ratcliffja
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Huh I didn't even think about it. He was really talking​ about those who showed emotion and those who held it all in. I really need to see this movie again soon.
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Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 2 |OT| Anyone can save the galaxy once - SPOILERS!
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Tribunal said that since the universe had just been restarted anew after Secret Wars, the new cosmic hierarchy hadn't been established yet. That was the loophole Order and Chaos used to kill him; up until that point they thought they still had to obey the old rules. He basically did it to himself. Everything is still in flux.
I feel so out of place by not digging this. Feel like a buddy spoiled it for me by remarking how it was so heavy on exposition and I couldn't help notice that the whole. In terms of showing-not-telling, Guardians 2 is a major let down. If you watched 1 and 2 back-to-back, maybe it tracks better, but I just couldn't get anywhere with the flimsy pretenses and rehashing of the "we're your family now" stuff.
#levels
Hey now! Maria Hill's not that big.
Though if she was, she'd be Drax's kind of gal. He likes his women with meat on their bones.
Nah. She like 95lbs wet.
I just saw it. I enjoyed it and even made me emotional sometimes, its not a classic but I found it pretty good.
I heard there's 5 stingers? fucking Marvel, I'm getting tired of waiting for your credits to end. I waited until the "Adam" part (no idea what that is, I guess another obscure character just like all of them), did I miss something important after that?
I heard there's 5 stingers? fucking Marvel, I'm getting tired of waiting for your credits to end. I waited until the "Adam" part (no idea what that is, I guess another obscure character just like all of them), did I miss something important after that?
LilWayneSuckz
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Never read about Ego before (or Peter's dad) in the comics, so when the heel turn happened and they showed Ego kissing a bunch of aliens I kinda was on the edge of my seat cuz I had no idea what was happening. And I love it.
Thanos looked for his keys.
Team Filler
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Thought it was better than the first, loved the Zune gag. I'm pretty sure Baby Groot is going to get all the ladies moist. All of them.
Lord of Castamere
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Baby Groot and Batista were the best. I almost died when he brought the thumb back.
It was quality Marvel. In that tier right below the absolute best. I can't wait for the final movie, with them bonded, in full team mode.
It was quality Marvel. In that tier right below the absolute best. I can't wait for the final movie, with them bonded, in full team mode.
They should be, but nothing will happen to the universe of consequence because Thanos has to be the only villain to actually succeed. Thanos knows everyone will job because of plot set up.
Ego is a hella of a drug
Team Filler
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I'm not very familiar with cosmic Marvel lore, are celestials and Thanos equal threats to each other?
No. Thanos is a bitch to a Celestial. That said, it always depends on the writers, and Ego got promoted to Celestial for the MCU, he isn't usually one.
I wonder if that will be different for the MCU if Thanos will be stronger than a Celestial. Since it sort of makes Thanos seem a lot less impressive if the Guardians already took out a guy who was stronger than him.
Well, not all celestials are created equal. Some are near the power of Odin or Galactus and others are much more powerful. Ego might have been considered small potatoes amongst the other Celestials since he didn't even seem to know about them.
With the full Infinity Gauntlet, you can literally rewrite the universe, again depending on the writers. The MCU writers twist things to fit their narrative so we'll just have to wait and see.
True enough.
Also I just read this...
The plant Ego put on Earth gave the Earth a tumor and then he gave Quill's mother a tumor and then Groot gave Ego a tumor.
(obviously the plant and bomb weren't literal tumors)
Despite his destructive capabilities, it took Ego an awful lot of time and effort just to go after the Guardians. He seems more capable of destroying planets from afar than he is defending himself.
I'd imagine that Thanos will probably establish himself by meeting up with an established character and snapping his neck like a twig.
I'd imagine that Thanos will probably establish himself by meeting up with an established character and snapping his neck like a twig.
RIP Heimdall
Easily defeating Odin, if not killing him, would be a good measure for the moviegoing audience I think. Without the stones, he's close to Odin's power level. With a stone or two he might have an edge. Especially if he can fight him before Odin can call up the full power of the Odinforce.
Dongs Macabre
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They'll introduce Adam Warlock and Thanos will immediately kill him.
Biggest-Geek-Ever
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Ever since Thor Ragnarok was announced, I've assumed that whoever the villain in the marketing was would be a feint, and the film would end with Thanos launching an assult on Asgard and destroying it utterly.
Thanos doing so and killing Odin would be an excellent way of establishing him.
LukasTaves
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Ego said Peter draws power from the light inside the planet and without that light his celestial genes are useless and he becomes basically a regular human.
It felt a lot like they didn't wanted Peter to be super powerful and came up with a lame excuse while still having the celestial plot laying out.
He's gotta get the tesseract somehow.
