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Apparently Exist Archive.
Exist Archive. It's a RPG by Tri-Ace that was released last year on the PS4/Vita.
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Apparently Exist Archive.
Exist Archive. It's a RPG by Tri-Ace that was released last year on the PS4/Vita.
This animation difference could still be conveyed without the high heels as I noted above.I like the heels. Makes me think of flamenco dancers.
I feel they actually emphasize her sense of balance and poise.
Contrast with 9S who is a lot less graceful and even a little clumsy.
all I know is that this thread and the many of its ilk makes me glad some of you aren't the ones dictating where the industry goes.
holy shit
This animation difference could still be conveyed without the high heels as I noted above.
Particularly around the ankles and calves.
High heels is something that I'll never understand. Do people really find that sexy? Whenever I play a game with a girl in high heels I can only think "man her feets must hurt badly". Honestly they look really bad to me, and that's including in real life too, not just games.
When my point is automatically invalidated because its "heterosexual nonsense" it demonstrates to me that the person I am engaging with is only looking to shame me into agreeing with them, not have a discussion. Obviously sexy female designs have a target audience of heterosexual males. Thats OK, nothing wrong with that. I'm not going to let someone else tell me what is ok to find attractive regardless of what minority group they come from. I'm all for equal representation in games too. You'll never see me complain about something like hot Ryu or Adam and Eve in Nier Automata. I wish there was more representation in games but its certainly not going to stop me from enjoying what I find sexy, and nobody is going to make me feel ashamed for it.
Criticism, things like discussing the quality of different character designs, has nothing to do with "dictating" to creators or the broader publishing industry. All this conversation is in the context of "people sharing their reactions to art." There's no threat, no "knife in-hand" to these words. Bad designs will be called bad. People can, will and should disagree.
If you're frustrated or upset by people doing that, but can't formulate why you feel differently, then griping about the people who want to discuss it is disruptive.
i'm sorry but I will never see calling people names as valid criticism (passive aggressively or not). there are a lot of actual poorly designed designs in here but they are stuck between ones that people know will get people riled up
I think this is a very good design.I'll post this one both in this thread and the other because the concept is so absurd that I still have to make up my mind whether it's brilliant or silly:
What's your actual point though? Help me understand. You don't think showing skin is automatically bad? Great, I suspect we're all in agreement. Showing lots of skin is not *automatically* a bad choice, but it is one aspect of how women are typically objectified or highly sexualized in games. But I agree that, by itself and divorced of context, it is not intrinsically bad.
You want people to acknowledge the existence of a market that enjoys such designs? Done.
You're not going to let people tell you what to find attractive? Putting aside the fact that this is a thread to discuss bad character design, people can't make you find something personally attractive via argument, so it's nothing worth taking a stand over.
Originally Posted by Crossing Eden
You're saying this as if male writers creating story reasons for sexualized outfits for women isn't in and of itself an incredibly common and problematic trope.
I don't see a problem with it. Men are genetically wired to like looking at sexy ladies, nothing problematic or shameful about that.
Bland, boring, generic, grey, uninspired, uncreative, unattractive, non-feminine, terrible.
I stand by my original statement saying there is nothing problematic or shameful about designers pandering to heterosexual male tastes. It would be great if there were more pandering to minorities but its not going to preclude me from enjoying things that are not.
I don't try and tell minorities what they should be able to enjoy and I would appreciate the same respect.
Hence boots, her dancing resembles gymnast movements, (with an extra dose of strip pole dancing) moreso than ballroom dancing.But the heels raise the animations. Ballroom dancing wouldn't be the same in heavy boots, even if boots would be a lot easier to dance in.
You're right i'm speaking as if 2B's design is required to have fetishistic legwear.And this is tangential but Yoshida doesn't have a boot fetish, he has very pronounced and distinctive leg fetish.
Particularly around the ankles and calves.
i'm sorry but I will never see calling people names as valid criticism (passive aggressively or not). there are a lot of actual poorly designed designs in here but they are stuck between ones that people know will get people riled up. Too often people make it abotu more than just not liking a thing. That's great and fine but when it gets to "if you like this then you must be a SJW cuckboy or an ALT right shitlord" is when it moves beyond simple "criticism".
