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Even if Marvel gets the rights to Fantastic Four back...
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Uh...
People who don't read comics should probably avoid making really silly comments like this.
Tatsumaki Senpuukyaku!
Member
People who read comics shouldn't be condescending like this
ForkNetwork
Banned
What makes Dr.Doom so special? Legit question, I only know him from Marvel vs Capcom
ColdLasagna
Member
Got damn. Pure. Hawt. Sauce.
What makes Doom special?
That's what makes Doom special. He isn't some cackling madman bent on world destruction. He wants to rule the world because he believes he would rule it best.
And he's right.
SchrodingerC
Member
At least have FOX return the rights for Doom. I'd rather have problematic marvel villain than FOX's majorly minisnterpented Doom going on 3 movies now.
Sho_Nuff82
Member
In the context of the discussion, the person who claimed they radically changed Ant Man for his cinematic appearance was talking out of his ass.
Jest Chillin
Member
Eh.. this is tricky. If you follow the logic and the rules set up in these panels... Cat God doesn't actually say that Doom is correct. It's implied but left ambiguous enough for a twist, if the author or a future author so chooses.
Now I don't know if there's greater overall context but in these panels it is established that the Arch simply detects Lies/Deception within the person themselves. Which means that the person need simply be truthful or pure in their beliefs/goals as opposed to being correct in those things. So it just means that Doom actually believes what he's saying. Not that he's correct in his belief.
But, like I said, I don't have any further context outside of what those panels show specifically.
Bast the god of Wakanda has viewed the future, and the only future for humanity that is peaceful and prosperous is one in which Doom rules.
Tatsumaki Senpuukyaku!
Member
he may be, but it's a bad way to dismiss his argument. The amount it gets thrown around on this forum has increased a bunch too. If he's making a dumb point, then you should be able to counter it with a substantive argument, not just dismissing him by saying he doesn't read comics.
I've had the same thing told to me at least 2 or 3 times on this board and I've been reading comics for my entire life, so just because someone says something that you find disagreeable doesn't mean that person doesn't read comics.
Khaos Kontrol
Banned
The 2005 F4 movie was awesome. Something in that vein would be the right direction for the next F4 movie.
Jest Chillin
Member
He doesn't actually say that. Again, it's heavily implied but not confirmed and the rules set forth in the panels themselves about how the test work don't state that the person getting tested has to be right. Just that they have to be honest and pure in their beliefs and goals.
Edit: Unless there's something else somewhere in the book that you haven't posted that straight up says what you're saying. I haven't read it, so I can't confirm or deny that.
I said he would be Tony's foil, which he heavily is if the current Iron Man run didn't tell you
Like, Doom and Tony are very alike
One just does what they do with magic and tech instead of tech
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Doom may be my favorite villain in comics period
Or is it Reed Richards?
Jest Chillin
Member
Last page I posted.
That's implication. Not confirmation. Context that informs that are the previous panel highlighting Doom really believes it and that his intent is pure.
All Bast is saying in this panel is that he's also seen the future and he also has seen the one path that leads to no evil, hurt, or want. He doesn't actually confirm that Doom's one version is the same as his. And the soul crying out but having to act based on truth part could actually be read from a stance that it's absolutely different but beyond Bast's authority to stop Doom since Doom is being honest in his belief, if one wanted to go that far but it's a bit more of a reach.
It's classic ambiguity but really cleverly done. The author could go either way later on and justify either decision.
Both modern FF movies in attempt to modernise him keeps ruining him, like at least the FF team even if the movies suck try to maintain the spirit both Dooms are pretty much doom in name only
Sweeney Tom
Banned
Film is the only place where a thing can fail multiple times and people will respond to it by saying "keep trying immediately instead of just let it take a breather for a couple years so people actually have time to forget the failures"
"This will definitely work" - nobody ever
"This will definitely work" - nobody ever
My original point was that relaunching F4 isn't nearly the same as Spiderman.
Tatsumaki Senpuukyaku!
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Fox has to make a new one every seven years or they lose the rights so they can't really afford to take a breather longer than that.
NipplesAndToes23
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This discussion is interesting to me. I wish I could read comics.
I thought Reed is Mr. Fantastic. Isn't he a hero? Also, why does everyone not call him by his superhero name?
It's a shame because I thought that Julian McMahon was a good fit for Doom, writing aside.
