I definitely want them working on a Nintendo IP but I hope for a new revival much like LM2 was. I think Pilot Wings deserves another revival attempt or even another Punch Out but I imagine Nintendo doesn't want to play with those cultural stereotypes again.
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Nintendo First-Party Thread: The Teams, The Games, The Future
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I definitely want them working on a Nintendo IP but I hope for a new revival much like LM2 was. I think Pilot Wings deserves another revival attempt or even another Punch Out but I imagine Nintendo doesn't want to play with those cultural stereotypes again.
I wonder if they're the team working on Metroid Prime 4 (unless maybe Nintendo has MercurySteam working on it).
ItWasMeantToBe19
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Mercury Steam's Metroid Prime 4 was changed wildly after Nintendo declined their pitch and the game was made into Raiders of the Broken Planet which was just released for PC. It's not Mercury Steam, but it probably is Next Level.
He said something like "game everyone will try to find out by reading my lips". Reggie's a master troll
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TaiQcqR8vps&feature=youtu.be&t=36m36s
TheSpaceBetween
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I hope they are as Dark Moon is a top 3 3DS game for me, but I have doubts. By your logic they should have gotten right to work on LM3 right after it was clear DM was a hit. I think there is a very good chance that they are behind Prime 4.
Next Level is the same size as Retro Studios though, so its not inconceivable.
TheDinoman
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That's what I've been hoping for.
The lack of a consistent team is a problem Metroid has had as a series since the disbanding of R&D1 and Retro Studios moving on. Series like Animal Crossing, Mario (both 3D and 2D), and Zelda all have their own dedicated development teams within EPD who can reliably back them up with new games, while Metroid has to keep being outsourced to third party companies like Team Ninja, Next Level Games, and MercurySteam.
TheMoon
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it still makes absolutely zero sense to be an EPD team. that hasn't changed since E3.
But... It does?
R&D1 basically became SPD1 (now EPD7), which continued to handle the production of the 2D Metroid series to this day. Development outsourcing doesn't change the fact that the series is managed by a specific group. The Mario and Zelda teams also outsource smaller games while still running production for all games in the series. (And like it or not, Metroid is SPD1/EPD7's smaller series.)
Metroid Prime was always handled as a different series production-wise, and by different people.
TheMoon
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all of this is completely normal and has been always. they got Kirby lined up, Yoshi is probably ready for Q1 as well. they could drop a DKCR+TF DX package out of the sky any time, too. third parties are filling the schedule as well. this isn't wii u anymore where they had to rock the party on their own.
Jubenhimer
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Yeah. In fact, 2018 is a big question mark as a whole. So far, the only games confirmed are Yoshi, Kirby: Star Allies, and Fire Emblem. Pokemon could make 2018, but I don't think we're seeing Prime 4 until 2019 at the latest. I'm gonna go on a limb and say we won't be see many established Nintendo properties on Switch next year. 2017 was mainly focused on building a stable user-base as fast as possible with big Nintendo releases like Mario Odyssey, and Splatoon 2. I think Nintendo will instead take a more experimental approach for 2018 and focus on a batch of New IP. Shinya Takahashi did say they were working on one new IP after another for the Switch, specifically those that use take advantage of the Joy-Con. Considering Nintendo has some of the most eclectic and imaginative developers in the industry, we can expect some crazy shit if that's the case.
2 cute side scrolling platformers is not gonna be enough. I hope they have something bigger to announce soon.
randomscribbles
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They seem to be holding back all big announcements until the holiday push is done, but I would be shocked if they don't have several more cards up their sleeve. I have a sneaking suspicion (based on nothing) that there will be a direct in January that announces HD ports of both a Windwaker/Twilight Princess collection and Mario Galaxy 1&2, both coming out in Q1-2, both initially priced at $60 each. Then come holiday 2018, Nintendo pairs them with BOTW and Odyssey for two themed system bundles that would be super high demand, while using all old games.
I think the "big game of the year" will be something among AC, 2D Mario, or Pokemon--games that bring in the wider audience.
