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Evolution 2017 The Fighting Game Tournament of the Year (Read OP, No Game Whining)

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SMK

Member
Rewatching the ESPN footage and I forgot how close Tokido was from losing to Fchamp. I'm kinda sad that they didn't call out the raging demon fake out.
 
V

Valkerionseven

Member
I'm just so happy Tokido won hes been my favorite for years, and in general all the top 8 matches were great fun to watch. Feel like if Zangief had any new moves or buffs Itazan would have won or gotten second place. He get's lamed out but I love watching him play.

The Grand Finals though... geeze you could see Tokido just like powering up every freaking match in top 8. It just got cleaner, more aggressive, better execution everything. Dude really is a monster just watching those matches really made it obvious he was not going down. By time Punk came around could just feel Tokido was going to beast all over him.

Really inspiring top 8, heck I even considered buying the season 2 pass and capcom cup pack after that...

considered...

din't... haha.

might... thank tokido capcom!
 
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Shadow_Lord

Member
It's so surreal watching the SFV GF and seeing Punk get beaten senseless and 6-1'd, especially by a player he himself put in losers. Just shows how godlike Tokido is, and to be fair Punk was always scared of Tokido, and I think he was the only player that Punk thought can beat him and it just got to his head.
 
G

GeoNeo

I disagree.
Skab said:
Lol what's the story behind this?
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Shinobee the girl is from R/Kappa she was hitting on Spooky but he friendZoned her she was going ham on the stream past few days getting donations some guy named GarryGod donated like over $500 for her rofl acting a fool. Sajam wanted nothing to do with it.

Tomo her and the rest of R/Kappa made real fools of each other looking to get donations for the guys to kiss each other which they did anyway, but the way the went about everything was so silly rofl. After that you had this blow up..

https://clips.twitch.tv/ClumsyGenerousChoughPrimeMe

Parried so hard.

People need to def control how much they drink. :p
 
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SDBurton

World's #1 Cosmonaut Enthusiast
GeoNeo said:
Shinobee the girl is from R/Kappa she was hitting on Spooky but he friendZoned her she was going ham on the stream past few days getting donations some guy named GarryGod donated like over $500 for her rofl acting a fool. Sajam wanted nothing to do with it.

Tomo her and the rest of R/Kappa made real fools of each other looking to get donations for the guys to kiss each other which they did anyway, but the way the went about everything was so silly rofl. After that you had this blow up..

https://clips.twitch.tv/ClumsyGenerousChoughPrimeMe

Parried so hard.

People need to def control how much they drink. :p
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Good grief. lol
 
M

MikeBreezy92

Member
BlackBanditSho said:
You're probably right.

EDIT - Is it just me or is anyone else still hyped from EVO? I feel like there's no good podcast with great production that goes in on the analysis and recap of the events like you would in traditional sports. I just want to engage in the conversation about EVO, specifically SF. I don't want to hear a bunch of complaining about Abigail. I just want to listen to educated people who love SF go in on what that tournament was for 2 hours like a Giant Bombcast episode. I want to hear about the players and not as much about the meta and the character flaws. I want to hear about the analysis of the commentary and the format and the standout moments. Where is THAT deep dive?
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Umm Ultrachen does that every week
 
K

Kadey

Mrs. Harvey
Anime Suite was entertaining at first but went cringy real fast.

Good to see everybody including Tokido showing Punk support. For his first EVO he did more than most could in their lifetime.
 
B

BlackBanditSho

Member
Ninjimbo said:
Stream of consciousness...

I haven't commented yet because I'm still in a buzz from last night's result. I never thought I would see Punk drop 6 games in a set especially against an Akuma. I know Punk lost to SnakeEyez's Gief and Akuma, but that's cuz he was coming from losers and it wasn't his Karin that got beaten by Snake's Akuma. It was Nash.

That said, it didn't dawn on me on what this match was about until Tokido said that Mago was instrumental for his success here. Tokido plays Mago all the time, and Mago is like the 2nd Best Karin in the world. Of course he had matchup knowledge, and Akuma has distinct advantages over Karin. Tokido beyond just being a genius at fighting games, he has a community of masters to play and learn against. When he had to face FChamp at ELEAGUE, he trained with Mochi. When he had to face Du, he trained with Daigo. When he had to face Punk, he trained with Mago. Tokido put an insane amount of work and time into these matchups while also building up the best Akuma we've seen yet in SFV. Tokido cribbed some tech from Sako no doubt, but Tokido is doing stuff with the character that we just haven't seen anybody do: his pressure, his mixups, his approaches, his parries, his use of V-Meter, it's all been astutely developed over the course of seven months. I follow him on CFN and have watched his fights, and it's a night and day difference from where he started.