Colorful and wholesome family friendly fun? Because that's all what Marvel and Disney do.
Tatsumaki Senpuukyaku!
Member
He fought his way out of hell once so it shouldn't be a huge problem
Reed Richards is a massive massive asshole
Like he's such a dick that one of his alternate incarnations is actually a villain that all started because Sue Storm said no to marriage
If there is one change that i would make to the Fantastic 4, movie or comics, is that Sue Richards becomes a tech genius herself in or around the level of Reed and Doom. Someone that could spar with Reed during downtimes because him being a condescending asshole towards his teammates gets old quick.
We pretty much had a council of Reeds with ours being the good one since he actually cares about his family with Council being dicks
And the 616 Reed is STILL a condescending dick himself! Just less so than the rest because he cares just enough for his family
Isn't Valeria kinda that?
NeonZ
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Because in modern stories he's really more famous for his scientific side and role as a visionary (sometimes portrayed with gray morals), rather than as an action hero.
neurosisxeno
Member
Reminder that he basically built a trans-dimensional prison to house anyone who wouldn't follow the Registration Act in Civil War. He's done some questionable/dickish things for sure.
Yeah but she is generally a supporting character to the core members. She is not usually included in encounters with villains and/or fellow super-heroes. As a core member and as his wife, if Sue was a super-genius herself, she could readily and naturally deflate Reed even on tech stuff if he ever steps out of line.
Not to mention, a Valeria who always show-off her genius is always in danger of being a Wesley Crusher.
I prefer the maybe evil or amoral Valeria than wesley
The Last Wizard
Member
I just want a proper doom
Tatsumaki Senpuukyaku!
Member
Yeah, but they have't been able to use Doom, Galactus, Magneto, and all the Spider-Man/X-Men villains (minus vulture)
Jest Chillin
Member
While we're talking about a comic, the discussion itself has little to do with comics themselves. It's more about interpretation of dialogue, tropes, etc... Writing is writing regardless of the format after all. You can find this type of stuff in lots of media. TV, Films, Books, etc..
Evidence #2...
DOOM 2099
Doom is brought to the year 2099, where the world is run by an ACTUAL vile and remorseless tyrant and everybody is suffering and keeping the apocalypse at bay. In this world, Doom is revered as a champion and revolutionary intent on reclaiming his homeland and imposing true order and peace upon a world that's spun into madness. His morals remain the same, his values unchanged, and yet by this contrast he is unquestionably the hero of this story and his eventual success in the 2099 universe brings about a genuine golden age of progress, stability, and peace.
AnotherDayAnotherDollar
Banned
They ain't getting that back. Not unless the mouse pays up, and the mouse doesn't wanna pay unless they get everything from Fox, which Fox doesn't wanna do at this point in time.
Well, at this point, Fox is LOSING money every time they release a Fantastic Four movie. At the rate they're going, the only money they'll be getting out of the property for the foreseeable decade is by making Disney an offer.
AS2 is no where near as shit as that last Fantastic Four film. Not even in the same universe. Shit Gwen stacy alone made AS2 worth it.
Film it. Make mega bank.
My point was the Homecoming exists despite AS2 being a dumpster fire.
How hard can it be?
Those three could easily be phase 4, 5 & 6 lead villains.
hodayathink
Member
For the umpteenth time, Fox doesn't own the rights, so Fox isn't the ones they'd be buying from. At best, they'd have to do with Fox what they did with Paramount after Iron Man 1 where they had to buy back the distribution rights.
Secret Character
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The F4 are probably my favorite marvel team. Some of these posts in here are so sad.
Yes, F4 villains are probably the best part of the package. Doom will forever be the best villain in all of comics, but you have Galactus, Kang, Mole Man, Annihilus, Terrax, and so many others that would work in the MCU in one way or another.
Not to mention that Reed is probably one of the most complicated characters in comics. Everybody needs to read some Hickman F4 to get the character.
Yes, F4 villains are probably the best part of the package. Doom will forever be the best villain in all of comics, but you have Galactus, Kang, Mole Man, Annihilus, Terrax, and so many others that would work in the MCU in one way or another.
Not to mention that Reed is probably one of the most complicated characters in comics. Everybody needs to read some Hickman F4 to get the character.
Doom survives the extermation of the human race by implanting his brain into Wolverine's skeleton
Doom prep time far exceeds Batman.
Doom is the greatest character in comics.
No, I'm not being hyperbolic.