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[Christine]

We've broken out the topic about the ethical and legal ramifications of DMCA notices to a separate thread http://m.neogaf.com/showthread.php?t=1431275

Discussion of specific actions taken in response to this situation are on topic, but digressions into more theoretical territory are better in that thread I linked.

 

[ArchedThunder]

i've seen people in this thread do that

I saw someone say the second one here, but not the first.

 

[brunomartynhak]

After watching the context of the video, yeah, totally racist.

I was ready to defend him, "he is fluent in English, but not native, here in Brazil the pejorative word is often like the opposite (negro-n-word/ preto-black (though it varies a lot according to region and it is not as bad as in English)), misspellings happen, etc".

But the context... like he said it as synonym for asshole...

 

[u4iX]

lmao if he wasn't trying to disparage a race then maybe he shouldn't have used a racial slur.

Yeah he shouldn't have used it but I'm not for ruining a guy's life over it, and I'm especially not for the implications it could have on other creators ability to monetize their content.

 

[Merc_]

Is it right to fight hate speak with the same if not worse words? People wished death to Palmer in that thread and worse here.

You really enjoy going to bat for racists huh?

 

[danm999]

Is it right to fight hate speak with the same if not worse words? People wished death to Palmer in that thread and worse here.

What is worse than death? Also who is calling for PDP to die here?

 

[Devilinthiscity]

I stopped talking on the mic altogether because trolls would hear my accent and just start making terrorist, Muslim, India/Apu, 9/11 jokes. It was too much. I know, people say just play with friends but it's just not always easy to find time to play with friends. Anyways, I quit playing Left 4 Dead 2 a while ago any way.

Damn dude, that really sucks. One of the main reasons I never play with a headset and end up muting everyone else.

 

[Strazyplus]

I'm sorry but I respectfully disagree when it comes to combating racists and people who have the power to influence for the worst. If he didn't learn last time maybe he will start thinking about it soon.

I refuse to accept that fair use can be selectively thrown out because someone wills it. Specially when fair use is been in a long battle to have as it had been stomped on so much and often.

We've broken out the topic about the ethical and legal ramifications of DMCA notices to a separate thread http://m.neogaf.com/showthread.php?t=1431275

Discussion of specific actions taken in response to this situation are on topic, but digressions into more theoretical territory are better in that thread I linked.

Sorry if it seemed I derailed.

 

[Crossing Eden]

Is it right to fight hate speak with the same if not worse words? People wished death to Palmer in that thread and worse here.

 

[nicoga3000]

This problem is actually getting larger than I expected interesting.

Pewdiepie said the N-word on PUBG stream.... and the Firewatch dev decided to DMCA his Firewatch videos.

Yikes. This is a really really bad idea. Didn't H3H3 just win a fair use legal battle? IF shit gets dirty, Firewatch devs have nothing to stand on here. We can all be upset with Pewdiepie, but these devs are not allowed to DMCA claim because they're upset with him.

 

[Busaiku]

You really enjoy going to bat for racists huh?

🤔

 

[Luminaire]

What the FUCK is with his latest video - I watched like a minute of it and he's just shouting at my state for allowing Donald Trump to cause forest fires or some...stupid shit.

 

[Tain]

tfw when the "current meta of online communities being toxic diminishes personal accountability" and allows you to keep shrieking at video games and make millions of dollars after pulling repeated racist stunts

 

[Interficium]

Yeah he shouldn't have used it but I'm not for ruining a guys life over it, and I'm especially not for the implications it could have on other creators ability to monetize their content.

other youtubers are truly the real victims here. how will they eat.

 

[Armaros]

Yikes. This is a really really bad idea. Didn't H3H3 just win a fair use legal battle? IF shit gets dirty, Firewatch devs have nothing to stand on here. We can all be upset with Pewdiepie, but these devs are not allowed to DMCA claim because they're upset with him.

A lets play doesn't have fair use protections.

