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InFAMOUS [Mafia] [OT] No Good Karma...
- Thread starter melonrabbit
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Zippedpinhead
Member
If you three trust each other I say go for it. I've already town read all three of you so I trust your judgement.
Vanilla town - Seattle hipster here btw. I just got lucky with the swamped read.
Vanilla town - Seattle hipster here btw. I just got lucky with the swamped read.
I remember Zeke, he was a shit elvis impersonator.
REMAINING PLAYERS
06. [m] Kyanrute - GMT+2 - Zeke Dunbar - 1-shot Doublevote
10. [m] SkyOdin PST - Eugene Sims - Virgin
12. [m] cabot - GMT+1 - Lucy Kuo - Odd-Night Commuter
16. [m] Lone_Prodigy PST - Seattle Hipster
17. [m] *Splinter GMT - Seattle Hipster
20. [m] Zippedpinhead EST - Seattle hipster
22. [m] Kalor BST - ???
DEAD PLAYERS
23. [m] acohrs - D1: Reggie Rowe - Suicide Day Cop
14. [m] Dusk Soldier D1 Lynch: Nix - Town Vigilante
11. [m] AbsolutBro N1: Trish Dailey - Doctor
03. [m] Ri'Orius N4: Celia Penderghast Town Escapist
07. [m] batsnacks N2: Our Glorious Lady Betty - Innocent Child
04. [m] OceanicAir CST - N6: Voice of Survival - Gossip
19. [m] isaacnukem - D3 Lynch: Seattle Hipster
18. [m] Kawl_USC N3: Seattle Hipster
02. [m] Zeusy D5 Lynch: Seattle Hipster
01. [f] WaffleTaco - N5: Seattle Hipster
21. [m] Flame_AC N5:Seattle Hipster
13. [m] Blargonaut D6 Lynch:Seattle Hipster
15. [m] Timeaisis N1: Seattle Hipster
08. [m] CCS - D2 Lynch: Sasha-Witch
09. [m] Bronx-Man Fetch AKA Abigail Walker - Serial Killer
05. [m] TheGoddamn [f] Swamped - N4: The Beast[/QUOTE]
06. [m] Kyanrute - GMT+2 - Zeke Dunbar - 1-shot Doublevote
10. [m] SkyOdin PST - Eugene Sims - Virgin
12. [m] cabot - GMT+1 - Lucy Kuo - Odd-Night Commuter
16. [m] Lone_Prodigy PST - Seattle Hipster
17. [m] *Splinter GMT - Seattle Hipster
20. [m] Zippedpinhead EST - Seattle hipster
22. [m] Kalor BST - ???
DEAD PLAYERS
23. [m] acohrs - D1: Reggie Rowe - Suicide Day Cop
14. [m] Dusk Soldier D1 Lynch: Nix - Town Vigilante
11. [m] AbsolutBro N1: Trish Dailey - Doctor
03. [m] Ri'Orius N4: Celia Penderghast Town Escapist
07. [m] batsnacks N2: Our Glorious Lady Betty - Innocent Child
04. [m] OceanicAir CST - N6: Voice of Survival - Gossip
19. [m] isaacnukem - D3 Lynch: Seattle Hipster
18. [m] Kawl_USC N3: Seattle Hipster
02. [m] Zeusy D5 Lynch: Seattle Hipster
01. [f] WaffleTaco - N5: Seattle Hipster
21. [m] Flame_AC N5:Seattle Hipster
13. [m] Blargonaut D6 Lynch:Seattle Hipster
15. [m] Timeaisis N1: Seattle Hipster
08. [m] CCS - D2 Lynch: Sasha-Witch
09. [m] Bronx-Man Fetch AKA Abigail Walker - Serial Killer
05. [m] TheGoddamn [f] Swamped - N4: The Beast[/QUOTE]
Zippedpinhead
Member
Yep, L_P for inactivity, Skyodin I have jockeyed with the past day or so that he could be scum, virgin claim does not alleviate my suspicions (in fact it made them worse). Kalor because he was first into the day and didn't mention that we should assume this is lylo/mylo.
Zippedpinhead
Member
I mentioned swamped because though blarg and I joked about the second killer prior to Bronx-man being revealed as such, It really was all my read on swamped that had me double down on her days ago. Self congratulatory more than anything else
Lone_Prodigy
Member
Splinter, Kalor, and Sky are my scum reads.
Splinter for tunneling on cabot but conveniently switching to Blarg last day.
I could lump Kalor and Sky together: both make very safe posts, and haven't taken many hard stances. They vote very subtly and you don't really notice until a townie is dead.
Sky's post last page is all kinds of wrong. Mafia is a game of consensus and having the same read of someone is not piggybacking. Bad vibes from a gut read early becomes scummy behaviour if it persists throughout the game.
Splinter for tunneling on cabot but conveniently switching to Blarg last day.
I could lump Kalor and Sky together: both make very safe posts, and haven't taken many hard stances. They vote very subtly and you don't really notice until a townie is dead.
