The fact people don't know the FF"s biggest villain isn't Doom, but Richards himself shows how Fox fucked up
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Even if Marvel gets the rights to Fantastic Four back...
- Thread starter Uzumaki Goku
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Bobby Roberts
Banned
Fox/Constantin is never going to let those rights expire.
Just go retro with it, like they were gonna do in the first fuckin' place. And at this point, I feel like Fox going outside the box and being rewarded for it should be all the nudge they need to decide that with Deadpool being the self-aware spoof of superheroism, and Logan being the Western, making Fantastic Four the period-piece adventure flick is the move.
Uzumaki Goku
Junior Member
I think 7 years... which is a very generous amount of time
Septimus Prime
Member
No need for F4. Just Doom and Galactus will do.
Broken Joystick
At least you can talk. Who are you?
Richards setting up the Illuminati for Phase 4.
Do it Feige.
Do it Feige.
darkhunger
Member
Let's see if they can do Carol Danvers right... All the others have had some successful comic book runs except her. If Captain Marvel turns out well, then Feige & co. are really the gods of Hollywood producers.
Had they gotten it back before Age of Ultron I get the feeling that Ultron would have attacked Latveria while Doom was out and Civil War would've been secretly orchestrated by Doom in retaliation.
We can't ultra shitty, infect his entire team with a zombie virus Reed right off the bat.
We can't ultra shitty, infect his entire team with a zombie virus Reed right off the bat.
On the subject of the Fantastic Four...is Sue Storm one of the most dull prominent superheroes in the history of comic books? I've always found her so unengaging.
Unlike even Reed, so much of Sue's personality seems to be typified by her role as a wife and mother, while outside of those roles she doesn't seem to have any kind of identifiable presence as a character in her own right. She's always come across as exceedingly bland and passive to me...even her own powers seeming kind of flat and entirely reactionary, certainly in comparison to the much more dynamic and visually arresting power-sets of the other three. Maybe I need to read a wider ranger of Fantastic Four stories, but just as a human being, I've never really got a particularly storng sense of who Sue really is or what I should find interesting about her, both in regards to her role within the team and within the Marvel Universe as a whole.
Unlike even Reed, so much of Sue's personality seems to be typified by her role as a wife and mother, while outside of those roles she doesn't seem to have any kind of identifiable presence as a character in her own right. She's always come across as exceedingly bland and passive to me...even her own powers seeming kind of flat and entirely reactionary, certainly in comparison to the much more dynamic and visually arresting power-sets of the other three. Maybe I need to read a wider ranger of Fantastic Four stories, but just as a human being, I've never really got a particularly storng sense of who Sue really is or what I should find interesting about her, both in regards to her role within the team and within the Marvel Universe as a whole.
Of course. They made Guardians work, they made Ant-Man work, they would make FF work just fine.
There's such a range of FF stories and tones to use. Keep it light but with stakes, like Guardians. It'll work just fine.
They wouldn't portray Reed as the mad scientist he is though.
There's such a range of FF stories and tones to use. Keep it light but with stakes, like Guardians. It'll work just fine.
They wouldn't portray Reed as the mad scientist he is though.
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What makes you come to this conclusion that Doom wouldn't be what he actually is aka Tony's foil?
Dirtyshubb
Member
As someone who has only read f4 stuff that was tied into other stories and read a lot about them from here I would love marvel to tackle the whole - Richards is the most dangerous person around and is a dick but kept in line by his love for his family.
Tie that in with a more neutral Doom that could be argued is a better man than Richards as it seems to be in the comics and I would eat that shit up.
Doom is a character that fascinates me and I really need to read up on his stuff so a faithful movie version would be fantastic. Marvel having an almost anti hero Doom as one of their big ongoing characters like loki could really help diversify their output and provide some amazing opportunities for different styles of films.
Tie that in with a more neutral Doom that could be argued is a better man than Richards as it seems to be in the comics and I would eat that shit up.
Doom is a character that fascinates me and I really need to read up on his stuff so a faithful movie version would be fantastic. Marvel having an almost anti hero Doom as one of their big ongoing characters like loki could really help diversify their output and provide some amazing opportunities for different styles of films.
Ant-Man does though.
If they got the rights back they would be able to make it work.
Knuckle Sandwich
Member
They gotta get it right eventually.
X-Men(some of em), Logan, Deadpool are better than most Marvel/DC... They can do it.
Deadpool and Logan and before that Batman Begins and Dark Knight and X-Men First Class and Days of Future Past are proof you don't need Marvel. I honestly wish Marvel would take more risks than a lot of the fluff they're putting out just to generate blockbusters and build up to multi-billion box office Avengers: Infinity War etc.