I'd be surprised if none of those titles hit next year. They've got so many of their big evergreen titles under their belt, with a focus towards their core audience. I'd imagine they'd want to get more of those out sooner rather than later that draw in a more casual audience. (They've already got Mario Kart, at least).
I wouldn't be surprised if they had some experimental games, but I doubt those would be at the exclusion of established franchises, especially when they have some that could be quite important to the device still to release.
I think they still have clear work to do to get the Switch on the maximal path to success.
Jubenhimer
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Well yeah, I don't expect a year with Nintendo completely relying on New IP with nothing else from the established brands. I just think there won't be a huge amount of established Nintendo IP in 2018 compared to 2017. Yoshi and Kirby look far enough for them to be early 2018 games, and I think Nintendo can get away with having just Pokemon be it's big 2018 game, assuming it can make that date. And who knows, any of the possibly 5 or so new IP Nintendo may introduce could turn out to be a surprise smash success as well. Nintendo seems to have a knack for creating sleeper hits (Nintendogs, Brain Age, Splatoon, etc.)
Dark Cloud
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https://mobile.twitter.com/RetroStudios/status/915386404498235393
Retro tweeted about Halloween season! They must be working on Eternal Darkness.
No, but for real some guy there thinks he cracked the code and thinks Retro is working on a Mother game 😂
Retro tweeted about Halloween season! They must be working on Eternal Darkness.
No, but for real some guy there thinks he cracked the code and thinks Retro is working on a Mother game 😂
FloweryMarston
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they always tweet about halloween
They likely have Fire Emblem, Animal Crossing, Luigi's Mansion and possibly Smash next comming in 2018 thats a lot of heavy hitters. Especially with a potential NewIP from retro rumored to be due holiday 2018
It also leaves 2019 in a pretty good position with Pokemon, Donkey Kong and Mario Party (and maybe Bayonetta 3?????) Good to go.
Jubenhimer
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I don't expect Luigi's Mansion of any sort for the Switch. At least, not yet. Fire Emblem's been confirmed, and Animal Crossing could be likely. But I'm honestly starting to doubt the possibility of Smash 4 port at this point. And any New Smash game is not coming as soon as 2018 let's be honest. So that just leaves Fire Emblem and Animal Crossing to join Yoshi and Kirby. Pikmin could come as well, but maybe as a holiday title. I still believe 2018 will largely be focused on New IP TBH. It just feels like too many blank spots for Nintendo to leave, especially if the plan on going all in on the Switch. Not every year has to be focused on established IP from Nintendo.
Luigi's Mansion 2 Dark Moon has sold over 5M copies world wide. A sequel is definitely comming.
If Smash isn't 2018 (I still think it will be a deluxe version of Smash 4. Just no reason to release it this year with the switch sold out) Then its possible that a tomodaci life (almost 5M) or a Wii Party/Wii Party U sequel will be in the works as the latter sold 1.7M copies on WiiU (The Wii version was significantly more successful)
Jubenhimer
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A sequel to Luigi's Mansion could come, never said it wouldn't happen. But I doubt it be so soon. 2019 at the earliest is when I'd expect it. I wouldn't go assuming Nintendo will just make sequels to everything for next year just because they sold well. I'm still betting on 2018 being primarily focused on new original ideas.
For sure. I think the next few years will be similar to this year. 4 big hitters (Mario, Mario Kart, Zelda, Splatoon) a few mid tier sequels/ports done on the cheap (Lego City, Pokken, Xenoblade 2, Mario + Rabbids, FE Warriors) then a few new IP
Dark Cloud
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I know.
Jubenhimer
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I personally don't think it'll be that predictable. I think Nintendo feels they lost their way in the Wii U era by playing it too safe. I feel they really want to step out of that box more, which is why I feel 2018 will be mostly focused on New IP with some sure sellers sprinkled in (Yoshi, Kirby, Fire Emblem). It would also explain why Nintendo's is getting most of it's biggest titles out of the way within the first year, and with the 3DS at death's door, I feel we're going to see some really crazy stuff from Nintendo next year. Similar to their DS era of experimentation, but more refined and at a quicker pace.
Yeah I think they are really pushing for new experiences. If you look at the 2017 lineup, even their established brands feel completely different.