So a great Akuma, coupled with a quality community is the answer for how Punk got taken down, oh, and the fact that Punk was nervous? The last one, that's a funny thing to say if you ask me. Punk just won ELEAGUE and he had steamrolled his way to the GF. If Punk was nervous, he certainly didn't show it at any point during Top 8. But, I'm getting ahead of myself, nerves played a role in his defeat. However, I'd like to know the reason why seeing as how we had no prior sign to indicate that Punk was battling nerves. He looked like a player in full control.

As I saw the match unfold, I definitely started to pick up on what Tokido was doing. Now I don't fully understand what his game plan was, but Tokido was very aware of Punk's patterns and tendencies. He was baiting out the buttons and punishing accordingly. He would stop strings with jabs and went all in towards an aerial assault exploiting Karin's lack of reliable anti-air. More often than not he would trade hits and that was fine, because Tokido believes that an SFV match doesn't start until the V Trigger is activated. So you saw a tactical plan unfold and Punk, for the first time ever, I noticed that he didn't know how to respond. At one point in the match in the second set, Punk sits back at the corner not pressing a button, just blocking and it last for a second but it's a certified moment. It's a staredown. Why? Because a player of Punk's caliber is aware of all the options available to Akuma and Tokido had used them all flawlessly. Punk, in essence, had no idea which way Tokido wanted to go so he blocked. Block. Block. Block. It's what we all do when we don't have a read on someone and we know they have a read on us.

Punk had been downloaded. JWong told the story later on Twitter of Tokido blanking him in a casual FT10 set. Punk knew Tokido had a read on him, but what Punk didn't realize is that he had no read on Tokido. When he got a glimpse of the shiny new tech Tokido had developed, he had no answer. So he crumbled.

I don't believe Punk would have lost to Itazan or Kazunoko or even Du. It was only Tokido that had the keys to unlock Punk's Karin. To say this was about experience or composure is, I think, to reduce the kind of battle that is being played at this level. Tokido said himself in the post game interview, pressing buttons doesn't work. It isn't until you learn how to control a match and manipulate a player that you really start improving. SFV, probably more than any other SF, is all about how well you know your opponent. I bet Punk had no idea Tokido would be waking up with Ex-Demon Flips at that rate he was doing it and that kind of stuff kept piling on and on in his head. So much went in that it overwhelmed.

Wonderful stuff. SFV is one hell of a game at the highest levels. I wish the game didn't have the reputation it did because at the end of it all, SFV is a really solid fighting game. I've been thinking about this shit the whole day.

Sorry for the rambling, but man, what an awesome Top 8 and Tokido is a living legend that can stand next to Daigod.

Can't wait to see how the rest of this year unfolds. The person that fought Tokido the hardest at EVO was Haitani. Keep that in mind.
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What an amazing post. I think your read is 100% correct. Thanks for this!
 
G

Gorillaz

Member
Honestly all the top 8s to GF were great. Seeing 2 bracket resets back to back with smash into sfv was some Hollywood shit.

Zero literally erasing himself after that lost is still killing me. Will be interesting if sakurai does anything to bayonetta after that or if he is happy enough the demonic diddy from chile didn't take it again lol
 
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Renekton

Member
Ninjimbo said:
Tokido said himself in the post game interview, pressing buttons doesn't work. It isn't until you learn how to control a match and manipulate a player that you really start improving. SFV, probably more than any other SF, is all about how well you know your opponent.
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Sadly the prevailing narrative about SFV is the "50/50".
 
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ec0ec0

Member
Ninjimbo said:
Stream of consciousness...

I haven't commented yet because I'm still in a buzz from last night's result. I never thought I would see Punk drop 6 games in a set especially against an Akuma. I know Punk lost to SnakeEyez's Gief and Akuma, but that's cuz he was coming from losers and it wasn't his Karin that got beaten by Snake's Akuma. It was Nash.

That said, it didn't dawn on me on what this match was about until Tokido said that Mago was instrumental for his success here. Tokido plays Mago all the time, and Mago is like the 2nd Best Karin in the world. Of course he had matchup knowledge, and Akuma has distinct advantages over Karin. Tokido beyond just being a genius at fighting games, he has a community of masters to play and learn against. When he had to face FChamp at ELEAGUE, he trained with Mochi. When he had to face Du, he trained with Daigo. When he had to face Punk, he trained with Mago. Tokido put an insane amount of work and time into these matchups while also building up the best Akuma we've seen yet in SFV. Tokido cribbed some tech from Sako no doubt, but Tokido is doing stuff with the character that we just haven't seen anybody do: his pressure, his mixups, his approaches, his parries, his use of V-Meter, it's all been astutely developed over the course of seven months. I follow him on CFN and have watched his fights, and it's a night and day difference from where he started.

