excelsiorlef
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Look here's the reality.
If you're a super liberal, or even just a liberal and you fight to get Sargon unabnned from twitter after he tweeted porn out to another twitter user who reported him. Funny enough guy he did it too was a troll too and they both ended up going down in the end but he still took it upon himself to tweet gay porn as some sort of insult or "joke"
http://www.patheos.com/blogs/barrie...-twitter-suspended-tweeting-interracial-porn/
And what does out friend post
Notice only the second tweet made it into the video eh.... Notice he calls Sargon, not an abusive man, not a bigot, not an Islamaphobe, but a social commentator.... OOOOPS
And for people not sure who Sargon is: https://tweetsave.com/sargon_of_akkad
This is the guy that Fantano decided needed to be allowed back on twitter... because Free Speech, even though free speech has fuck all to do with twitter.
https://youtu.be/pStx2FzOR6k
That's him shitting on people for talking about white privilege on the internet... who else shits on people for talking about white privilege on the internet again? And btw the target of that satire can''t be argued to be alt-righters... Don't even try to.
This one is just funny given he considers himself a celebrity and his defense for everything is I'm a liberal.
BTw here's super Liberal Anthony on Anita Sarkeesian:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parents_Music_Resource_Center
He literally compares her to a government censorship group.
Here's a really long analysis of the Sargon interview. SOme hilights
They have a discussion about are Nazis actually left wing and Anthony throw up horsehoe theory....
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B92GQhkVDiMuWmJzaU9wX2hhcGM/view
From another
https://www.reddit.com/r/Destiny/comments/6lijl2/anthony_fantanos_podcast_with_sargon_breakdown/
Like I said he may be liberal, but he's no ally to social justice.
If you're a super liberal, or even just a liberal and you fight to get Sargon unabnned from twitter after he tweeted porn out to another twitter user who reported him. Funny enough guy he did it too was a troll too and they both ended up going down in the end but he still took it upon himself to tweet gay porn as some sort of insult or "joke"
http://www.patheos.com/blogs/barrie...-twitter-suspended-tweeting-interracial-porn/
And what does out friend post
Notice only the second tweet made it into the video eh.... Notice he calls Sargon, not an abusive man, not a bigot, not an Islamaphobe, but a social commentator.... OOOOPS
And for people not sure who Sargon is: https://tweetsave.com/sargon_of_akkad
This is the guy that Fantano decided needed to be allowed back on twitter... because Free Speech, even though free speech has fuck all to do with twitter.
https://youtu.be/pStx2FzOR6k
That's him shitting on people for talking about white privilege on the internet... who else shits on people for talking about white privilege on the internet again? And btw the target of that satire can''t be argued to be alt-righters... Don't even try to.
This one is just funny given he considers himself a celebrity and his defense for everything is I'm a liberal.
BTw here's super Liberal Anthony on Anita Sarkeesian:
http://theneedledrop.tumblr.com/post/95894002452/i-dont-think-anita-sarkeesians-videos-should-beAnita is getting flack because shes an ignorant outsider. Im not even a gamer, and this is apparent to me.
Whether you agree the content Anita showcases is misogynistic, offensive or not, most of her videos function on the same, flawed premise: That the negative gender stereotypes she finds in these games are harmful to the gamers that play them. She argues that these games somehow ingrain negative gender stereotypes in the individuals that play. They hurt women via perpetuating these stereotypes, essentially.
This is pure, unsubstantiated BS. Anita would never fund an actual study with the tens of thousands of dollars shes raised, because she knows any such study wouldnt work in her favor. Its easier to buy a bunch of video games, cherrypick the most offensive parts for ignorant viewers, and then keep the rest of the money for yourself and your organization, right?
Youve gotta wake up to the truth: Anitas videos are about as effective and as enlightening as an elementary school screening of Reefer Madness.
Mediaespecially popular mediareflects already-existing norms, ideas, concepts, and sentiments in a society, it doesnt dictate them to consumers. Slasher flicks dont make serial killers. Grand Theft Auto doesnt increase the probability of shooting sprees. Gangsta rap doesnt create gangs. The game Bully doesnt create bullies. Reading 50 Shades of Grey probably doesnt increase the likelihood of the reader getting tied up and whipped for sexual pleasure either.
If EA Games were to somehow create and sell a video game titled Mysogyny: Women Suck, the only people who would buy and enjoy such a game would be individuals who already agreed with the games clearly stated ideology. Anyone else buying and enjoying the game probably just dabbles in whatever fantasy the game presents during gameplay only.
