in the game starcraft works
basically once code is compiled its near impossible to reverse engineer

so you could mod it,or use the code to make your own game,etc
or the dude could have sold it on the black market

Interesting.

That makes sense. I can see why people would want it, they'd be able to directly implement sprites and code or even change more than that than by simply injecting animations or code into it and hoping it works.
 

TAJ

Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.
As soon as Blizzard's legal team contacted me like that I would have just lit it on fire on camera and sent them the video.
 

DSix

Banned
Good god... if you stumble a piece of gaming history that's probably not quite legal to own, do not make a fucking reddit thread.
 

Tecnniqe

Banned
Lmao you've seen too many movies
So all stories like these swatters are my imagination because it's impossible to be anonymous on the internet?

They guy did the right thing here, and good on them for rewarding it. Must feel great. But I do hope he took a copy of it for the future to keep.
 
laptop+free wifi+torrent/ddl site
how would someone find out who the uploader was exactly
theres tons of variables but lets not pretend its "impossible"

Dude obviously couldn't keep it quiet, most people on here saying he was dumb would probably similarly broadcast it in some way
 

Armaros

Member
So all stories like these swatters are my imagination because it's impossible to be anonymous on the internet?

They guy did the right thing here, and good on them for rewarding it. Must feel great. But I do hope he took a copy of it for the future to keep.

You mean the one that attract too much attention and now are getting caught and prosecuted?
 
I call bullshit. Random box of Blizzard stuff off ebay, which raises multiple questions already, bought it the same time Starcraft Remastered was announced, and the box of stuff just happened to have the Holy Grail of Starcraft within it, and to top it off, this all finalizes right after the Starcraft patch is released.

This screams publicity stunt, but hey guys, since everyone is talking about the game now, play Starcraft for free and get hype for the remaster later this year!

Seriously, the disc ends up in a box from some random dude who sold it on fucking ebay? Blizz gets to spend peanuts and gets publicity and Starcraft advertisement at the same time.
 

FZeroRacer

Neo Member
But isn't this a case where IP rights pretty clearly outweigh preservation imperatives? There's no evidence that returning the source code to Blizzard somehow puts it at risk, while sharing it with the public could have been damaging to an active IP.

Sure, but in a lot of cases IP rights are the antithesis to preservation. Disney is one example.

I would believe the historic value and public value of the Starcraft source code to outweigh the 'damage' that could be done to a near-20 year old game and IP.
 

Eusis

Member
Lol he got lucky he wasn't one of those "No! I bought it with my own money! It's the principle of the matter!" people.

Dude probably got more than he paid for that entire box. That trip alone is thousands.
And Blizzard's probably one of the best to err on the side of caution, they love fan service and as the case seems to be here you'd end up well rewarded for not being greedy.
 
laptop+free wifi+torrent/ddl site
how would someone find out who the uploader was exactly
theres tons of variables but lets not pretend its "impossible"
They already knew who the guy was.

StarCraft source code suddenly gets released on the internet.

Doesn't really matter how many proxies the guy could get behind to have a good idea who dun it.
 
with this code you can see exactly how everything in the game starcraft works
basically once code is compiled its near impossible to reverse engineer

so you could mod it,or use the code to make your own game,etc
or the dude could have sold it on the black market





its not hard to be anonymous on the internet, free wifi is everywhere if he wanted to upload it without any chance of it tracing back to him
assuming he didn't talk about it first ofc

Except he already blurted out he found it. Had he stayed quiet, no one would have known or been able to link it. Just install a virtual machine on your computer, fake the MAC address, connect at a Starbucks, dump it on PasteBin and walk away.

Other things you could do with this:
Circumvent cheat protection
Deeply understand AI, pathing, build speeds, weakensses.
Find exploits and bugs to things no one would know otherwise
Run a special build online that can run your own maps that are hacked to give you special undetectable privilege
Connect to Battle.net and wreak havoc there
Find ways to spoof accounts, log in as someone else, and well...
Examine all the code and libraries used to see if maybe something was used improperly, without a license, which could get Blizzard in mega-trouble
It could also contain working logins, passwords and encryption keys for more than just Starcraft. Personal info of people, too. It was a self-made disc, most likely.
And considering games always build off the previous work, this could likely affect other games like Warcraft II or III.
 

Joyful

Member
They already knew who the guy was.

