You think Trump supporters care what is written in the FAKE NEWS MSM failing NYT?
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You think Trump supporters care what is written in the FAKE NEWS MSM failing NYT?
jellies_two
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Ann coulter has turned on him today.
That's something.
She ridiculed his great negotiation skills.
Mighty Chin
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Those Republicans up for re-election will begin to change their mind soon enough.
Ann Coulter's only allegiance is to whatever will get Ann Coulter money. Commentators are not Congress.
The Republicans reps will ride this toupeed jackolantern until the very last moment then (attempt to) bail to safety. The window may be getting small, but theyre slimey enough to fit through smaller
BoogieWoogie
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I'm going to feel a lot better knowing Trump is out of the country for a few days this week.
I know people say "but Democrats had power back then" but Republicans even turned on Nixon, FYI
TheCochese
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Not happening in GA-6 thus far. Handel has accepted Trump's presence.
We'll see if it works, but it's a dead heat at this point.
Might as well treat anything before 1980 as a different era, like baseball does with records.
In particular, 1994 seemed to change things. They went full on fuck it mode.
It depends on whether the calculus shows it as more damaging to have Trump in office and deeply unpopular or to have active impeachment proceedings against a Republican president. My suspicion is that they will try to hold out until the mid-terms. I hope it burns them either way.
That's definitely true but there were a lot of die hard Republicans during the Nixon era that stuck with him until literally days before Nixon resigned.
GoldenEye 007
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About the time when batshit insane evangelicals started exerting their grip and influence over the GOP.
David Incorporated Esq.
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Apparently they fought back for quite some time, though. There was a recent article about this from--Vox or NYT?--where republican support rallied in a big way when the media went all in on Nixon. Eventually they'll cave, I suppose, but in the mean time THE FAKE MEDIA IS OUT TO DESTROY OUR PRESIDENT.
Knowing Trump, he's going to try and take as many people with him as possible to dodge as much blame for himself as he can. Of course he might pull an itwasmeAustin.gif and prove to be a Dem plant like many assumed early on.
If you want a (terrifying) look at why most of the Republican Party seems to be comprised of lunatics, I recommend this book:
Republican Gomorrah by Max Blumenthal
But yes, ever since Newt Gingrich's Republican Revolution, the rise of the "Moral Majority" and the impeachment proceedings for Bill Clinton we have been pretty much entirely through the looking glass.
Trump's biggest problem is that it's all still about Russia. Comey gets fired ostensibly for his mishandling of the Clinton investigation -then Trump gives an interview saying he believes Comey was wasting his time with Russia. Trump's lawyers release a statement on his taxes, but the letter again mentions Russian connections.
His problem is Russia, and he tries to distract Russia with Russia. That's not a distraction, he's compounding what he should be able to spin as several small scandals into one big unified conspiracy theory, that, while normally would be seen as a kook, is being strengthened by such actions as... meeting with Kislyak, who was at the centre of the Flynn firing, in the Oval office. And if that wasn't bad enough, hid the meeting from the Western press, and then cried foul when the Russians "leaked" the meeting.
Hell, Trump is even making North Korea about Russia, by citing Russian concerns in the White House letter condemning NK's missile tests.
All of this means that every story justs adds to the Russia one, and that there are no distractions.
Ah, I stand corrected then.
Yeah, I'm sure if the media keeps this up and Trump's poll numbers keep going down the Republicans will definitely turn on him. I think that Ossof run-off election is going to matter a lot because it might be the Republicans seeing an impending democrat wave.
habithipster
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Stop it, you're ruining the "nothing will happen" narrative.
I bet he is legitimately wondering if he can just run off to Russia.
Why would Russia want him at that point ? He no longer offers them anything of substance if he's not President
He wouldn't because he'd probably lose a lot of his wealth. He'd lose almost all of his fame, which is basically his life force. And since he'd have no further value to Russia and would likely be some kind of liability, Putin would probably off him
Yeah, they most likely want him to ride it out until the very end. I wonder if there are any other countries that would take him. Azerbaijan maybe?
The fact that he's probably terrified at this very moment is great. He's damned if he runs and damned if he doesn't.
If GA-06 goes to Ossoff expect to see the GOP in a panic. You may see a lot of jumping off in reaction to that as they start fearing a wave of losses in 2018.
TheCochese
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Trump isn't going to run off to some other country unless he is facing imminent arrest. Think about the most important thing to him: his name. He flees, his name is forever trashed. He's going to have a hard enough time after the Presidency even if he serves all of one or two terms.
Felix Lighter
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I honestly think that a lot of GOP are not that far off from turning on Trump but they aren't going to push anything until serious evidence comes from the FBI investigation. They won't turn on him from media sources, though. They know a large portion of the GOP base will happily jump off the Trump train for Pence or Ryan if the leadership tells them too. They just need to mitigate the damage from the hardcore Trumpers.
They can't arrest him until after he is impeached or he resigns.
They can't arrest him until after he is impeached or he resigns.
super-heated plasma
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Don't see that on msnbc website yet. But if true it finally means the MSM are talking about it.
SuperEpicMan
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This is beginning to feel like we are on the tipping point. I get the impression that the only thing holding them together at this stage is because so many of them are either outright complicit, or at least enabled the situation, they probably realise if Trump is toast, then so are they. They will try to hold out as long as they can, but once they realise he's done, then I suspect they will all fall over themselves trying to cut deals.
Where is the fucking President, Donald Trump, going to hide? He's like if Bin Laden and Assange hosted the Oscars together. He'd be the most notorious and recognizable fugitive in history. He'd have a Hitler's chance in South America of staying hidden. He'd be spotted faster than Elvis in a 7-11. He's a 300lbs Where's Waldo wearing a dayglo orange tan.