So a great Akuma, coupled with a quality community is the answer for how Punk got taken down, oh, and the fact that Punk was nervous? The last one, that's a funny thing to say if you ask me. Punk just won ELEAGUE and he had steamrolled his way to the GF. If Punk was nervous, he certainly didn't show it at any point during Top 8. But, I'm getting ahead of myself, nerves played a role in his defeat. However, I'd like to know the reason why seeing as how we had no prior sign to indicate that Punk was battling nerves. He looked like a player in full control.

As I saw the match unfold, I definitely started to pick up on what Tokido was doing. Now I don't fully understand what his game plan was, but Tokido was very aware of Punk's patterns and tendencies. He was baiting out the buttons and punishing accordingly. He would stop strings with jabs and went all in towards an aerial assault exploiting Karin's lack of reliable anti-air. More often than not he would trade hits and that was fine, because Tokido believes that an SFV match doesn't start until the V Trigger is activated. So you saw a tactical plan unfold and Punk, for the first time ever, I noticed that he didn't know how to respond. At one point in the match in the second set, Punk sits back at the corner not pressing a button, just blocking and it last for a second but it's a certified moment. It's a staredown. Why? Because a player of Punk's caliber is aware of all the options available to Akuma and Tokido had used them all flawlessly. Punk, in essence, had no idea which way Tokido wanted to go so he blocked. Block. Block. Block. It's what we all do when we don't have a read on someone and we know they have a read on us.

Punk had been downloaded. JWong told the story later on Twitter of Tokido blanking him in a casual FT10 set. Punk knew Tokido had a read on him, but what Punk didn't realize is that he had no read on Tokido. When he got a glimpse of the shiny new tech Tokido had developed, he had no answer. So he crumbled.

I don't believe Punk would have lost to Itazan or Kazunoko or even Du. It was only Tokido that had the keys to unlock Punk's Karin. To say this was about experience or composure is, I think, to reduce the kind of battle that is being played at this level. Tokido said himself in the post game interview, pressing buttons doesn't work. It isn't until you learn how to control a match and manipulate a player that you really start improving. SFV, probably more than any other SF, is all about how well you know your opponent. I bet Punk had no idea Tokido would be waking up with Ex-Demon Flips at that rate he was doing it and that kind of stuff kept piling on and on in his head. So much went in that it overwhelmed.

Wonderful stuff. SFV is one hell of a game at the highest levels. I wish the game didn't have the reputation it did because at the end of it all, SFV is a really solid fighting game. I've been thinking about this shit the whole day.

Sorry for the rambling, but man, what an awesome Top 8 and Tokido is a living legend that can stand next to Daigod.

Can't wait to see how the rest of this year unfolds. The person that fought Tokido the hardest at EVO was Haitani. Keep that in mind.
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great comment.

special mention to this:

Ninjimbo said:
Tokido beyond just being a genius at fighting games, he has a community of masters to play and learn against. When he had to face FChamp at ELEAGUE, he trained with Mochi. When he had to face Du, he trained with Daigo. When he had to face Punk, he trained with Mago.
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trixx

Member
Idk much about akuma and have no idea what tokido was doing, but I was wondering how good are the demon flips. I remember tokido mentioning it in an interview with bornfree. In the match seemed like one of the tools that was hard for punk to stop.

Also Ive never seen air fireballs confirming so often in the mix up situation
 
R

roflwaffles

Member
GeoNeo said:
These clips people made of Anime suite were funny as fuck. FGC + Drinks = ☠️

Jiyuna on why Seth Killian cries
https://clips.twitch.tv/InventiveEsteemedCocoaKappaClaus

Sajam runs
https://clips.twitch.tv/GleamingWimpyHorseFloof

Richard Lewis
https://clips.twitch.tv/HealthyKathishArtichokeEleGiggle

RIP NoPants
https://clips.twitch.tv/GiantAverageCucumberUWot

Char saving NoPants
https://clips.twitch.tv/BrainyTawdryMooseFunRun

Welcome to Sp00ky's FriendZone
https://clips.twitch.tv/TalentedYawningAlpacaANELE
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Lmao.



....whos that other Asian girl though
 
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mbpm1

Member
Ninjimbo said:
Tokido beyond just being a genius at fighting games, he has a community of masters to play and learn against. When he had to face FChamp at ELEAGUE, he trained with Mochi. When he had to face Du, he trained with Daigo. When he had to face Punk, he trained with Mago. Tokido put an insane amount of work and time into these matchups while also building up the best Akuma we've seen yet in SFV. Tokido cribbed some tech from Sako no doubt, but Tokido is doing stuff with the character that we just haven't seen anybody do: his pressure, his mixups, his approaches, his parries, his use of V-Meter, it's all been astutely developed over the course of seven months.
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It's really quite awesome how united the JP community and how strong they can help each other. A similar thing happened when Daigo had to fight Infiltration in the Ft10 exhibition match in SF4: AE 2012. At this point Daigo had pretty much never really beaten Infitration convincingly. People were pretty sure Infilration would do it even though Daigo had just demonstrated his strength by downloading Xian and destroying him 10-0 with prep time.