Sky's post last page is all kinds of wrong. Mafia is a game of consensus and having the same read of someone is not piggybacking. Bad vibes from a gut read early becomes scummy behaviour if it persists throughout the game.
What was convenient about it?
Consensus is a good thing, but only when people think for themselves. Blindly following others rarely works out.
Also, I have taken plenty of hard stances. If anything, I stick to my guns too strongly at times.
melonrabbit
Member
I think there have been single shot double voters before in GAFia. However, I am skeptical that kyanrute has sat on a power like that this whole game. If kyanrute had used it earlier, it would have at least made him look town.
I don't know how to read kyanrute right now. I was leaning slightly town on him, but this double vote claim is a little odd. I am not sure if I feel like lynching Kyanrute though, since it seems like a gamble.
Likewise, despite my recurring doubts about cabot, lynching him seems like far too big of a gamble for lylo. It isn't definitive, but without anyone else claiming any sort of defensive role, all logic points to cabot dodging one of Bronx's shots.
Ta.
So either this game only had 3 scum to start, or Kyan is town.
If scum had control of 4 votes today, they'd have turbo'd long ago
Yeah if I had to make a judgement call on this I'd probably think he's scum. Fortunately I don't need to make that mistake.
Zippedpinhead
Member
It's alright, real life stuff is always important!
Lone_Prodigy
Member
Not really buying the "both cabot and Blarg must be scum" argument from yesterday. You left your vote on Blarg all day.
YesNOnoNOYes
Member
Okay, I have finally been able to put my finger on why I have still been scumreading Kalor most of the game despite his general reasonable opinions on people. Back when isaacnukem was lynched, he asked us to go back and check the votes for him for scum. I havecalways felt that the isaacnukem lynch was an odd one, and the lynch that felt the least driven by town.
I think these two posts by Kalor are particularly telling, since they are the only two posts he made that day where he even mentioned isaacnukem. Kalor had spent most of the day phase pushing for a Ri'Orius lynch. When no one else joined him, Kalor just moved his vote over to isaac without much explanation as to why he put isaac on his list of scum in the first place.
The weak mention of Swamped at the end of that read list also causes some alarm bells to ring in my head. It is the only mention Kalor makes of Swamped before her flip as scum. However, Kalor later makes a bigger deal about how he scum read Swamped after her flip, and pointed to this post as proof. To me, that feels like classic scum bussing each other for town cred behavior.
Well that was never the argument. I thought Blarg was more likely to be scum so I voted him, think I was quite clear about that.
But again, what was "convenient" about it? Why was voting for Blarg scummier than voting for cabot?
To town.
I dunno. Want to read the thread through again, won't have the time until evening though.
Game Roles:
23. [m] acohrs - D1: Reggie Rowe - Suicide Day Cop
14. [m] Dusk Soldier – D1 Lynch: Nix - Town Vigilante
11. [m] AbsolutBro – N1: Trish Dailey - Doctor
03. [m] Ri'Orius – N4: Celia Penderghast – Town Escapist
07. [m] batsnacks – N2: Our Glorious Lady Betty - Innocent Child
04. [m] OceanicAir – CST - N6: Voice of Survival - Gossip
06. [m] Kyanrute - GMT+2 - Zeke Dunbar - 1-shot Doublevote
10. [m] SkyOdin – PST - Eugene Sims - Virgin
12. [m] cabot - GMT+1 - Lucy Kuo - Odd-Night Commuter
19. [m] isaacnukem - D3 Lynch: Seattle Hipster
18. [m] Kawl_USC – N3: Seattle Hipster
02. [m] Zeusy – D5 Lynch: Seattle Hipster
01. [f] WaffleTaco - N5: Seattle Hipster
21. [m] Flame_AC – N5:Seattle Hipster
13. [m] Blargonaut – D6 Lynch:Seattle Hipster
15. [m] Timeaisis – N1: Seattle Hipster
16. [m] Lone_Prodigy – PST - Seattle Hipster
17. [m] *Splinter – GMT - Seattle Hipster
20. [m] Zippedpinhead – EST - Seattle hipster
22. [m] Kalor – BST - Seattle Hipster
08. [m] CCS - D2 Lynch: Sasha-Witch
09. [m] Bronx-Man – Fetch AKA Abigail Walker - Serial Killer
05. [m] TheGoddamn [f] Swamped - N4: The Beast - 1-shot BP
23. [m] acohrs - D1: Reggie Rowe - Suicide Day Cop
14. [m] Dusk Soldier – D1 Lynch: Nix - Town Vigilante
11. [m] AbsolutBro – N1: Trish Dailey - Doctor
03. [m] Ri'Orius – N4: Celia Penderghast – Town Escapist
07. [m] batsnacks – N2: Our Glorious Lady Betty - Innocent Child
04. [m] OceanicAir – CST - N6: Voice of Survival - Gossip
06. [m] Kyanrute - GMT+2 - Zeke Dunbar - 1-shot Doublevote
10. [m] SkyOdin – PST - Eugene Sims - Virgin
12. [m] cabot - GMT+1 - Lucy Kuo - Odd-Night Commuter
19. [m] isaacnukem - D3 Lynch: Seattle Hipster
18. [m] Kawl_USC – N3: Seattle Hipster
02. [m] Zeusy – D5 Lynch: Seattle Hipster
01. [f] WaffleTaco - N5: Seattle Hipster
