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Developers hear me out! Playing in English doesn't mean refusing the Metric system!

Tajaz2426

Psychology PhD from Wikipedia University
Of course changing standards are hard. That's part of where pride comes in though. I'm not suggesting people who individually use the imperial system are selfish or anything, but it is more of a collective thing. Tradition sticks, and no one likes to admit that they have to change anything because their standard failed to be accepted anywhere else in the long run. The reason America can keep this going despite the rest of the world is because America is a huge country with a lot of sway. If the only country using the imperial standard were a much smaller country, they would have been pressured to adapt ages ago. That's basically how I see it.


I’d guess part of my argument I wanted to expand of with the dynamics is more infrastructure of a country. Our highways, architecture (carpentry), etc.

A new generation learning metric and building with imperial can present all sorts of issues especially when building certain projects.

While I don’t think it is pride, others may see it that way. It would be the same if your country or any other that uses metric to change to imperial. It is a process that could cause issues with very small things, but lead to bigger problems. People not knowing imperial, only metric, but the company only uses imperial, so they aren’t hired. So on and so forth. It being 0530 I find it hard to put all my thoughts in coherent sentences,sorry.

I should have expanded my scope on that part of my argument, but I didn’t. I expanded on another form of communication, while only putting together a few sentences on the other points of my argument.

Again, thanks for the debate, it broadened my way of thinking.
 

Peroroncino

Member
co-signed

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Greddleok

Member
YY/MM/DD format isn't good. Most of the time when I'm writing a date I omit the year anyway because the stuff I'm labelling won't be there for year.

It would just add confusion. DD/MM/YY is easier IMO.
 

bomma_man

Member
fucking hell MMDDYYYY is the stupidest shit

what are you thinking

and don't give me the "it's how we say it" shit, last time I checked Independence Day was the 4th of July not July 4th.
 
YY/MM/DD format isn't good. Most of the time when I'm writing a date I omit the year anyway because the stuff I'm labelling won't be there for year.

It would just add confusion. DD/MM/YY is easier IMO.

My problem is that it's easy to confuse DD/MM and MM/DD.

YY is often easy to tell apart, and if everyone began with YY, then you can assume MM/DD comes next. No one writes YY/DD/MM except maybe Kazakhstan.
 

Nosgoroth

Member
Hear, hear.

This is why I couldn't keep using Wii Fit.

Also datetime format conciliation sucks. DD/MM/YYYY and YYYY/MM/DD are self-evident and superior to other weird combinations, but formats with only day and month are confusing, so I've taken to writing those as 24/Jul.
 

kpaadet

Member
Maybe we should just rename the metric system to the freedom system. Problem solved.
Yes, and rename the Imperial system to the French system while you're at it. Come on US I assume even your military and NASA use it, why can't the rest of you?
 
I don't know why Americans are so proud of imperial units, it clear that metric is better and more accurate, even their scientists and soldiers uses metric instead of imperial.
Most of the ammunition their soldiers use are in metric too, such as 9mm, 5.56x45mm and 7.62x51mm.

It's so weird to see imperial units in games as only a small portion of people on earth use that system.

fucking hell MMDDYYYY is the stupidest shit

How about YYYY/MM/DD? We use it in Asia and it works flawlessly. There is zero confusion and controversy
 
Played japanese chapter 1 demo of FF15 for way more hours than I probably should. Going into the game full, in english, it took me so long to get used to imperial, after internalizing distances in that world to metric.
 

EvB

Member
We are almost as bad in the UK, we still use miles.
Then when we fill up we purchase in litres

But we measure car efficiency in miles per gallon...

Yet our school have been teaching solely metric for 30 years
 

Unai

Member
Not saying i disagree, but might be useful to say how the lack of use of metric system makes your experience worse.

I was playing Baldur's Gate the other day and one spell description said it would affect everyone in 36 feet. I had no idea if that would affect the whole map os just people who very close until I looked up how long is a foot.
 