Uzumaki Goku
Junior Member
I just don't get how.... you'd think such a massive bomb like the 2015 would say to anyone "Yeah, time to give it up."
Is Galactus considered a villain on the macro scale? I thought he was considered to be a necessary part of the natural order by this point.
It's complicated and no one quite knows. As far as we can say:
1. The rights were originally bought by Eichinger and likely still lie with his company Constantin. They get producer credits and the distribution rights for certain regions (notably Germany), even though Fox usually distributes its movies there themselves.
2. I looked it up a while ago, but as far as we know, these rights remain with the holder as long as they keep making a FF movie every once in a while. I think it was 7 or 10 years.
3. FOX, not that we have any actual contractual details on this, have a deal with Constantin that allows them to use/control the rights and produce movies. Mind you, I'm under the impression Constantin isn't really involved in all that. Frankly I'm not sure if you have to deal with them at all for most things.
Sgt. Kabukiman
Banned
Really?
I loved her brief stint as leader of the FF back in the 90s, when Reed was dead for a little while.
I'd also recommend reading Unstable Molecules, it's an elseworlds but it's incredible.
Yeah, this is a good take.
Synopsis: Retroactively incorporate the existance of the characters by having the space ship launch actually take place back in the 1960's, the ship enters the negative zone where they get the powers, and inter-dimensional time dilation causes them to warp back to present day earth.
Prophaniti
Banned
I really don't care about the fantastic 4. Maybe reference them in current stuff. But please give me Doctor Doom. I fucking love Doctor Doom.
GabeTheGrouch76
Member
Especially so since said massive bomb was the studio's third attempt at making a FF film.
Deadpool has the benefit of being Fox's first attempt (Origins's take on the character notwithstanding), and Logan is a distant cousin to a series that has a handful of well-received films. Fantastic Four? Two mediocre films, an outright terrible film that's nothing like the comic, and a low-budget film that was never even released.
They've spent twenty years on the property and each iteration was arguably worse than the last. Why should anyone give a damn about another FF film from Fox/Constantin? Maybe the fourth time's a charm and it could be good, but nowadays....so hard to hype. They've stained the IP so badly.
George Oscar Bluth II
Banned
They've got so much goodwill that they could make this the opening scene to their F4 movie and it would fly
Oh, he'd definitely be made from some foil Tony invented.
ShadowSwordmaster
Banned
I would like them to try and do a Future Foundations movie. You get Dragon Man and the molooids hanging around.
Shao Kahn Brewing a Stew
Banned
FF villians are far more interesting than the heroes, and it's a shame that Fox has never understood that.
el turns out well, then Feige & co. are really the gods of Hollywood producers.[/QUOTE]
Doing Carol Danvers right and makeing a good Carol Danvers movie are two different things
They've got so much goodwill that they could make this the opening scene to their F4 movie and it would fly
They could get away with the Maker
Doing Carol Danvers right and makeing a good Carol Danvers movie are two different things
What right off the bat? Not Inter-dimensional Council of Reeds?
King Gilga
Member
No because the FF are lamers.
The only good things that came out them are flameguy x Spiderman's friendship, doom and evil Reed Richards.
And even doom is kinda lame.
The only good things that came out them are flameguy x Spiderman's friendship, doom and evil Reed Richards.
And even doom is kinda lame.
Yes, could always do it later.
Doom is not a businessman though, he is a Puttin-like Dictator, a scientific genius (and student of the magical arts) whose megalomania is only equalled by the love of his country and the desire to see it recognized.
I could totally see a Von Doom as an already established eastern European dictator in a country bordering Sakovia, known as Latveria, who would have recently put his hands on Alien tech (thanks to Hydra) and sick to death of the treatment he is receiving by Nato after the Avenger mess.
Doom's people are well taken care of
Interesting...I'll be sure to check that story out. Thank you!
If Doom was ever lame, it was actually a Doombot.
crimzonflame
Member
I agree with you.
I want a CG Silver Surfer movie.
I want a CG Silver Surfer movie.
Slott/Allred Surfer is so good. Don't know why this never turns up on great current comics lists.
True, I meant more on the international scene and the ways he sees himself and his birthright to rule.
He also does not tolerate dissent, this being said.
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Deleted member 10571
Unconfirmed Member
Maker won't work without the related Hickman FF runs, like, not at all. He'd just be a random hyperintelligent villain
dying at the end of the movie
Sho_Nuff82
Member
Relegation is a silly way of looking at it. Television is a better format for telling long form stories. The adaptations of Daredevil and Punisher have been fantastic and haven't lacked for budget.
If marvel ever did get them back, a reboot would never have to worry about Trank's schlocky mess, they'd just throw Stark and Parker in the trailer to tell people "look it's marvel".
