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Your milkshake duck
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He even tried to slip in both sidesism on wage inequality.
legacyzero
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Are we serious right now? Lol
Seems there's no discussion to be had here. Just attacks.
jack_package_200
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Maybe because one side LITERALLY harassed, doxxed, and tried to force those women out of the industry while the other may have said a not nice thing about a video game you like.
BOTH SIDES
Can you expand on this?
Westbahnhof
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I think it's about the fact that no people on the spectrum were involved, but instead Autism Speaks, a widely criticized organization.
Psychoward
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ah shit here comes another milkshake duck, what's wrong with autism speaks?
Aww man, that sucks. Gonna go read up on this.
Yeah. It's odd how people tend to not process that despite claiming "both sides." This is really 2 separate conflicts. Criticism vs. Fanboyism & Ok with someone being harassed, doxxed, & threatened (If not being complicit) vs. Being a decent human being who positively contributes to society by simply not engaging in those actions & identifying they are unjustified/horrifying.
It's almost like they took that 3rd option but realize how horrible it sounds, despite continuing to take that point...
They erroneously believe ASD can be cured, for starters... it spirals into hell from there.
If the show got their info from a group that only works to stigmatize the very disorder the show focuses on... let's just say I'm not adding that to my backlog.
Here's where my criticism of you has been. You've mentioned Charlotteville, but you're still excusing the forces that allowed that to happen. All of your "real racist" and "real Nazi" bullshit ignores that you've got people who aren't out there waving the Confederate battle flag or with swastika tattoos, but condoning and normalizing these behaviours, and those are the people you've been caping for.
You don't need to look any further than what's on the news right as you're reading this screen. Look at how Trump's refusal to demonize these groups has received as an acceptance by the groups themselves. Look at how infuriated so many racists - not KKK members, not Neo-Nazi skinheads, but everyday people who don't see themselves as the "real racists" - are getting upset when people on the news do.
If you feel like you're getting dogpiled when you're criticized for defending these people because they aren't explicitly hateful enough, even when they use symbols or expressions of hate that Trump himself might be too shy to display, then you're sticking your head in the sand. You know why you're getting dogpiled. And I really don't think you've learned a damn thing. As far as I'm concerned, you're just yet another person who is more concerned about people being called "racist" than you are about people actually engaging in racism.
Man, Scott Adams is so weird. I have a copy of The Dilbert Future. I remember reading it and loving his analysis. Then I read his whole thing about how gravity may not exist, and I feel like it's a different person.
Messofanego
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Fluffernutter Pancake
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I'm still trying to wrap my head around milkshake duck.................does Bill Cosby qualify as a Milkshake Duck?
As an outsider to the initial incident, I'd recommend giving this a read. A lot of this reads as "But I'm on your side!" and "No no no, you guys are persecuting me!" and that isn't a good or supportive attitude to have.
http://birthmoviesdeath.com/2017/08/04/film-crit-hulk-smash-on-criticism-in-the-intersectional-age
Absolutely. He was a beloved sitcom dad & respected comedian, but his history of sexual assault was only spoken of in whispers later on, & wasn't brought to mainstream attention until decades after becoming a household name.
Generalized, it's a beloved entertainer than turns out to be a horrible person. So he definitely counts.
Messofanego
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He was beloved by millions for decades, so yeah.
Fluffernutter Pancake
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Could Bill Cosby qualify as the quintessential embodiment of Milkshake Duck? Are there any others in modern times that could take that crown?
jack_package_200
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This is a great approximation of how I felt about those posts by him.
sixteen-bit
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I was afraid of that. Can you elaborate?
Westbahnhof
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Rubik8
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That is unintentionally hilarious.
WhateverItTakes
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People should read this. Really gives context to how we people interacting/arguing online and how a self absorbed approach, unintentional or not, really stifles discussion and incredibly unhelpful. It's an easy trap to fall into I'm gonna try and check myself on this in the future.
TheRedSnifit
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To be fair, I don't think he was proposing that has a serious theory so much as it being a bit of a "thought experiment." It admittedly doesn't hold up that well when you think about it (how would the alternative explanation explain orbits?), but I thought it illustrated his point reasonably well.
Although now that I think about it, that section does carry a somewhat more sinister overtone in light of his recent outing as a climate change denier.
They don't any more, actually. They got their leadership revamped and altered their mission statement last year.
https://www.disabilityscoop.com/2016/10/14/autism-speaks-no-longer-cure/22884/
Well, now I'm sad.
Though, out of James and Mike, I would have thought that Mike would be the milkshake duck.
TheRedSnifit
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You mean to tell me that the man behind comedy milestone "Minecraft With Gadget" has a bad sense of humor?