The probability of this game somehow CREATING a misogynist is about as likely as your local librarys copy of Mein Kampf creating a Nazi. Any such result would be minuscule if charted in a study of any sort.
As a kid, teen, and adult, Ive been exposed to TONS of media that has displayed women as the weaker, more submissive, and more sexually desirable gender. However, this is not something I feel is reality. Why? Strong female role models, good upbringing, friends, family, amazing wife, and plenty of real-life interactions with women. FUCK A VIDEO GAME! A healthy reality ALWAYS trumps a fantasy.
If you really want to change hearts and minds when it comes to gender roles in society, youve got to work on changing that societys reality, not its mediaespecially media that so explicitly deals in fantasy. I know we tend to blame the media for a lot of our ills, but your real-life interactions and role models play a larger role in guiding your moral and social outlook than any music, movie, game, or book youll ever consume.
Anita is on the most foolish of errands, but yall are eating it up like a hot pizza. Looking for positive gender roles in a game like Hitman is like looking for positive gender roles in any of the three Expendables films. Theres nothing applicable to real life in Hitman because the games not meant to guide anyone through real life. Its a violent video game, not a dating advice show. There arent a whole lotta healthy social norms in the game because its not meant to portray any sort of normality.
NOW DONT GET IT TWISTED: I do understand that violent, male-pandering video games persist in the video game industry. They make a lot of money, yes. And I completely acknowledge that a lot of whats in games like Hitman, Manhunt, and Grand Theft Auto isnt exactly, uh, healthy when it comes to the gender roles displayed. Theres a definitely a lack of female leading roles in many games, too.
However, its not like there arent alternatives here. There are plenty of non-violent, positive indie and mainstream games out there that would love more customers. And there could be MORE if we supported this sect of the industry. If Anita really cared about the future of the video game industry in relation to her cause, well, then shed encourage all of her fans to purchase video games that work outside the negative gender stereotypes and violence of games like Hitman. Its that simple. Supply and demand might have created Hitman, but it can just as easily create games with positive messages and gender roles, and it already has. You just have to buy them and be willing to support future releases that fit in with your taste.
But Anita is no gamer, and most of her supporters arent either. Theyre outsiders that want to see change in a market they dont participate in. Anitas lack of experience is plain as day, yet, shes lauded as some kind of expert. What if we applied the same angle to me right here:
Would you take my metal reviews seriously if I owned no metal records? Didnt listen to metal? Had no real history with metal? Disliked metal? Constantly criticized metal with surface-level complaints like it being too loud, satanic, violent, angry, and perpetuating dangerous, overly masculine gender stereotypes? No, you wouldnt. No oneexcept people equally ignorant to metalwould take me seriously. Id be an ignorant outsider, which Anita is when it comes to gaming.
And I still stand by my PMRC comparison, too. I see similarity in her determination to find social dangers where there really are none. Yeah, Anita has nowhere near the same level of power or political influence, and she probably never will. And she probably wont try to pull off the same censorship stunts due to the inevitable failure of trying to enforce or legislate any such censorship. It would be more beneficial to her to stay on the sidelines and collect her fundraising bucks as she highlights games she deems misogynistic. I agree Americas got a long way to go when it comes to creating social equality between the genders, but video games are nowhere near the root of the issues we need to address. Theyre just an easy target for the quick to complain.
All in all, its same shit, different decade. People have been whining and moaning over harmful media for generations. And it should be no surprise that those desperately seeking to be offended lose every time. You can be on that side if you want, but just be a good sport when you take your L.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parents_Music_Resource_Center
He literally compares her to a government censorship group.
Here's a really long analysis of the Sargon interview. SOme hilights
After the initial pleasantries are exchanged, Sargon drops the 10-ton term
internet activists and dismisses them as not being in tune with the common man.
Regardless of the truth-value of this statement, this is a fallacious argument because
it is essentially an appeal to popularity. What is actually worth discussing is
whether or not these internet activists are correct. He then calls himself a
classical liberal (hes not) and Anthony tells everyone to look up this term, which
feels strange because it is Sargon who hasnt done his research. Anthony is ignorant
in not seeing this. This is the first of a few terminological problems that come up and
dont get addressed throughout the interview, which is aggravating because well-
defined terms make a huge difference in how an argument is presented.
After that discussion, Sargon says that he cant believe how anyone could
believe that the Nazis were right wing. There are just a plethora of /r/badhistory
takedowns of this idea. It is one of the quintessential bad history ideas. The long and
short of it is that all the Stasserists were purged during the Night of the Long Knives.