 

[GearDraxon]

Forgive me as I'm in the hurricane region and don't know if this note got posted earlier or not (on mobile; connection going in and out).

It did go through earlier, but it's an important example of how pervasive this stuff is.

More importantly, stay safe out there in the storm!

 

[Beefy]

Yikes. This is a really really bad idea. Didn't H3H3 just win a fair use legal battle? IF shit gets dirty, Firewatch devs have nothing to stand on here. We can all be upset with Pewdiepie, but these devs are not allowed to DMCA claim because they're upset with him.

Last I will talk about it in here as there is a thread on it. But lets plays don't fall under fair use.

 

[ZealousD]

How am I a hypovrite? If a company doesn't want a racist ass hole promoting their game then i see no problem with it. Same with if a homophobe etc gets treated the same way. A company should have a right to not want a poisonous person promote their games. It isn't their fault the only way they can stop a person playing a game is by DMCA.

You're essentially claiming that a company should have a right to censor somebody (literally, legal censorship) if that company doesn't like that person or doesn't want them associated with their product.

The DMCA should not be used as a weapon of censorship. It use be used whenever there is copyright infringement occurring.

Do you or do you not believe that a Lets Play or streaming constitutes Fair Use? If you have always believed that it's not Fair Use, then you're not a hypocrite. But if you were angry at Nintendo or other companies for issuing copyright strikes in the past, then you are a hypocrite.

 

[Willenium]

Yeah he shouldn't have used it but I'm not for ruining a guys life over it, and I'm especially not for the implications it could have on other creators ability to monetize their content.

when the "content" is literally just playing video games, i don't think that should be monetized at all.

 

[Mass Effect]

alt right has always exist. They just were hidden. Now that Trump got elected seems that they are not even scared anymore.

The alt-right, as the machine it exists as now, most definitely did not exist a few years ago. Yes, the bigots that make up that group were always there, but they were not organized like this.

L4D1/2 has the worst fucking community. Ever

Have you played League?

.

oh shit, didn't even see his title. bast not waste my time then.

 

[sangreal]

Don't think PewDiePie did anything wrong, people misspeak, seems he was genuine in knowing he slipped up, he probably shouldn't be using that word, but I don't think he was using it in a way meant to disparage any particular race.

...

He follows it up with an entire conversation about how his viewers are cool with it and that he doesn't care if he loses sponsors

 

[Alienous]

Yeah he shouldn't have used it but I'm not for ruining a guys life over it, and I'm especially not for the implications it could have on other creators ability to monetize their content.

I don't think advocating for ruining his life is the same thing as thinking people shouldn't tacitly support someone who feels so confident as to casually use the n-word in an effort to insult and demean.

And I don't buy into the slippery slope argument.

 

[Maximo]

Dam some of these posters...more concerned that being able to say racist things without consequence *might* be taken away from them, rather then stopping racism itself.

 

[Skittles]

Yikes. This is a really really bad idea. Didn't H3H3 just win a fair use legal battle? IF shit gets dirty, Firewatch devs have nothing to stand on here. We can all be upset with Pewdiepie, but these devs are not allowed to DMCA claim because they're upset with him.

Developers have complete control over whether or not youtube videos can be posted of their game. Just look at what nintendo of japan does. Pewd would have no leg to stand on trying to fight it

 

[Armaros]

You're essentially claiming that a company should have a right to censor somebody (literally, legal censorship) if that company doesn't like that person or doesn't want them associated with their product.

The DMCA should not be used as a weapon of censorship. It use be used whenever there is copyright infringement occurring.

Do you or do you not believe that a Lets Play or stream constitutes Fair Use? If you have always believed that it's not Fair Use, then you're not a hypocrite. But if you were angry at Nintendo or other companies for issuing copyright strikes in the past, then you are a hypocrite.

Fair Use is not some mythical shield that protects all content..

Least of all lets play.

 

[Merc_]

Yeah he shouldn't have used it but I'm not for ruining a guys life over it, and I'm especially not for the implications it could have on other creators ability to monetize their content.

