FinaruDensetsu
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I think he was being sarcastic...
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Microsoft gaming revenue increased three percent year-on-year to hit $1.6bn for FY17
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I think he was being sarcastic...
Why wouldn't it? Microsoft had a lengthy stage presentation of earning Xbox Live achievements on iPad at their Xbox E3 briefing last year. Why would that activity not be included in MAUs? It is/was required only for Realms, so that would somewhat explain why the growth was small.
lol. Comparing a product that's supposed to be a part of a current device family vs. a new product..
There is a market for it, Sony already gave folks something for that market. Ppl should expect similar sales for the One X.
It's definitely one of the worse.
gundamkyoukai
Member
I think Sony give you how much profit they make so no need .
Revenue is just one part of the pie but we not going to get any more info from MS so comparing rather useless.
I think there's a difference between having an Xbox live login required to play the game on Xbox servers and having actual Xbox live installed on the device. You aren't installing Xbox live on a phone or a switch when you want to play Minecraft. You aren't seeing the ads or purchasing gold memberships. You could say that MAU for Minecraft are different from MAU for Xbox live.
Plus I don't think they've come out and said they were changing what they considered to be MAU. Previously it was xb1/360, W10 and windows phone(which is dead).
Finally let's just say their are ~30 million Xbox ones out there, 80 million 360's( of course that doesn't mean people are still playing) Minecraft has sold over 122 million copies, W10 has large usership(peoplenbasicaly logging on). MAU number usually hovers around that 50+ million range. Including Minecraft numbers doesn't really make sense from a numbers perspective
These posts are well done trolling for comedy value:
This post is simply delusional:
It's a subtle difference.
This post is simply delusional:
It's a subtle difference.
Not to derail this thread, but have you seen the way MS fans talk about Matt in MS's pre E3 thread? It's embarrassing.
Uno Venova
Banned
You really dont think it was obvious you were trying for some gotcha moment with the way you were responding to Matts posts in this thread.
Dammit. I usually can tell, kinda..lol
Chobel
Member
I seriously doubt MS care about that distinction, most (if not all) companies stretch the definition "active" to include even the simplest forms of interactions with the platform, plus Minecraft has in-game store to buy skins and other stuff.
And why would they change the definition of MAU? There's nothing suggesting it was exclusive to Windows/Xbox to begin with.
Now this is very good point, as Minecraft MAU alone is 55M. Though I could argue that 360 MAU is pretty much dead (or at best a couple of millions) and that huge part of Minecraft online population isn't using Xbox live version.
Jaguar Victory
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GHG
Member
I can't wait to see what Phil Spencer has to say about this when he inevitably gets this video brought to his attention on Twitter.
FinaruDensetsu
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momshotdad
Member
I have this feeling that they took it very personally when XB1 became known as the lesser console so they wanted to double down on the system itself and make it the most badass console they possibly could. This way they could lay the ground floor on a much better piece of hardware and build the future first party software on top of it. I'm not "scared" of what's going to happen to Xbox's exclusives and I still think that Phil is the right guy in charge. I'm just curious to see what they announce after the X comes out. That's when things will start to get super interesting.
Shouldn't things be super interesting *when* X comes out and not after? MS had E3 and didn't show much. If you're already an Xbox fan that's fine but there wasn't anything shown that will attract new users to X1X
Humdinger
Member
Man, they bag on your name, Matt. And imply that you might be a woman, or Don Mattrick.
It's not right!
wapplew
Member
It will attract new users who want most powerful hardware, new users who want best service, old 360 users who jumped ship because of weak hardware, old 360 users who want to play old games with better graphic etc etc.
80m potential 360 users to rejoin Xbox one family ecosystem.
Bioshocker
Member
Microsoft's Xbox division is living on what it gets from services and games, not hardware. A bit sad to see Xbox One sales going down, though, considering how Spencer has tried to steer the ship right since the awful reveal and launch.
I bought mine two years ago and am still playing most of the third party games on it thanks to the superior controller. It lacks in the exclusive department, but everyone knows that and Microsoft doesn't seem to focus on exclusive content anymore.
I bought mine two years ago and am still playing most of the third party games on it thanks to the superior controller. It lacks in the exclusive department, but everyone knows that and Microsoft doesn't seem to focus on exclusive content anymore.
momshotdad
Member
I think having the most powerful console, 360 & OG Xbox backwards compatibility, the only console with a 4K disc drive, along with the known exclusives will push a number of people over the edge. Now that 4K Tvs are getting cheaper, more people are buying them and they would want media to support it. If I look objectively at XB1X and PS4 Pro, the Xbox is absolutely the more capible machine for all 4K media and the one I would buy with a new 4K screen.
That also doesn't include the known, but not seen, future exclusives like Halo 6, Gears 5, Horizon 4, Rare's IP, etc that we all know are coming.
MilkyJoe
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It's just the old "there's nothing I want to play, so no one wants one" rhetoric.
MS cerrainly don't seem to be investing in exclusives like they used to. That's bound to make Xbonx a more unattractive proposition.
Maximus P
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Well, your post is certainly a contender.
MilkyJoe
Member
A case in point.
Sorry but how does 'Matt' know about MS exclusive slate when he isn't a 1st (or 2nd for that matter) dev? I'll trust him in hardware (to an extent), but not on software exclusives.
Jeff Freecss
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"How to spin a good news for Microsoft into a negative news" the thread.
Elvin Atombender
Member
Is a 3% increase in gaming revenue good or bad?