Skronk

Banned
I was playing Baldur's Gate the other day and one spell description said it would affect everyone in 36 feet. I had no idea if that would affect the whole map os just people who very close until I looked up how long is a foot.

But since you've looked it up your "problem" is solved forever.
 

bomma_man

Member
I don't know why Americans are so proud of imperial units, it clear that metric is better and more accurate, even their scientists and soldiers uses metric instead of imperial.
Most of the ammunition their soldiers use are in metric too, such as 9mm, 5.56x45mm and 7.62x51mm.

It's so weird to see imperial units in games as only a small portion of people on earth use that system.



How about YYYY/MM/DD? We use it in Asia and it works flawlessly. There is zero confusion and controversy

YYYYMMDD is great for filing and DDMMYYYY is better for day to day use, but either is fine. MMDDYYYY is good for
 

ggx2ac

Member
I was playing Baldur's Gate the other day and one spell description said it would affect everyone in 36 feet. I had no idea if that would affect the whole map os just people who very close until I looked up how long is a foot.

That was the same for me with WoW.

Frostbolt shoots 30 yards long, how long is 30 yards?
 
It's pretty irritating but I can deal with it when yards are used as a measure for distance since it isn't too far off a meter. Why is the game telling me I need to go eleventy billion feet away to my next destination? Whose idea is it to use freaking feet to measure long distances?
 

Doc_Drop

Member
Cause we dont instinctively know what a mile, feet, Fahrenheit is.
I think it's difficult to put yourself in the position of someone not intrinsically knowing Imperial measurements from the perspective of someone who is used to both

Metric is clearly better, but sport has taught me Imperial, as well as driving in the UK.
 

Ahasverus

Member
Basically, yeah. We're in MERICA! To quote a line from Fury, "You wanna talk Mexican, join a Mexican tank."

I understand what you're saying and I'm fine with that. My concern is that some developer will eventually just leave out the US option and that would catch on. Maybe it'll be patched in later, maybe it won't. I wouldn't want that. Just let me keep mine. You know what you can do with yours.

Nah cause what's going to happen is they'll eventually either do one or the other and I'd rather keep my feet, miles and inches than be bothered with a system I have never previously had a reason to touch.
The most asinine, ridiculous, ignorant, condescending, borderline racist, rude and overall stupid posts I have EVER read on this forum, and that says a lot.

I agree with Alex, the imperial system is a bunch of nonsense only two countries in the whole world use for some idiotic conservative "I'm special" reasons, and if developers want to reach a global audience, they should at the least serve their public at the most basic level, and that includes the use of commonly, internationally accepted used measurements.
 

Amneisac

Member
The most asinine, ridiculous, ignorant, condescending, borderline racist, rude and overall stupid posts I have EVER read on this forum, and that says a lot.

I agree with Alex, the imperial system is a bunch of nonsense only two countries in the whole world use for some idiotic conservative "I'm special" reasons, and if developers want to reach a global audience, they should at the least serve their public at the most basic level, and that includes the use of commonly, internationally accepted used measurements.

So you have been skipping the posts where Americans are referred to as rednecks and retards for using a different system of weights and measures?
 

Amneisac

Member
I'd like to keep imperial out of spite at this point in the US purely because of how mad it makes people.

Yeah, I mean I'm fine with switching, but I find it funny that people are acting like it matters what temperature water boils on your scale when you just want to know if you need to wear long sleeves or not.
 
American government made a push to switch to metric a couple decades ago but the construction industry heavily opposed the idea. They argued the cost to convert equipment and standard material sizes to the metric system would be too costly.

You can actually see signs in Tennessee with distances measured in kilometers along some highways and interstates.
 

Ahasverus

Member
So you have been skipping the posts where Americans are referred to as rednecks and retards for using a different system of weights and measures?
I'd assume that was a highly hyperbolic and inappropriate way of telling Americans are stubborn as fuck for not switching to the global standard and that message is right.

That other post is just some low key racist shit coupled with ignorance and overall dickness.
 