Criticism by the way is not done just for kicks....you criticize something then you must want it to change. Thats how it works..whether or not you have the power to do so is immaterial really. But again, you are more than free to dislike a thing fopr whatever reason, I am not God...i just feel like the often holier than thou attitudes of some (not all) in here gets in the way of any actual discussion. Like lets be real, what actual discussion is going on in these threads beyond the same ole back and forths that honestly lead nowhere?
sprry for the derail as I mainly lurk nowadays but still one would think people would get that approaching this issue this way doesn't do anything as neither side is capable of actually discussing a damn thing.
Hence boots, her dancing resembles gymnast movements, (with an extra dose of strip pole dancing) moreso than ballroom dancing.
You're right i'm speaking as if 2B's design is required to have fetishistic legwear.
Hence boots, her dancing resembles gymnast movements, (with an extra dose of strip pole dancing) moreso than ballroom dancing.
I love 2B's design way more now omgI like the heels. Makes me think of flamenco dancers.
I feel they actually emphasize her sense of balance and poise.
Contrast with 9S who is a lot less graceful and even a little clumsy.
I just want to proudly declare here that I concur with your assessment of Yennefer. I also want to note that my wife looks strikingly similar to her. Basically the spitting image other than her eyes, my wife's are smaller and a bit more sultry. Alright sorry for the bragging lol.Me too, I've always been a fan. I like sexy female characters sometimes, but as a straight woman, my idea of sexy is obviously different to a man's (in many cases anyway), and I find a lot of examples in this thread over the top and tacky. But I don't count 2B among them.
My personal view,
Yennefer is the sexiest character ever made, I have a serious girl crush on her, its a good mix of design and personality. I just love her.
I love 2B's design way more now omg
It's pretty transparently festishitic.It's certainly not required, and I would prefer if she didn't, but her heels have their own appeal.
That's how I design characters since the most popular designs are the ones that make the most sense and I feel that leads to better characterization than just thinking "I like big titties, my audience might like big titties, so big titties, substitute ass for titties.". :| Most artists do the same. Making the designs fit in context.I really don't understand your obsession with practicality. It's just all consuming. I have never seen you approach an aesthetics debate from anything other than the lens of real world logic.
Oh don't be mistaken, they definitely used stripper reference. Specifically with the pole weapons....:Also you know strip pole dancers (not that I agree with characterizing 2B's movement as strip pole dancing) wear heels as part of their costuming right?
Oh don't be mistaken, they definitely used stripper reference. Specifically with the pole weapons....:
I'm not saying it's a good thing, only that it's a thing that undermines the game, what about 2B would make her do this?
I expect a lot of crossover with the "best female character design" thread
It's not. Reference doesn't mean "exact copy" from my experience but obviously, I don't think ballroom dancing is what they hand in mind. But rather gymnastics and strip pole dancing couple with anime stylization.I ain't never seen a stripper do that on a pole before. I think this stripper reference is all in your mind
I think you're imagining an argument in your head that isn't happening here. If someone is outright name-calling, report them. If someone's saying something preposterous, call it out. If you like a design someone else hates, explain why. If you think a design is dumb, bring it up.
Yeah, Kamitani made it pretty clear that he's just a childish dumbass and it all made sense. Because of course, the only way that as a man you can be bothered by sexy female designs is by being gay, also being gay is funny and bad, and thus perfect as an insult.
We really shouldn't boil down every mistake that man makes as an attempt at trolling, especially when it's the culmination of a clear downward spiral of sexism.
Does "pandering to minorities" include "not pandering to heterosexual males with excessively sexualized female characters"? I just want to know what you include in that category. In other words, is less pandering to you automatically more pandering to someone else?
Do you respond similarly to negative movie reviews you disagree with? That is, would you tell the reviewer that they shouldn't tell you what to enjoy? Or would that strike you as absurd?