He's had more then enough chances at this point. If this is finally the one that bites him in the ass for good then it's his own fault. It's truly unfortunate that other content creators may end up suffering for PDP selfish and shitty behavior.

 

[Weltall Zero]

Yeah he shouldn't have used it but I'm not for ruining a guys life over it, and I'm especially not for the implications it could have on other creators ability to monetize their content.

"Ruining a guys life".

 

[nicoga3000]

A lets play doesn't have fair use protections.

Ah - I didn't know that. Thanks!

I'll hit up the other thread since this is all super wonky territory and I'm really curious about how this pans out.

 

[TheBaldEmperor]

Yeah he shouldn't have used it but I'm not for ruining a guys life over it, and I'm especially not for the implications it could have on other creators ability to monetize their content.

If I used that word at my place of business my life would be ruined and rightfully so. Good thing that word isn't in my vocabulary and never has been.

 

[Interface23]

You're essentially claiming that a company should have a right to censor somebody (literally, legal censorship) if that company doesn't like that person or doesn't want them associated with their product.

The DMCA should not be used as a weapon of censorship. It use be used whenever there is copyright infringement occurring.

Do you or do you not believe that a Lets Play or stream constitutes Fair Use? If you have always believed that it's not Fair Use, then you're not a hypocrite. But if you were angry at Nintendo or other companies for issuing copyright strikes, then you are a hypocrite.

Let's plays are not fair use, Nintendo was going a little far with copyright strikes because they were also hitting reviews and such.

If Pewdiepie did reviews of Firewatch than in that case if the developer strikes him for that it would be screwed up on the devs part no matter how racist and scummy Pewds is.

 

[Crossing Eden]

"Ruining a guys life".

Think of the poor millionaire whose audience is comprised of children, we should really consider his feelings first and foremost:

 

[Armaros]

Yeah he shouldn't have used it but I'm not for ruining a guys life over it, and I'm especially not for the implications it could have on other creators ability to monetize their content.

PDP will remain richer then the majority of the world's population and GAF if he gets forced off of youtube and all other platforms and has to live off of his current earnings.

 

[u4iX]

when the "content" is literally just playing video games, i don't think that should be monetized at all.

I'd argue PewDiePie's Let's Plays are actually more transformative than a bulk of the YouTubers out there because of the character he puts on, because he really isn't "just" playing a videogame, he's actually putting on a performance, in a sense, with his character. However, I get the feeling that a lot of people in this thread won't agree with me on those sentiments.

 

[kevin1025]

What the FUCK is with his latest video - I watched like a minute of it and he's just shouting at my state for allowing Donald Trump to cause forest fires or some...stupid shit.

He seems to think everyone is blaming Trump for hurricanes and forest fires. He either is incredibly unfortunate in the mind department, or is willfully keeping information out of his nonsensical video.

Either way, his viewers lose.

 

[Basketball]

when the "content" is literally just playing video games, i don't think that should be monetized at all.

get with the times old man

 

[EdmondD]

I really don't get why people defend this guy. What's so appealing about him? Rich privileged piece of shit that screams random things as he plays videogames. I don't understand.

 

[Maximo]

I'd argue PewDiePie's Let's Plays are actually more transformative than a bulk of the YouTubers out there because of the character he puts on, because he really isn't "just" playing a videogame, he's actually putting on a performance, in a sense, with his character. However, I get the feeling that a lot of people in this thread won't agree with me on those sentiments.

So hes putting on a racist character?

 

[Diabelli]

Don't think PewDiePie did anything wrong

He did

people misspeak

People who aren't racist don't misspeak racist slurs

seems he was genuine in knowing he slipped up

The only thing he slipped up was saying it on stream. He literally said later that he forgot he was streaming, which implies he has no problem using that word. His immediate reaction was laughing it off and he didn't apologize once.

he probably shouldn't be using that word

No probably about it.

but I don't think he was using it in a way meant to disparage any particular race.