StarCraft source code suddenly gets released on the internet.

Doesn't really matter how many proxies the guy could get behind to have a good idea who dun it.

obviously it would be too late by then
thats why you dont tell anyone and just do it
 

Risev1

Member
I call bullshit. Random box of Blizzard stuff off ebay, which raises multiple questions already, bought it the same time Starcraft Remastered was announced, and the box of stuff just happened to have the Holy Grail of Starcraft within it, and to top it off, this all finalizes right after the Starcraft patch is released.

This screams publicity stunt, but hey guys, since everyone is talking about the game now, play Starcraft for free and get hype for the remaster later this year!

Seriously, the disc ends up in a box from some random dude who sold it on fucking ebay? Blizz gets to spend peanuts and gets publicity and Starcraft advertisement at the same time.
I don't think everything needs to be a conspiracy theory though.
 

Tecnniqe

Banned
You mean the one that attract too much attention and now are getting caught and prosecuted?
There's so many I don't even know, just saying it's not impossible, as in actually impossible to stay anonymous on the internet. But you probably don't want to broadcast that you got it first.

No doubt the guy did the right thing and Blizz is doing him a solid too, as they should, they're good that way.
 

DopeyFish

Not bitter, just unsweetened
I doubt Blizzard lost the source code considering there was a decent StarCraft patch like a month ago
 

99Luffy

Banned
They already knew who the guy was.

StarCraft source code suddenly gets released on the internet.

Doesn't really matter how many proxies the guy could get behind to have a good idea who dun it.
I doubt there was only one copy. If it gets released from russia or china you could easily blame someone at blizzard.
 
Bummer that the source code wasn't released. Who wouldn't want Starcraft ports on Vita, 3DS, Android, etc.? Also there's a chance that parts of the beta that looked like Warcraft 2 are in there somewhere. :(

Gives me hope that Starcraft Ghost is out there somewhere and will be revealed to the public in time.




They already knew who the guy was.

StarCraft source code suddenly gets released on the internet.

Doesn't really matter how many proxies the guy could get behind to have a good idea who dun it.


He could've handed it to someone anonymously to release it that way. Not sure how secure that is, but its a common practice with stuff like this
 

Falk

that puzzling face
Some of you almost need tl;dr bans, but on the other hand since this is GAF putting the rest of the story in the OP would have people complaining about spoilers or something.

It's okay, Genius Falk found a way to cleverly conceal that information in the OP within a spoiler tag which is the best of both worlds so maybe people will stop complaining about the content of the OP and discuss the topic instead!
 

Armaros

Member
Bummer that the source code wasn't released. Who wouldn't want Starcraft ports on Vita, 3DS, Android, etc.? Also there's a chance that parts of the beta that looked like Warcraft 2 are in there somewhere. :(

Gives me hope that Starcraft Ghost is out there somewhere and will be revealed to the public in time.

What? even if the source code was out there, there would be no way to have it on any devices short of jailbreaking them, every platform holder would instantly remove it from their stores the moment it appeared.
 

xevis

Banned
But isn't this a case where IP rights pretty clearly outweigh preservation imperatives? There's no evidence that returning the source code to Blizzard somehow puts it at risk, while sharing it with the public could have been damaging to an active IP.

Won't someone please think of the poor corporate behemoths!
 

Nokterian

Member
Good on him and in return he got a lot more from Blizzard and that's why Blizzard remains one of my favorite gaming company's for what they do for everyone no matter what.

People are salty on reddit i see, nothing has changed a bit. Oh look even more salty people here also because reading is hard?
 
I'm really 50/50 on this matter.

On one hand, Blizzard owns the source code. It's their property and they have all the rights to it.

On the other hand, I really wish it could have gone to a preservation group / museum instead. The game is an important part of history. This move pretty much guarantees no one can see how it was made.

Same goes for the swag he got. Legally speaking he wasn't even entitled to any of it and Blizz decided to reward him anyway. On another hand... it's StarCraft. I don't know if Blizz still even has a copy like that, but either way they should be thankful to what he did. If I was Blizz I would have given him lifetime access to all Blizz subscriptions and LE copies of every Blizz game to be released. :S
 
What? even if the source code was out there, there would be no way to have it on any devices short of jailbreaking them, every platform holder would instantly remove it from their stores the moment it appeared.

Yeah the homebrew scenes is what I meant. Would be huge
 
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