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R.I.P Denuvo - Tekken 7 and Dishonored 2 cracked
- Thread starter Elven_Star
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Another incredibly obtuse post ignoring years worth of discussion regarding DRM's effect on legitimate costumers.
People who want to buy a game they buy it.
Wrap it up everyone...
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Mithos
Member
Rise of the Tomb Raider
Mirror's Edge Catalyst
Resident Evil 7: Biohazard
Tales of Berseria
Conan Exiles
NieR: Automata
Mass Effect: Andromeda
All games I'm interested in, but have chosen to not buy/will not buy because of them being infested with Denuvovirus.
That's pretty sad. Pretty much why I try to stay away from walled gardens and DRM when possible.
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Definitely want to play NieR and Tales as well, but I will not support Denuvo.
Nah, you can gtfo with that bullshit. Denuvo has a shitload of impact on people who buy games. Trying to paint people who dislike getting fucked over despite being lefit consumers as pirates is disgusting.
Why is it sad? You can still play all these games
Grim Patron
Member
Nice try.
texhnolyze
Banned
It's kinda funny to me that Gaf has now become the main source of Denuvo-cracked games news.
I'll never know that the games are now cracked if not because of this thread.
I'll never know that the games are now cracked if not because of this thread.
Your cakes are actual objects. When they get stolen there is a real, actual loss that you incur.
When a game is illegally copied, no actual object is stolen. A copy is made. And a flawed copy, at that given the fact such copies cannot be played in multiplayer within the legal playgrounds i.e. Steam, PSN, etc.
This is not to say that it is not illegal appropriation of copyrighted material - it absolutely is. But to claim a potential lost sale from a copied game is a far more nebulous assertion than claiming unpaid for eaten cakes as a loss.
But that is moot, because absolutely nobody in here is advocating the illegal copying of games. I repeat - nobody in here is advocating for it.
People are railing against poison being administered as a[n alleged] cure. It really isn't that difficult to understand. Denuvo has proved itself to be an obstruction to paying customers, far less so to persons acquiring their games without paying for them. It costs publishers a large chunk of money, without offering anything demonstrably beneficial in return. Also the cost of its inclusion [to the publisher] is passed on the consumer, in one way or another. There is a lot for those of us who legally purchase our software to dislike about Denuvo.
I am still wroth with Sony over the whole CD/DVD DRM rookit debacle from a decade and a half ago. Reformatting my PC was not something I was particularly keen on. If there hadn't been the outcry there was over that, I'd hate to see where we'd be today. Sony would probably have a monopoly on the Antivirus business.
I know, right. lmao
Btw, does anyone know if Denuvo fucks with Tekken offline play? Arkham Knight had annoying call-ins required.
CecilRousso
Member
Great news.
Fantastic.
Hopefully they're also working to remove the online requirements, and make the Elusive Targets available now that the first season is over.
God these elusive targets being one-time only is the absolute worst. I want to kill Gary Busey and you're telling me I've missed my chance forever? Fuck that. The ultimate dick move of incentivizing people to play your game near release.
What if you weren't even born, weren't old enough to play Hitman yet? No chance of killing Gary Busey. 'Dad, can I kill Gary Busey?' 'No son, and neither could I'
Katcrawler
Banned
Wtf is wrong with some of you in here? Do you work for Denuvo or something? Why the fuck are you arguing for stronger DRM? It has been proven time and time again that the only people DRM like Denuvo hurts is consumers who actually pay for their games. I swear to god that anyone here who argues for more DRM are actual people who make a living off screwing users like me with DRM.
Spukc
always chasing the next thrill
Lanrutcon
Member
Damnit, better refund my copy and...nah. They make good games. I want a sequel.
(go buy it, it's fantastic)
Elven_Star
Member
Titanfall 2.
Is everything ok buddy? You seem distressed.
Already cooped it, was hilarious.
CecilRousso
Member
You're missing a point that's been explained many times in this thread.
Spukc
always chasing the next thrill
Yeah the point will be that the next pirate protection will be 10 times worse.
I hope you like always online 😍
If you had even the remotest jackshit of an idea what you are talking about you'd knew that always online drm on pc already has been tried and failed hard
CecilRousso
Member
Very few publishers and developers will be able to, or even want to, invest in always online infrastructure and maintenance, so no, I'm now worried about that.
And as said so many times in the Denuvo threads, excessive DRM is not the key to success on PC, as sales figures so clearly show.
Sarcastic Poster
Member
A couple. Ghost Recon: Wildlands, Titanfall 2, a few others.
Spukc
always chasing the next thrill
Like diablo 3 ? Always online ?