Why, I never.
Pokemaniac
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They focus more on essentially eugenics then actually helping people with Autism. The only autistic board member resigned because the felt the organization didn't represent them.
Agreed, this is fucking superb.
I will say again that I strongly believe a lot of "two sides"/anti-SJW sentiment comes not from racism/sexism, but solely from cynicism. Crying foul and boycotting a person's content because they out themselves as a two-sideser is entirely reasonable, as is pointing out the racist and sexist implications of any ambiguous or devil-advocating statements. However, I don't think it's helpful to prejudicially label these people racist or sexist, and (correct me if I'm wrong) that seems to be all legacyzero is saying.
I understand the desire to force people to choose a side in what is a very black and white issue; and I understand the thorough condemnation of those who deliberately straddle the fence and distract from the real issues. I also understand the desire to point out that labeling fence-sitters and two-sidesers as racists/sexists is sometimes purely speculative, and a potentially dangerous mindset to adopt; as awful and distracting and disruptive as those people may be.
But the transcendent point made in the Film Crit Hulk article is that anything that distracts from the really crucial topic at hand - especially distractions that come from an egotistical need to be seen to be a Good Person - is largely unhelpful, and best ignored so that it doesn't get in the way of the greater issues.
This is a great thread to idly wonder if Paige, and by extension Pat and the SBF crew, hold problematic beliefs that might turn people away from watching their channels or funding them on Twitch, etc. But in almost any other thread, especially threads dealing with aggressive, out-and-proud racists, any mention of a single questionable YouTube personality is distracting from the real shit; whether it's an attempt to condemn someone without solid evidence, or - crucially - react positively or negatively to that condemnation.
Posts like the one I'm making now don't belong in any thread discussing broader issues of racism. Learning to STFU and simply be aware of an issue without participating in its discussion is as lesson I also needed to learn in recent years. I'm still learning. Because yes, you're passionate and want to get involved, but the part of you that needs to be seen to be passionate and involved is more often than not profoundly unhelpful, even if it comes from a place that feels ostensibly altruistic and germane to the discussion.
It's not exactly a milkshake duck tweet, but I was reminded today that Tim Allen is an idiot.
Westbahnhof
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Wait what? :c What happened?
MineralCraver420
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After reading that thread about Roman Polanski, Tilda Swinton, Wes Anderson, Terry Gilliam, David Lynch, and Martin Scorcese are on my milkshake duck list. Fuck anyone that supports Roman Polanski. Oh well, now I don't have to watch the new Twin Peaks season.
There were some anonymous (I think) sources a few years back that alleged that Louis CK had sexually harassed some women in a hotel or something. I forget the exact details but IIRC the claim was that he invited them up to his hotel room and then blocked them from leaving the room by standing in front of the door with his dick out. Because it was so unsubstantiated and unsourced, though, everyone forgot about it pretty quickly. Also, it was mostly celebrity gossip websites that were talking about it, rather than more conventional news sources.
Would be a real shame if it ever came out that it was true.
Baron von Loathsome
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It's not exactly a milkshake duck tweet, but I was reminded today that Tim Allen is an idiot.
If we evolved from apes how come we still got Tim Allen?
Depends on where you are, remember the US is not the world.
In the UK Cosby isn't a very big figure at all but Jimmy Saville was a huuuge TV star and DJ in the 60's, 70's and 80's. He was a BBC Radio 1 DJ and everyone watched Top of the Pops, a weekly music show that showcased the UK Top 40 and Jim'll Fix It, a show where kids would write in their wishes and Jim would grant them.
Then it turns out he had raped and sexually abused hundreds of people, mostly young kids ranging from 5 years old to 75 years old and overnight became one of Britain's most prolific sex offenders. There were even allegations he was into necrophilia and claims that he engaged in it often. For people in the UK this was massive news and while everyone liked to make a joke for decades that Saville looked like a total creep and there had been allegations made towards him in the past they were suppressed or were never taken seriously.
Morrigan Stark
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What the fuck is this douchenozzle's problem? Ugh JFC
It's not exactly a milkshake duck tweet, but I was reminded today that Tim Allen is an idiot.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QdTMw0OsP6g
What's the context of this if I may ask?
This fucking guy.
It's the anniversary of Gamergate and Kotaku decided to interview TB about how he online harassment. Needless to say people (including the FemFreq twitter account) took issue with this. That was his response.
Lightning_Roller
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Oh hey, I was starting to feel sorry for this douchenozzle, never mind then. Fuck this arrogant, head so far up his own ass he breathes his own farts, stupid, moronic piece of trash.
