I agree with you. You have to look at context and understand why RE7 (500k under projections), SFV (600k) and DR4 (over 1m) each underperformed rather than take it as an indictment on the platforms themselves or consoles+PC in general. Just as you should for MHXX's underperformance (300k). XX underperforming doesn't necessarily mean an audience rejection of 3DS or handhelds either.
Is it? I'd put all my localization chops on World to make the global launch...they did Generations in-house right? Otherwise just ignore me.
To be honest what we've seen so far of World doesn't really look beyond Switch spec for a downport. Just like SFV or RE7.
An HD remastering of a spinoff upgrade for the market where you could've banked on MH5 doing 3-4m doesn't seem so clear cut. Unless that's why World isn't MH5 anymore and Ichinose's team got upgraded to the main series.
Yeah, but think about that line of reasoning for a minute. There are a lot of games that will be coming out that, in theory, could be downported to the Switch, but aren't. Older releases like FFXV, Yalkyria Revolution, Dark Souls 3, Fallout 4, or new games like Psycho Break 2, Assassin's Creed Origins, or hell, most any new 3rd-party AAA game.
How are so many random fans the arbiters of what is and is not part of the main series? Didn't the Dengeki piece just reveal they were going to call it MH5 but didn't because they preferred the name 'World' and figured it would make it more accessible to new players (since it is releasing on systems that haven't had any retail MH games). That and X is a main series game that also didn't have a number on it, so I don't think they're 100% bound to call it that either.
Or...since you are pulling this out of nowhere, maybe things change...like the name?? Do you know final names don't become final until they are finalized? Or you know, games in development change too, yep...thats a thing...but lets ignore all the things they got right. People do realize that some rumors are half-truths right?Why do people keep saying this? The name in the rumor was wrong:
The logo itself says "Double Cross" on it. How does someone who actually has inside info see that, and nonetheless say the name is "Cross Cross" instead of what's plastered on the damn thing. They got lucky that the name had two X's in it, but that's all. If they had any degree of inside info, they would have actually seen the logo of all things and known the name was pronounced "Double Cross" and not "Cross Cross."
That they got such a big thing wrong and that that not only didn't toss the rumor into the garbage, but it's held up to somehow validate it anyway because "yeah, they got the pronunciation wrong, despite it being clearly being visible in the logo... But they kinda sort of got it half-right and were closer than anyone else, so it still counts anyway despite not being the actual name" and be proof that it's right just breaks my brain.
They somehow knew about all these backroom deals and drama and the like between Capcom and Sony and Nintendo and stuff and know how they all reacted to that, but despite knowing the juiciest gossip about the game possible they can't get the damn name right of all things and we're supposed to give them credit for it anyway as if that didn't happen? I don't get that. How do you know about backroom deals and moneyhatting and the like, but yet apparently never so much as saw the actual logo of the game (or have your source tell you the frickin' kana printed right underneath it that says the same thing) you apparently know oh-so-much about at the same time? That doesn't work for me.
And of course, that's ignoring all the other stuff being wrong about it, such as it being confirmed that World does indeed have all the weapon types and there's no hints of QTE events or anything of the sort thus far. It's garbage.
Maybe XX was the production name before any logo art was made.
Also if the drama behind the scene was as big of a deal as it sounds, its no surprise gossip like that is all over the place. You think people never gossip about work drama? Or that since gossip is part of the rumor that it discredits it?
Details about World (taken from the OP of the other thread):
Hunters can now hunt freely without being held back by the main objective/quest, even if the quest is complete. Hunters can hunt freely without any limits now.
You mean like no time limits? Missions don't have the same format, so do you think since you aren't bound by them, someone might think they were gone?
More clarification on maps/zones: "It's not open world game, but all the maps are massive and wide open, without any loading screens"
Sounds like a change in the game that someone would describe as open world, but not Open World™
Multiplayer is online-only, there is no local co-op
totally in the rumor
Also there does seem to be a focus/change in combat with grappling hooks, using environments, mounting(?) and a focus on the West.
Just like the name of MH5 (mentioned in the rumor) changing to World, monsters and weapons could have been added later. Even the way Sony was the one who showed it off at their conference points to there being some type of deal with Capcom with this game.
Not all the details are accurate, but there is a good amount of it besides stuff that became true, that it seems more than just a coincidence of someone pulling it all out of their ass. That doesn't confirm all the gossip by a long shot, but there are enough details that are accurate enough that they plausibly had some inside info, which makes some of the other info seem more plausible, especially the non-gossipy stuff.
What happens if there is a MH Portable? People'll just say, "Yeah, but Sony isn't desperate for Japan, so that rumor is still bullshit."
I agree with all of this and I also think it's easy to see how Capcom arrived here when making decisions in 2014/2015 versus where the market actually is today. Back then both PS4 and XB1 were breaking sales records, the narrative of handhelds/Nintendo dying in the west had taken hold, prospects for PS4 looked great in Japan with FFXV/DQXI coming to drive userbase and no one really knew what NX was going to be. Today though we know that the initial console momentum wasn't maintained and PS4/XB1 look like they'll settle into more normal cycles, 3DS had a bizarre Pokémon fueled resurgence in the west (and is the only hardware up TTM in NPD afaik), PS4 has continually failed to really take off in Japan and Switch is the little hybrid that's taking the world by storm. Hindsight is 20/20.
The thing is none of those AAA console games had 3 previous installments that sold 4m+ on Switch's predecessor. Equating Monster Hunter to just another AAA console game is the fundamental mistake you're making. It does make some sense that Evil Within 2, Asscreed Origins or whatever else might be missing Switch this holiday after having been caught flat footed by it's surprise success. That logic doesn't so directly apply to the next mainline MH though.
Don't get too caught up in language, the Portable and X lines are both "main" and "spinoff" installments by various definitions. I'm not denigrating World here but I also have to wonder why it's not being called "Monster Hunter 5" in at least Japan. Outside the original PS2 Monster Hunter all the other main games have had different titles in the west and Japan anyway so that can't be the issue. World branding does make sense for the west but not really in Japan so the change is curious unless it's to keep that 5 in reserve.
Beyond that it doesn't seem they care much about it. It had the one spot in a direct and nothing since then. If XX is all they're getting in Japan for the Switch and that appears to be the case and nothing in the west they might have decided to just finish out the contract with as little cost as possible. If Capcom is pulling Monster Hunter from Nintendo then it makes no sense at all to invest further in Stories since it didn't do well in Japan I'm the first place. There is no benefit to Nintendo investing anymore resources when they get nothing in return with Monster Hunter now gone.
For fans it might be good but at this point Nintendo likely doesn't benefit at all if the next entry isn't being released and we now know it isn't. The franchise is pretty much if not certainly gone from Nintendo hardware other then the XX port for Japan. There would be no reason for Nintendo to foot the bill for a localization.
Until I see AAI2 or the two Dai Gyakuten Saiban games over here, I have zero faith in their followthough.
Hmmm...Nintendo already is hitting local portable multi quite hard. That is the central thrust of their software strategy in the first year. Kart/Arms/Splatoon from a first party perspective and popular sports games from a third party perspective. You'd think MH would've been the ideal tip of that spear for them and Switch is getting XX in Japan at least, but Splatoon is also doing a lot of heavy listing in this regard wrt Japan.
You're trying to reason with someone who would rather think that whatever is wrong in the rumor just up and changed between the rumor and the reveal. It will never be wrong because things change. And anything else that is wrong can be right if we redefine the rumor. There's no point.
Yeah... I guess I'm importing in August.