21. [m] Flame_AC – N5:Seattle Hipster
13. [m] Blargonaut – D6 Lynch:Seattle Hipster
15. [m] Timeaisis – N1: Seattle Hipster
16. [m] Lone_Prodigy – PST - Seattle Hipster
17. [m] *Splinter – GMT - Seattle Hipster
20. [m] Zippedpinhead – EST - Seattle hipster
22. [m] Kalor – BST - Seattle Hipster
08. [m] CCS - D2 Lynch: Sasha-Witch
09. [m] Bronx-Man – Fetch AKA Abigail Walker - Serial Killer
05. [m] TheGoddamn [f] Swamped - N4: The Beast - 1-shot BP
I'm still suspect of Sky's play with his alleged role, it doesn't match up. His 'I'm not a perfect mafia player' defense doesn't convince me. Like, most PRs this game have used them fairly poorly (myself included) but like I see absolutely no consistency with a playstyle that invites a NK, which he should be doing as Virgin. His revelation on Kalor also seems like a typical scum in lylo eureka moment to lynch a Town.
As Splinter says, it would have to be a scum team of 3 for Kyan to be scum with a doublevote, which seems too low for the game setup of 23 players. So the numbers and my thinking on the design as we have it now makes me think he's pretty much Town.
The ordinaries are tough. I still consider Kalor as likely town, though I wane on L_P and Splinter. I can see L_P's argument about Splinter chasing me all game then just switching to Blarg, which was odd. However, he's been mostly town in this game and his tunnel felt genuine insofar that he thought he'd nailed scum, not a manufactured tunnel from a scum player.
I can see arguments for L_P, though he has been bold in his play. Was there a reason to be hesitant as scum in this game though? Town have gotten nowhere with it, a neutral was the one to help us. I could be too concrete on L_P being bold means Town.
Zipped is being so comically lazy this day phase that its possible he could be scum just thinking the game is in the bag, but I mean come on. He is still mentioning mylo which frankly, should not be an option as Town. It's extremely unlikely there were only a 3-person scum team in this game, so you really should be accepting this is lylo.
I'll now try and consider these reads along with the vote patterns.
As Splinter says, it would have to be a scum team of 3 for Kyan to be scum with a doublevote, which seems too low for the game setup of 23 players. So the numbers and my thinking on the design as we have it now makes me think he's pretty much Town.
The ordinaries are tough. I still consider Kalor as likely town, though I wane on L_P and Splinter. I can see L_P's argument about Splinter chasing me all game then just switching to Blarg, which was odd. However, he's been mostly town in this game and his tunnel felt genuine insofar that he thought he'd nailed scum, not a manufactured tunnel from a scum player.
I can see arguments for L_P, though he has been bold in his play. Was there a reason to be hesitant as scum in this game though? Town have gotten nowhere with it, a neutral was the one to help us. I could be too concrete on L_P being bold means Town.
Zipped is being so comically lazy this day phase that its possible he could be scum just thinking the game is in the bag, but I mean come on. He is still mentioning mylo which frankly, should not be an option as Town. It's extremely unlikely there were only a 3-person scum team in this game, so you really should be accepting this is lylo.
I'll now try and consider these reads along with the vote patterns.
of everyone? I only remember Kalors post on it.
I scumread Ri for quite a long time with the general feeling being covered in this post:
He really didn't seem very involved at all with the game and I was scumreading that pretty hard.
Didn't help that for the day phase he was lynched he disappeared for 80% of it until the very end to claim.
He really didn't seem very involved at all with the game and I was scumreading that pretty hard.
Didn't help that for the day phase he was lynched he disappeared for 80% of it until the very end to claim.
I meant reads by Ri'Orious. There was at least 1 scum and more likely 2 (unless the remaining scum are exactly Cabot, Zipped, LP), compared to no scum on the alternative (that happens to be cabot).
Could be coincidence, could be protecting scum-cabot, could be scum wanted Ri dead for some reason. If it's the latter then I don't think he claimed anything and he had no night action, so that only leaves his reads.
Could be coincidence, could be protecting scum-cabot, could be scum wanted Ri dead for some reason. If it's the latter then I don't think he claimed anything and he had no night action, so that only leaves his reads.
this is the only real clarification of Kalor's Swamped read. Which is uh....lacking.
^the vote I'm referring to.DAY 4
NO VOTE: Lone_Prodigy
Also bonus shout-out for the lone off-wagon vote for scum (Zipped on Swamped). Those are scum-scum more often than town-scum