Jest Chillin
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Random old man and Man in the truck are the same iirc. Peter's Grandfather.
MugiwaraCole
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Telling y'all, Vision is outta here.
Pretty sure it's James Gunn's dad. He and James Gunn's mother where in the car.
Obliterator
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This film is doing the exact same thing to me the first film did right after I saw it. All day just scene after scene keeps popping in my head, and that's pretty rare for Marvel films to do to me even though I love them.
There's just something about Guardians, that they play so well in retrospect, not just during live viewing
There's just something about Guardians, that they play so well in retrospect, not just during live viewing
Vision, Asgard, Knowhere, The Nova Corps and the Sanctum Santorum are all kaput.
Pagusas
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Doesn't Asgard get destroyed in Thor 3? Looks like it from the trailers
bigboss370
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so StarLord doesn't have the powers anymore? That sucks :/
Please let John C. Reilly get one more scene.
Grizzlyjin
Supersonic, idiotic, disconnecting, not respecting, who would really ever wanna go and top that
I just thought it was okay. I don't find 90% of the jokes in this or the first movie that funny. And this isn't some deep complex drama so a lot of your enjoyment is going to be dependent on finding this amusing. That is exacerbated by Vol 2 being so joke dense. There were a couple times I just wanted it to let the moment breathe a little. The colorfulness and attempts to have fun bump it up a little for me. And it does try to connect with the viewer emotionally with setups throughout the movie, instead of a late game "We're family" like Suicide Squad.
It's one of those movies that I didn't love but I could never say that I hated or even disliked. Sorta like Iron Man 3.
MugiwaraCole
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Remembering "that guy was a jackass!" was enough for me. Yondu was a real one.
When the hell are the skrulls and Galactus and Annihilation showing up? After Thanos goes down?
Galactus is showing up when Fox realizes that they can't make F4 happen so they sell them to Marvel.
Fox has Galactus and Silver Surfer.
However, I'm sticking by my theory that Marvel and Fox have talked behind the scenes and that James Gunn's comment that Vol.3 will set the stage for the following 10 years of the MCU means that we'll be getting Galactus.
I was rewatching the scene where Peter grab Power Stone and the rest of the Guardians risk their lives to help absorb the power so Peter wouldn't die doing it himself. The fact that when Gamora told him to grab her hand and he see his mom on her deathbed. Picturing that this is his chance to reach for help when he couldn't as a kid. The music swelling to crescendo.
My god that was such a great scene. Definitely top 5 of my favorite emotional scenes in the entire MCU. If not top 3.
My god that was such a great scene. Definitely top 5 of my favorite emotional scenes in the entire MCU. If not top 3.
Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 2 is a miracle. James Gunn has crafted the most soulful Marvel film yet. It's not as cohesive or, to be blunt, as good as the original, but it comes close. Gunn experiments a lot more this go-around, and although not all of it works, it's mostly fascinating in its own ambitious mess.
The most intriguing thing changed here is the tone. Calling this an all-out comedy like the first one was feels wrong. The original Guardians leaned into drama at points to really let the characters; Vol. 2 bathes in it so much, it truly ends up overtaking the comedy. This is a very good thing. This allows most comparative criticism to the original to be irrelevant (although I realize I have already partaken in some). Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 2 is its own beast, although it's definitely a slightly messy one.
This is not to say it's not a funny movie. It is. It might not be its prime objective, but these characters interacting with each other is simply amusing. Expanded roles for Nebula and Yondu and awesome new characters in Klementieff's Mantis and Russell's Ego really help this ensemble reach its maximum potential. Just like in the original film, no one clearly stands out; everyone serves their purpose perfectly. Picking a favorite character is impossible; they all have at least one truly fantastic moment.
Now onto the less savory bits. One can easily complain the drama seems forced at points. After all, half of the "big" moments in the film dramatically are punctuated with a melodramatic score while a character monologues. Yet, it always leads to something interesting, if something made a bit too obvious. Also, the first half hour is way too comfortable retreading the original in tone and in style. It leads one to worry that this might be another Iron Man 2, rather than the sequel the original deserved. Yet, once these shift, the first half hour becomes forgivable because it brought the characters to the point where things simply must change. Meanwhile, the third act is admittedly too convoluted for its own good. That said, it's clear that everything in there (with the exception of a disappointing turn to a character that I'll put at a note at the end of this post with the only other spoiler I plan on mentioning) is well planned-out and always easy to follow. Also, it leads to the single best final ten minutes of any MCU film, one that I doubt could ever be possibly topped. Just wow.