Nothing about Nazi policy was leftist in any way from that point on. This is
inexcusably sloppy history on his part. Anthony advocates a horseshoe theory,
which falls apart in its own right when you examine the actual differences present.
They have a discussion about are Nazis actually left wing and Anthony throw up horsehoe theory....
They begin conflating Jack Thompson and people like Tipper Gore (though
not specifically named) with the people they are calling SJWs. This basically comes
down to neither of them acknowledging the difference between reactionary
conservatism and Cultivation Theory, complicated by the fact that Anthony doesnt
want to acknowledge that Mass Media Studies actually exist. This video on the
subject actually directly addresses the problem with this conflation and is a good
place to start understanding what arguments are actually being made. They bring
Tyler up later in the video and make the same denial of music to be able to
communicate harmful messages.
They begin conflating Jack Thompson and people like Tipper Gore (though
not specifically named) with the people they are calling SJWs. This basically comes
down to neither of them acknowledging the difference between reactionary
conservatism and Cultivation Theory, complicated by the fact that Anthony doesnt
want to acknowledge that Mass Media Studies actually exist. This video on the
subject actually directly addresses the problem with this conflation and is a good
place to start understanding what arguments are actually being made. They bring
Tyler up later in the video and make the same denial of music to be able to
communicate harmful messages. This is particularly odd because I think that
anybody who is currently between the ages of 20 and 25 probably knows someone
who decided that being a pseudo-nihilist vandal skater type was cool because of the
rise of Odd Future.
Things start to wade into the deep end when Sargon brings up the dark
allure of collectivism. Sargon talks about the impossibility of a level playing field
but doesnt talk about the ethics of the level playing field. I dont think anyone really
thinks that a world without sexism, racism, classism, ableism, transphobia, and
homophobia will ever come to be. I dont think the people he is arguing actually
exist. I think he is arguing with strawmen to make Affirmative Action seem like the
first step into dystopia. Anthony basically does this with his abduct everyones
children scenario. When a slippery slope scenario is used in this way, it is fallacious.
Anthony ends the interview with some really strong words about the nature
of social justice criticism, essentially drawing a comparison between it and physical
force or government censorship. Criticism is not authoritative dictation. Anthony is
arguing with nobody. Your actions can be commented on and criticized. That is the
definition of free speech. This is what you say you want.
Anthony and Sargon breach a lot of topics and only give a taste of their
opinions on most of them. Sargons opinions on some things, like LGBT rights and
liberalism are actually quite tame compared to his counterparts in his movement.
Anthony provides a good counter-argument at a couple crucial times where
Sargons bias is clear and inexcusable. There are several times where both of them
make it exceedingly clear that they are outsiders looking in. They dont know how a
feminist would respond to their questions and assert a false one instead. The straw
feminist, of course, fails to provide any adequate response.
Sargons quick and smug delivery from his videos is absent here, where he
has been forced to think on his feet. It suits him a lot better and is a lot easier to
follow than the videos Ive seen of him. I dont think he had anything particularly
insightful to say, though. It was all pretty standard left-libertarian stuff that comes
up all the time in these sort of internet arguments and I was already familiar with
most everything that he was talking about and had thought about it before. Almost
anything that wasnt basic was disagreeable.
Throughout the video, Sargon and Anthony posit real problems of male
spousal abuse, education systems, systemic poverty, political violence, and so on.
What they fail to adequately identify is the cause. Since they refuse to turn to any
social scientific fields for answers, their answers are crude and dont account for
things that academicians have been thinking about for a very long time now. They
are essentially allowing political ideas and emotional feelings about the way social
justice is being spoken about to affect their ability to see stronger answers to the
question than Sargon and Anthony are offering us.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B92GQhkVDiMuWmJzaU9wX2hhcGM/view
From another
This discussion pulls individualism vs collectivism into race eventually when Sargon begins discussing merit and affirmative action. Fantano says affirmative action is OK as a start to fixing race disparities, but then Sargon goes full individualism. Sargon then says we should not try and level the playing field at all(in a collective sense) due to it being a slippery slope leading to tyranny. Fantano concedes completely after Sargon lures Fantano in with a "helping the inner city kids", dodges around the ethics, and says trying to level the playing field is tyranny.
https://www.reddit.com/r/Destiny/comments/6lijl2/anthony_fantanos_podcast_with_sargon_breakdown/
Like I said he may be liberal, but he's no ally to social justice.