Instead, Daigo defeated him with great ease at 10-2. Even with all the vortex of SF4 pre-Ultra. Even with weaker Ryu and Stronger Akuma. Because he asked for help from the strongest Akumas in Japan, and they helped him destroy Infiltration
 
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Kadey

Mrs. Harvey
Aris and stream chat is so going to go in on no pants.

A lot of us already thought Tokido is the greatest fighting game player of all time prior to this win. This just helps the case even more. He's been here forever, he's won multiple titles, he's one of the very few to play many games at the highest level. You know before EVO, it was said he actually stopped practicing every other game to focus on SFV. It paid off.
 
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Astral

Member
GeoNeo said:
These clips people made of Anime suite were funny as fuck. FGC + Drinks = ☠️

Jiyuna on why Seth Killian cries
https://clips.twitch.tv/InventiveEsteemedCocoaKappaClaus

Sajam runs
https://clips.twitch.tv/GleamingWimpyHorseFloof

Richard Lewis
https://clips.twitch.tv/HealthyKathishArtichokeEleGiggle

RIP NoPants
https://clips.twitch.tv/GiantAverageCucumberUWot

Char saving NoPants
https://clips.twitch.tv/BrainyTawdryMooseFunRun

Welcome to Sp00ky's FriendZone
https://clips.twitch.tv/TalentedYawningAlpacaANELE
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Hiiiiiiiiii
 
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Valkerionseven

Member
Syntsui said:
A lot of people from the FGC should learn something from Sajam, dude knows not to get himself involved with suspect shit.
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Yeah, as funny and nonsense a lot of the off hours streams are... some of this stuff needs to not be on camera and recorded for the whole world to see. Incoming Kotaku articles and what not lol. It definitely happens at other events in the gaming world, E3 this year makes these things look like nothing, but still we know what people will say.
 
G

GeoNeo

I disagree.
Kadey said:
Sp00ky must know something.
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He said later on he's 37 he prefers mature women. He knows the deal. 😄

A lot of people from the FGC should learn something from Sajam, dude knows not to get himself involved with suspect shit.
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Yeah he did well to get out of that mess.

Watching the Marvel suite was like night and day the dudes were enjoying themselves playing games and acting mature. People were still drinking but you did not have a shit show like what happened later on in Anime suite.
 
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Lulubop

Member
GeoNeo said:
He said later on he's 37 he prefers mature women. He knows the deal. 😄



Yeah he did well to get out of that mess.

Watching the Marvel suite was like night and day the dudes were enjoying themselves playing games and acting mature. People were still drinking but you did not have a shit show like what happened later on in Anime suite.
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was the anime suite pretty much the r/kappa suite?

A lot of cringe going on in these clips.
 
T

Tripon

Member
Jiyuna pays every year for the anime suite. He's not related to /r/kappa outside of reading the site and sometimes posting there.
 
K

Kadey

Mrs. Harvey
So Art will continue to call him desert dick.

The suite was good until the whole donate to do this, that. It was just stupid at that point. I miss the old suites where it was entertaining and informative.

Zhi's stream was pretty funny. But it didn't last long.
 
G

GeoNeo

I disagree.
One anime guy challenged Hamad to rock paper scissors for $20. Anime guy won and started fucking popping off calling him a bitch and shit like being loud as fuck. Hamad got mad and said why the fuck you yelling? That guy is lucky it was not someone that was drunk because the chances of a fight starting would have been real..🤔

Edit: Kadey, I can't wait to see NoPants get shit from chat and Aris haha. He'll be fine though.
 
B

BNGames

Member
SargerusBR said:
lqvEMsH.jpg

Too soon?
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Been seeing this everywhere, fucking savage. I approve.
 
A

Astral

Member
Tokido thanking all his friends who helped him train reminds me how much I hate not having friends irl who are into fighting games. Playing them all day would be the best.
 
F

Forward

Member
mbpm1 said:
That factor doesn't mitigate the 50/50s, if the narrative were true. Forcing someone to guess left instead of right doesn't mean you're not still guessing left or right.
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The new narrative is reads/misreads. It's nicer than 50/50, I guess. :/ Did he go for the Japanese read, or the American read? HYPE.
 
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Seyavesh

Member
GeoNeo said:
Watching the Marvel suite was like night and day the dudes were enjoying themselves playing games and acting mature. People were still drinking but you did not have a shit show like what happened later on in Anime suite.
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i'm pretty sure the only reason it was like that was because they got a noise complaint and kept shushing people or risk being kicked out lmao
 
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