There's a lot to talk about with Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 2. I haven't even gotten into the action (it constantly reinvents itself in a really creative way), the truly weird moments (it has some of the most bizarre moments in a Marvel film yet), or the now infamous Baby Groot (he's good, mostly thanks to having the smallest role, no pun intended). That is fantastic. Even more fantastic? It's completely standalone! Marvel has finally produced its first truly interesting movie, playing with intricate themes while still being wildly entertaining through its heartfelt cast. This is a film that should inspire conversations about its flaws and its strengths, rather than being forgotten after opening weekend. Gunn has performed the impossible for Marvel, delivering a sequel that might not always be perfect but is always marvelous.
Spoiler stuff: Kurt Russell becoming less of a character and more an entity after Rocket and Yondu land the ship on him is hella disappointing. I understand the Sovereign people had to return, but it shouldn't have been at the expense of Ego getting the send-off he deserved. Man went from possible #1 Marvel villain ever to around #3 or #4. But speaking of send-offs, damn, Yondu got a fantastic one. I was bawling for the entire last ten minutes.
The most intriguing thing changed here is the tone. Calling this an all-out comedy like the first one was feels wrong. The original Guardians leaned into drama at points to really let the characters; Vol. 2 bathes in it so much, it truly ends up overtaking the comedy. This is a very good thing. This allows most comparative criticism to the original to be irrelevant (although I realize I have already partaken in some). Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 2 is its own beast, although it's definitely a slightly messy one.
This is not to say it's not a funny movie. It is. It might not be its prime objective, but these characters interacting with each other is simply amusing. Expanded roles for Nebula and Yondu and awesome new characters in Klementieff's Mantis and Russell's Ego really help this ensemble reach its maximum potential. Just like in the original film, no one clearly stands out; everyone serves their purpose perfectly. Picking a favorite character is impossible; they all have at least one truly fantastic moment.
Now onto the less savory bits. One can easily complain the drama seems forced at points. After all, half of the "big" moments in the film dramatically are punctuated with a melodramatic score while a character monologues. Yet, it always leads to something interesting, if something made a bit too obvious. Also, the first half hour is way too comfortable retreading the original in tone and in style. It leads one to worry that this might be another Iron Man 2, rather than the sequel the original deserved. Yet, once these shift, the first half hour becomes forgivable because it brought the characters to the point where things simply must change. Meanwhile, the third act is admittedly too convoluted for its own good. That said, it's clear that everything in there (with the exception of a disappointing turn to a character that I'll put at a note at the end of this post with the only other spoiler I plan on mentioning) is well planned-out and always easy to follow. Also, it leads to the single best final ten minutes of any MCU film, one that I doubt could ever be possibly topped. Just wow.
There's a lot to talk about with Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 2. I haven't even gotten into the action (it constantly reinvents itself in a really creative way), the truly weird moments (it has some of the most bizarre moments in a Marvel film yet), or the now infamous Baby Groot (he's good, mostly thanks to having the smallest role, no pun intended). That is fantastic. Even more fantastic? It's completely standalone! Marvel has finally produced its first truly interesting movie, playing with intricate themes while still being wildly entertaining through its heartfelt cast. This is a film that should inspire conversations about its flaws and its strengths, rather than being forgotten after opening weekend. Gunn has performed the impossible for Marvel, delivering a sequel that might not always be perfect but is always marvelous.
Spoiler stuff: Kurt Russell becoming less of a character and more an entity after Rocket and Yondu land the ship on him is hella disappointing. I understand the Sovereign people had to return, but it shouldn't have been at the expense of Ego getting the send-off he deserved. Man went from possible #1 Marvel villain ever to around #3 or #4. But speaking of send-offs, damn, Yondu got a fantastic one. I was bawling for the entire last ten minutes.
Obliterator
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Gunn can fucking nail the emotions. I agree that scene in Guardians 1 was incredible, and I adored the scene in Guardians 2 where Yondu says he controlled the arrow not with his head, but with his heart, and it showed those flashes of Quill with the various Guardians. Beautiful stuff.
Guardians has HEART in spades, and that makes up for its missteps for me. You can feel the love poured all over these films
You must've. During their talk on the couch, Ego repeated multiple times "as long as the light in this planet is alive" that Peter is immortal/a celestial.
Who will ever think that Dave fucking Bautista will be the higher point of Guardians of the Galaxy.
...And i love every fucking piece of it. I dont imagine another person playing as Drax better than Dave.
I really loved the movie. I dont liked that now Ayesha created Adam Warlock (since they are like equals) but i really want to see the end of this trilogy.
Guardians is a whole different cinematic universe inside the MCU. And i love that too.
...And i love every fucking piece of it. I dont imagine another person playing as Drax better than Dave.
I really loved the movie. I dont liked that now Ayesha created Adam Warlock (since they are like equals) but i really want to see the end of this trilogy.
Guardians is a whole different cinematic universe inside the MCU. And i love that too.