He doesn't get to fucking decide in what way he uses that word. There's no missing context or satirization here.

 

[LudicrousSpeed]

EDIT: Didn't see the topic moved out before I hit post. Will move this over.

 

[ArchedThunder]

Dam some of these posters...more concerned that being able to say racist things without consequence *might* be taken away from them, rather then stopping racism itself.

People seem to think that they should be able to say whatever they want with zero consequence and nobody should be allowed to speak up about it.
"Freedom of Speech"

 

[Generalpsyduck]

Don't think PewDiePie did anything wrong, people misspeak, seems he was genuine in knowing he slipped up, he probably shouldn't be using that word, but I don't think he was using it in a way meant to disparage any particular race.

 

[ScientificPizza]

If I used that word at my place of business my life would be ruined and rightfully so. Good thing that word isn't in my vocabulary and never has been.

exactly

 

[Weltall Zero]

Think of the poor millionaire whose audience is comprised of children, we should really consider his feelings first and foremost:

I will never understand what leads people to stand up for the millionaires and multibillion companies of the world, but it has to be psychologically related to Stockholm syndrome, right?

 

[Kindekuma]

"Ruining a guys life".

PDP got "fuck you money" at this point, only thing that can drag him down is his social status and popularity. He's got a good pace going with that now.

 

[TheBaldEmperor]

I'd argue PewDiePie's Let's Plays are actually more transformative than a bulk of the YouTubers out there because of the character he puts on, because he really isn't "just" playing a videogame, he's actually putting on a performance, in a sense, with his character. However, I get the feeling that a lot of people in this thread won't agree with me on those sentiments.

When his "character" is "racist asshole" and is viewed by millions I would agree they are transformative but in a different way than what you're saying.

 

[Willenium]

get with the times old man

Basketball..... i will never get with the times.

 

[Slayven]

So hes putting on a racist character?

The Alex Jones defense

 

[Interficium]

I'd argue PewDiePie's Let's Plays are actually more transformative than a bulk of the YouTubers out there because of the character he puts on,

so it's just his character that's racist, it's all so clear now.

 

[besada]

Move the DMCA Let's Play discussions to the other thread.

 

[Stealthcobra]

Forgive me as I'm in the hurricane region and don't know if this note got posted earlier or not (on mobile; connection going in and out). I had wanted to say the following:

I just don't understand where comments like this come from within people. I hear shit like this on a somewhat regular basis like Overwatch too.

I was playing competitive OW and one of my teammates yelled out the following after spotting that the team had a Pharah

"PHARAH! THEY GOT A NIGGER IN THE TREES! NIGGER IN THE TREES!"

Like, what? Where do you even have to be from to have made that association. What mind comes up with this.

After identifying myself as black on voice comms they (he was in a party of 2 or 3) were like "oh..." then that awkaward silence before attempting to laugh it off. His comfort zone was temporarially displaced by sudden embarrassment and shame as he thought he was protected by a team of permissive or like-minded white males as he usually is and was thrown off balance upon realization that he was not. I'm sure he continued the behavior in the games he played that followed.

This was months ago and I remember it like it was yesterday. Not all words are just words, young people.

Honestly, the lengths and creativity I see people go to in order to promote their feelings of racial superiority or otherwise outpace their insecurities at the expense of others never ceases to amaze. My disappointment is multiplied, however, by some of GAF deciding to die on a hill to defend him or the idea that what he said wasn't that bad or didn't know what he was saying.

All just very disappointing.


Just very disappointing.

Similar thing happened to me... I'm in a party chat and SPADESLAYN4LIFE comes in and literally the first word out of his mouth was the n word... So he noticed my afro samurai avatar, so he immediately leaves. So there was awkward silence and then apologies. But this still stings and its been 2 to 3 years... Because what does it also say about the others in the group if this was accepted. Complicity is acceptance and makes racist think they aren't the scum of the earth.