I know people who buy consoles later in a generation are less likely to buy a lot of games but they probably have 20-30% more Xbox Ones on the market?
I know people who buy consoles later in a generation are less likely to buy a lot of games but they probably have 20-30% more Xbox Ones on the market?
Usual lot, you get a sense for them after a while. Easy to ignore. Will be fun during 1X launch though, postive buzz for the console, do look forward to that.
Maximilian Kolbe
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Actually, every One X includes one month Xbox game pass, that is something for new users.
TheThreadsThatBindUs
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Really?!? That's the post you want to try to defend?
Depends on how much they had to spend to get that revenue increase. In general, it's a good thing though.
Yeah, how dare people talk about obvious not so good points of a financial report. We have to celebrate no matter what.
Revenue increased? Hallelujah! Only a 3 percent increase while console base increased 20+%? Who cares.
Software slightly up? Hallelujah! Hardware way down due to less Xbox One consoles sold in a whole quarter than PS4 just sold in one month? Who cares.
Let's also ignore that a profit number is nowhere to be seen.
wapplew
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Bits N Pieces
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At least we have you to bring us back to reality, great insight by yourself there too. Great stuff.
Dirtyshubb
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While that is of course important for Microsoft I'm sure they are very aware of the negative points brought up here and are also concerned about them too.
Just because you're making money now doesn't mean you're business is healthy long term or that there aren't worrying signs that things could get worse down the road.
It's possible to look into a situation and find both positive and negative aspects. The key is to look at the negatives and try to mitigate those issues, not only look at the positives and pat each other on the back.
we all know profit number wouldn't change your or some other peoples here opinion, so I'm not sure why you say that like it would change anything other than a few points in your story but the ending remains the same
massive profit? MS isn't investing in first party games that's why the profit is so high, they are spending so little and giving up on xbox
small profit? Xbox is doomed, why would MS even keep the xbox division running if it's only making that much? doesn't seem worthwhile
taking a loss? just close up the xbox division MS
Dude, it's a company. Xbox is not your friend. Defending a company like this is ridiculous. Xbox as a business has seen better days, Sony beats them handily. Hardware revenue is down due to the Xbox S not selling despite approaching discounter prices. That's not good. What is good is the digital revenue being up. Meaning the people who do buy an Xbox One are more inclined to spend money on digital games and revenue. That's a huge advantage, as it strengthens brand loyalty and the ecosystem itself.
Doesn't mean people can't point out this isn't that great overall.
Relax man, we know Sony's gaming division is likely making more money and selling more consoles than Xbox. I don't know why you're so up in a tizzy. The world isn't gonna end tomorrow, Sony is still the leader don't get your knickers in a twist
I'm also not sure who you're talking to with your "defending a company like this" comment because I literally never defended MS at all, infact, I haven't even said anything specifically relating to the topic at hand let alone "defend" them over something. Unless you think calling out fanboys who shitpost in every xbox thread no matter what it's about is defending MS?
Also to the bolded, yeah, that's what happens. You discount a price, you do typically make less revenue off that product. I don't know why this is such a shock to you.
UltimaKilo
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So is the Xbox division profitable now? Tons of inverstors were calling for Microsoft to abandon the Xbox just a couple of years ago. Glad they didn't.
Chobel
Member
Tons of investors you say? You have a source for that?
MilkyJoe
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Warriors on Twitter?
Calm Killer
In all media, only true fans who consume every book, film, game, or pog collection deserve to know what's going on.
Both Sony and Microsoft did that....
*sigh* Another Xbox thread goes off the rails.
It's unfortunate that we can't seem to have an intelligent discussion surrounding one of the pillars of the gaming industry these days. We live in a global society and there is a lot that can be discussed regarding Microsoft, Sony, Nintendo, PC gaming, and mobile where the intent is simply well reasoned discussion based on our own experiences sometimes couple with a little inside knowledge. That sharing an opinion on the market that Microsoft chooses to be a part of can be construed as critical and upsetting to some, as if those individuals are delicate and need to be communicated to with special care, is downright embarrassing.
Having browsed many threads over the years, this is a noticeable trend with Xbox threads in particular and it's been going on for well over a year now. I don't know why it has to be this way, why we can't just be adults and not take these discussions so personally, but whatever it is, as long as this continues to be a trend, I will see myself out.
It seems my expectations for civil discourse were too high and that's my mistake.
It's unfortunate that we can't seem to have an intelligent discussion surrounding one of the pillars of the gaming industry these days. We live in a global society and there is a lot that can be discussed regarding Microsoft, Sony, Nintendo, PC gaming, and mobile where the intent is simply well reasoned discussion based on our own experiences sometimes couple with a little inside knowledge. That sharing an opinion on the market that Microsoft chooses to be a part of can be construed as critical and upsetting to some, as if those individuals are delicate and need to be communicated to with special care, is downright embarrassing.
Having browsed many threads over the years, this is a noticeable trend with Xbox threads in particular and it's been going on for well over a year now. I don't know why it has to be this way, why we can't just be adults and not take these discussions so personally, but whatever it is, as long as this continues to be a trend, I will see myself out.
It seems my expectations for civil discourse were too high and that's my mistake.
Christocolus
Member
Lmao... This thread is hilarious.
Baron Samedi
Member
How dare they perpetuate this very normal practice that every single business uses, fuck Harvard, Oxford and every single university that teaches this is how you're supposed to measure KPIs.
MilkyJoe
Member
Nah ,like all xbox threads, it's old hat now.
Yeah, fuck numbers.