Wait, I'm confused. Is he posting this from an alternate universe where he and Anita changed places? Like:
"So come at me. You stand shoulder to shoulder with 4chan trolls and bigots in attacking the loud, sane voice in the room. You cannot win."
This is coming from Totalbiscuit, right? Not going to him?
So he decides to harass someone the same day that he is the subject of an anti-harassment article? lol
...It's not exactly a milkshake duck tweet, but I was reminded today that Tim Allen is an idiot.
NoFaceNico
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Was Gary Glitter on the same level of shock? I don't know, I figured he was out of the limelight when he was arrested, but celebrities so seem have more staying power in the UK for some reason.
IrishNinja
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yeah, US wise, i don't think you can get a better example of a milkshake duck than cosby
fuck what some folks on gaming side will tell you, totalbiscuit is total garbage & has been for a while now. his fence-sitting during gg was - and as that interview/tweet today show, is - so transparent
it's important to point out that dudes that look like you & i are literally tourists to racial injustice. a take i read the night of ferguson that really stuck with me is: we get to be outraged, american POC's get to be terrified.
which is to say: no matter how much i fuck with BLM, i don't live it. partitioning off black liberation from the white supremacy literally built into our country's DNA & calling it identity politics & saying you have to speak on other things simultaneously minimizes that without recognizing that important distinction.
i get to ride for healthcare & lots of other things and not spend my day horrified that this administration is making daily efforts to endanger trans folks. if i was trans, you think i'd have that energy to ride for other issues, much less inclination?
yeah, it kinda does - caring about a vague finish line & defining what should or shouldn't matter for women trying to get there isn't helpful. and we both know you've RT'd meninist/"feminist bullshit" stuff in the recent past, so does it really strike you as so odd or unfair to point out this weak stance?
i don't know many people well enough to actually visit their intentions. if they say reckless shit a few times & wanna call it comedy, i don't need to give the benefit of the doubt; tons of 4hchan kids wanna spew hateful venom & call it trolling. hell, we saw a few of them on video the other day trying to say they were marching just for laughs.
or to lift from here:
PDP doulbed down with the free speech stuff & starting warming up to sargon and folks like that, i wanna say. the very thread you're getting your balls busted over was him cosignging more henious shit.
i'm not sure what it takes for you to toss someone into the bushes for either saying or standing by awful shit, but expecting better from dudes like colin moriarty tells me you might be waiting for them to actually strap up & hit a like-minded rally, so in case you missed this reply:
^
you're not wrong, i do want a lot of the things you do - but as long as you're kinda dismissive of racial justice/feminism/intersectionality and the like get there, you should know, your support is gonna ring hollow.
fuck what some folks on gaming side will tell you, totalbiscuit is total garbage & has been for a while now. his fence-sitting during gg was - and as that interview/tweet today show, is - so transparent
it's important to point out that dudes that look like you & i are literally tourists to racial injustice. a take i read the night of ferguson that really stuck with me is: we get to be outraged, american POC's get to be terrified.
which is to say: no matter how much i fuck with BLM, i don't live it. partitioning off black liberation from the white supremacy literally built into our country's DNA & calling it identity politics & saying you have to speak on other things simultaneously minimizes that without recognizing that important distinction.
i get to ride for healthcare & lots of other things and not spend my day horrified that this administration is making daily efforts to endanger trans folks. if i was trans, you think i'd have that energy to ride for other issues, much less inclination?
yeah, it kinda does - caring about a vague finish line & defining what should or shouldn't matter for women trying to get there isn't helpful. and we both know you've RT'd meninist/"feminist bullshit" stuff in the recent past, so does it really strike you as so odd or unfair to point out this weak stance?
i don't know many people well enough to actually visit their intentions. if they say reckless shit a few times & wanna call it comedy, i don't need to give the benefit of the doubt; tons of 4hchan kids wanna spew hateful venom & call it trolling. hell, we saw a few of them on video the other day trying to say they were marching just for laughs.
or to lift from here:
PDP doulbed down with the free speech stuff & starting warming up to sargon and folks like that, i wanna say. the very thread you're getting your balls busted over was him cosignging more henious shit.
i'm not sure what it takes for you to toss someone into the bushes for either saying or standing by awful shit, but expecting better from dudes like colin moriarty tells me you might be waiting for them to actually strap up & hit a like-minded rally, so in case you missed this reply:
^
you're not wrong, i do want a lot of the things you do - but as long as you're kinda dismissive of racial justice/feminism/intersectionality and the like get there, you should know, your support is gonna ring hollow.
Lord I hadn't seen that reply where he's like "who even remembers gamergate?"
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