Turned out pretty good for them in the long run
I like that you choose to spread fear. Do note that Microsoft, a corporate giant fail to implement their always online console.
Btw, Denuvo is also bad. Online authentication servers not owned by the platform holder e.g. Steam seems like a disaster waiting to happen.
Who is going to pay Denuvo to keep their authentication servers online? The publishers will not pay, Steam will not pay.
Do you want to support companies that set an expiration date on your digital content in the time where we have enthusiasts who share their know how to fix technical issues on games for free?
Diablo is a franchise that has been seen as a multiplayer game more so than a single player one with the release of the second title already, it had severe launch issues, a giant shitstorm underneath its ass and only became succesful after blizzard made a fuckton of amendments like patching out the real money auction house.
Meanwhile actual single player titles like ac2 or sim city all bombed so hard due to their always online that no one tried again
Spukc
always chasing the next thrill
No they bombed hard cause the first one was a shitty port
And the last one was a shitty simcity with a way to small area to build on.
Fyi when i got simcity day 1 i got deadspace 3 day1 for free as an excuse for the servers.
So no complaints from me
LordRaptor
Member
LMAO that's like going to see a Spielberg film but the projectors fucked so they give you a free ticket for the Adam Sandler flick playing next door instead
CecilRousso
Member
AC2 might have been a shitty port, but Ubisoft tried the always online requirement for several games, before dropping it.
Deathknell
Member
Lmao you clearly have no idea what youre talking about.
Spukc
always chasing the next thrill
Lmao
LordRaptor
Member
From the horses mouth:
"We have listened to feedback" is business speak for "this was costing us sales"
More likely it served it's purpose and is not required anymore.
It was incredibly redundant, though. All progress was locked behind an online connection (at least at launch), so Denuvo was actually "protecting" a very small, almost insignificant, part of the game. If anything, IOI removing it shows that it was more a corporate mandate than a decision made by the developers, if you ask me.
Also, lol at the very low effort trolling in this last page. Top quality bait.
Dre_G_Writer
Member
can someone explain to me like im five, about how denuvo is anti-consumer??? Im outta the loop on this stuff.
I think it was more Publisher's decision. IO is now independent and probably wants to make a good impression. Getting rid of Denuvo is a good start and a smart move, I think.
Spukc
always chasing the next thrill
Count me in
Limits modding, prevents offline play after some time, relies on regular online activation servers to work, so your game will stop working the day Denuvo goes down. Also makes development of useful external programs harder. Rainway needed to do quite a few changes on their development because Denuvo obfuscated controller input/compability.
Hentailover
Member
1. Affects performance of the game. Meaning, legitimate consumers that pay for the game get a worse version than pirates that hack denuvo out do, because it runs better. Evidence is not completely 100% definitive yet, but it's there and is fairly convincing, that Denuvo DOES affect game's performance negatively, at least in some cases.
2. Preservation. it requires denuvo servers to be around. meaning that 5 years down the line, when denuvo is closed, the game you paid for and own becomes worhtless, because you can no longer start it.
CecilRousso
Member
1, It hides a server depency to a 3rd party Amazon server, that's needed for installation (and often updates to the game or your computer), otherwise you won't get to play your game. If the server would be taken down with the DRM removed, the game will become unavailable.
2. It only serves a purpose when it's uncracked and no drm free version is available, so you won't get releases at GOG or similiar sites until it's removed.
3. It only serves a purpose for the developer/publisher (if even that). You as a customer have no benefit of it.
4. If if implemented wrong, it can effect the performance of the game.
5. It can limit modding of games.
Spukc
always chasing the next thrill
Only valid point i see is limiting modding.
Wich is a shame as pc gaming mod culture is big
Performence is a non issue as far as i see it.
Doom didnt run faster after they removed denuvo.
devs use denuvo to protect their game from being pirated when it launched.
As some do remove it at a later stage.
The thing i am afraid of is that the thing that replaces denuvo will be 10 times worse.
Wich is a shame as pc gaming mod culture is big
Performence is a non issue as far as i see it.
Doom didnt run faster after they removed denuvo.
devs use denuvo to protect their game from being pirated when it launched.
As some do remove it at a later stage.
The thing i am afraid of is that the thing that replaces denuvo will be 10 times worse.
CecilRousso
Member
What would that be?
Always online is costly, and therefore only for the biggest publishers and/or games with continuous revenue.
And restricting activations based on hardware configurations is something that has already been tested, and ditched.
And streaming of games never took off, after the initial hype.
Hentailover
Member
Some=/=all
There's no way to tell which dev will bother and which don't. I don't like gambling with my purchases. But maybe I am a weirdo for thinking that consumer shouldn't guess if the singleplayer game he is buying today will or will not be available to them few years down the line.