While I doubt it, I'll jump for joy if this happens.
SuperEpicMan
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He isn't going to get arrested, the establishment always looks to save face so he will resign at best when the heat gets too much, get a pardon and the investigation will take a few small timers down and fade away.
I would love it if that didn't happen but rich, powerful people always get away with it. I don't think the US government gives a damn about trust in government so will try to save face and let Trump off easy.
I would love it if that didn't happen but rich, powerful people always get away with it. I don't think the US government gives a damn about trust in government so will try to save face and let Trump off easy.
BoogieWoogie
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Except in Trump Tower or Mar-a-Lago.
Related but the next season of Arrested Development would be perfect if it focused on George Bluth Sr running for President.
Didn't Republicans only turn on Nixon after the tapes were released?
They'll definitely support him for a while longer... They have an agenda they would like to push, and he's useful for the time being as long as they can get any of their garbage agenda through.
Which, thanks to Trump's propensity for always being in the news, isn't likely to happen.
Maybe he'd hole up with Snowden in Putin's Russia. How he gets there is where his Russian handler earns his salary!
KernelPanic
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All the IC has to do is release the evidence against Trump and his posse and GOP will turn on him.
Out of self-preservation of course.
SuperEpicMan
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Haha that would be awesome.
BronsonLee
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No wonder Trump hates him now!
Journeywalker
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There are almost always solutions if you throw money at it. Facial prosthetics and plastic surgery are the first to come to mind.
TheCochese
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Trump wouldn't hide. It's not in his DNA. He'd hole up in some non-extradition country screaming on Twitter that he was innocent.
Joe and Mika apparently took a run at Kellyanne this morning; specifically they say she secretly hates him and is disloyal.
It will be fascinating to see if this causes him to dump her or double down on sending her out to prove her devotion, because if there's one thing Trump won't tolerate it's underlings being less than fanatical.
I guess what we really need is somebody to stealth-tape Ivanka criticizing her dad, ideally with Kushner. Trump'd explode.
Karsticles
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Anyone in Trump's position is so egomaniacal that they think they will get away with it.
It will definitely take some time for opinions to shift. Representatives will put their head in the sand until it is clear he will not recover.
Personally, I am faxing my senators and rep every day until a special prosecutor or commission is established (they are all republicans).
Ben Sasse might be close to calling for one, my rep and Deb fischer are slow on the uptake.
Edit: I meant Republican politicans.
For the Republicans, it's pretty clear what their perspective is.
1) They have immense power right now, they are all greedily attempting to take advantage as fast and as much as they can before Trump implodes, taking them down with him.
2) A massive percentage of their base still blindingly support Trump. it'd be like a democrat criticizing Obama when he was at his peak approval. Politicians think of their own survival first and foremost, might as well hand in a letter of resignation.
3) They know that once Trump goes down, the tide will turn, giving Democrats a huge opportunity. Why would they want to take down Trump when they have so much on the line?
To them it's about winning by any means necessary: lies, corruption, the good of the american people. Nothing will stand in the way.
They all have their own very specific agendas, bought and paid for by visible and non-visible corporations and billionaires. The Repubs are all individually attempting to benefit as much as possible in this time of great power that they have before it all comes crashing down.
I truthfully do not believe that they don't know Trump is in the pocket of Russia, it's that they don't give a shit. They want to line their own pockets before they miss their chance.
For the Republicans, it's pretty clear what their perspective is.
1) They have immense power right now, they are all greedily attempting to take advantage as fast and as much as they can before Trump implodes, taking them down with him.
2) A massive percentage of their base still blindingly support Trump. it'd be like a democrat criticizing Obama when he was at his peak approval. Politicians think of their own survival first and foremost, might as well hand in a letter of resignation.
3) They know that once Trump goes down, the tide will turn, giving Democrats a huge opportunity. Why would they want to take down Trump when they have so much on the line?
To them it's about winning by any means necessary: lies, corruption, the good of the american people. Nothing will stand in the way.
They all have their own very specific agendas, bought and paid for by visible and non-visible corporations and billionaires. The Repubs are all individually attempting to benefit as much as possible in this time of great power that they have before it all comes crashing down.
I truthfully do not believe that they don't know Trump is in the pocket of Russia, it's that they don't give a shit. They want to line their own pockets before they miss their chance.
Why would you do this job if you're not a true believer?
She has tanked her credibility in this gig. Though she is fascinatingly good at communicating utter bullshit.
Yeah im pretty sure thats the perspective of the democrats perspective of the republicans, not the actual perspective of the republicans. They dont believe themselves to be lying corrupt and greedy, nor blindly supporting Trump.
Repubilcan perspective (hard to parse because there are like 4 factions of republican) is more like this:
1. Trump is innocent
2. Russia collusion is fake news made up by democrats
3. Liberals are stupid and believe anything they read on the internet
4. Trump knows what he's doing, and is successful in what he does
5. "I'm not racist, I just have extremely prejudiced beliefs about categories of people based on their color and religion.", "Only the second amendment is important and peoples lives should be honored and protected as long as theyre fetuses in the womb but as soon as theyre born they need to pick themselves up by their boot straps and stop leeching off society", etc.
All of which leave paper trails and witnesses etc. He's far too high profile for that.
Also, he's got way too much ego for that anyway.
KernelPanic
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Conway is from the Mercer/Bannon wing and Trump hasn't really been following their agenda lately.
Master Yoshi
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I believe they are much more calculated and self aware than you give them credit. The GOP are master manipulators, not good ol' boys who fight the good fight for the unborn and the right for those unborn to bear arms. They use highly controversial issues such as these to move their pieces across the board with less resistance.
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