Dehnus

Member
I'd be fairly certain that most engineers and scientists in the US use the Metric system. It would be borderline impossible not to. It's everyone else that's the issue.

I know, I'm just joking around with those that don't understand the metric system or think it is "not logical". One could argue about the base units, true, but the scale relation to each other (linear and in factors of tens) is very logical.
 

Dehnus

Member
I don't know why Americans are so proud of imperial units, it clear that metric is better and more accurate, even their scientists and soldiers uses metric instead of imperial.
Most of the ammunition their soldiers use are in metric too, such as 9mm, 5.56x45mm and 7.62x51mm.

It's so weird to see imperial units in games as only a small portion of people on earth use that system.



How about YYYY/MM/DD? We use it in Asia and it works flawlessly. There is zero confusion and controversy

As long as it's smallest to biggest or biggest to smallest.

Anything else like big small biggest is just.. RAAGEMAAGE! for me. It's not logical, it offends my sense of aesthetics and is an insult to logic!

So much even that if Vulcans would be real, and we'd achieve first contact? They'd exterminate us for this insult to logic!
 

Wonko_C

Member
Some of you would probably go insane dealing with Krimelyes in Ys or Yalms in FFXIV, LOL.

Seriously thought, it looks like Nintendo is the main culprit here? Every single racing game I've played from any developer since the late 90's until today has a toggle for Imperial/Metric, and I've played a lot of racing games.
 
Oh people can be so cute sometimes raging over the "superiority" of the metric or European date system. Especially when they think the entire non-US world uses them exclusively. Not quite as funny as people who think soccer is either the only sport played outside of the US or the most popular sport in every country except the US, but close.

Anyhow, I agree it should be an option. It annoys me when I have to play games that only have metric.
 
Forza is a different kind of annoying with this, as they insist that if you use the metric system, you use kilowatt to measure the power of cars.
Which while a sensible assumption, is not actually the case in many (most?) countries.

Has no one told them about this over the past decade? Or why is this still a thing?
 
Dates are another problem. If I said 07/03/2017, US GAF would go for July 3rd, South America/Europe GAF would say Mar 7th. That's why globalization is a failure
( I'm obviously kidding).
 
Or you losers in yank land could learn the same thing 98% of the other world uses.
the fun part about this entire argument is that Americans do understand metric. We understand both. Its not hard.
Imagine you are playing a game and it says the weight of an axe is 579 Bloofels and the next village is 314 Goomblits away and the temperature is 475 Ooblits.
FFXI had its own system of measurements. Yalms and Malms. We figured it out as players.
 

Kyry

Member
Why not use the imperial system like its part of the world building? Im sure few people use Gill or Rupees or Mana Points or other arbitrary video game values in every day life either.
 
As much as I love America-bashing most American-developed games tend to have toggle options for both systems. It's mostly Japanese-developed games that seem to have this issue.
 

pelican

Member
Depends in the UK we use a mixture of Imperial and Metric.

Certainly for any racing game I have no interest in using metric. Miles please.
 

Aeana

Member
The units could be made up and the game would be exactly the same. There's no correspondence to real world units, nor are you ever called upon to come up with one.

In fact, using fake units seems to be the way to go to keep people from complaining. Lots of other games do it.
 

rpmurphy

Member
I'd rather play my video games where time passes completely differently in every game, the scale of enviromental objects make no sense, and currency and costs to buy items is completely arbitrary.
#classicgaming #nostalgia #only90skidswillgetthis
 

emb

Member
Even better: use the metric system forever because the imperial system is hot garbage and should be abandoned in every way as soon as is possible. Video games can lead the charge!
Yes! Anyone that has the opportunity to make anything using any sort of measurement should be using the metric system. If you're making something that will be consumed in America, then you're able to play a small but important part in fixing one of our country's simplest problems.

For the purposes of the actual game, I tend not to care much. The game tends to give me context for its numbers on its own (eg, in Zelda, I don't really care whether it's 30 C or 75 F, I care if the temperature gauge gets to the orange part and Link starts sweating).
 
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