Zelda, Mario are completely re invented. Arms ,Snipperclips and Splatoon new ips (Splatoon being an experiment on Wii u but due to limited installbase I think its fair to say its new). Mariokart and Pokken being minimum effort, maximum return fillers and they are giving Xenoblade the big push it deserves for the first time. I expect to see a similar balance in 2018. 2 or 3 new ips and also a couple of reinvented brands and some DX fillers like tropical freeze and smash dx.
TheMoon
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again ...we go through this every year^^
this is normal ...pls stop panicking when they don't roll out a release calendar a year in advance.
SinCityAssassin
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What if the Nintendo 2018 line has no fucking towns or NPCs????
TheMoon
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and only 4 worlds with 50 moons!
Not75Drops
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Tanabe has stuck to handling external projects since Prime 1. Instead of doing the safe option and making Luigi's Mansion 3, Tanabe chose Next Level Games to develop Federation Force, which includes a post-credits cutscene.
Now Nintendo is being vague on who exactly is developing Prime 4.
Despite a rocky start, it looks like Nintendo has been trying to get Metroid back on track for quite some time now, while letting Retro do their own thing. They're fully aware of the FF backlash, so maybe they don't want to announce NLG as the developer until they have something really good to show off.
Speaking of new IPs and playing it safe, I agree with Shikamaru Ninja's earlier post where each of the main groups is being encouraged to make a new IP on top of continuing franchises. Splatoon likely kicked the whole idea off and we've already seen it with ARMS from Yabuki's group. From Aonuma's comments, we could be getting a game based on a thief.
Now Nintendo is being vague on who exactly is developing Prime 4.
Despite a rocky start, it looks like Nintendo has been trying to get Metroid back on track for quite some time now, while letting Retro do their own thing. They're fully aware of the FF backlash, so maybe they don't want to announce NLG as the developer until they have something really good to show off.
Speaking of new IPs and playing it safe, I agree with Shikamaru Ninja's earlier post where each of the main groups is being encouraged to make a new IP on top of continuing franchises. Splatoon likely kicked the whole idea off and we've already seen it with ARMS from Yabuki's group. From Aonuma's comments, we could be getting a game based on a thief.
Shikamaru Ninja
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Next year should be interesting for Metroid. Do we get a Sakamoto sequel to Samus Returns and / or Metroid Prime Trilogy HD?
I can't see how MP4 isn't 2019. Which is fine by me if we got 1 or 2 of the above.
Is there anything in particular that makes you think we'll get something Metroid-related in 2018?
Dark Cloud
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I hope. No mission structure this time please!
That works for me too. This would be second to LM3.
One day Pilot Wings will return. They have Punch Out too. I don't think NLG is capable of working on multiple games at once. I wished they were a little bigger.
I can't ever imagine Mercury Steam working on MP4. NLG could be working on, but the more I think about it I really don't want them too. I want to see some other games from them.
I wouldn't be surprised if MP4 is being made by some third party company that Nintendo liked or approached Nintendo about MP4 just like Mercury Steam did.
There's also Animal Crossing, 2D Mario, & Smash that could potentially carry 2018 as far as established franchises go. While Pokémon coming out next year is possible, I'm not so sure if it's likely.
I hope Nintendo does find a new, sleeper hit for Switch. I just doubt that such will be the lynch-pin in their software strategy. Rather, they will probably have known quantities in their schedule intended to do the heavy lifting for the system.
If Switch gets its Nintendogs and takes off like the DS did...that's wonderful and something Nintendo should try and bring about. But it also isn't something they should rely on.
I'm thinking that AC, Pokemon, and 2D Mario will all be either 2018 or 2019, with at least one showing up in 2018 to be the central install base pushing thrust of the year, with an eye on wider audience Nintendo consumers.
I think we will get a November direct. The big Nintendo Q4 titles launch in October and December. A November direct to pump the hype for BotW expansion, promote the three big third party games (Skyrim, LA:N, Doom) and make some solid Q1 announcements makes sense.
I expect Nintendo's Q1 to be Kirby + some sort of Smash Bros to launch the online service. I dunno if that's Smash for NX Deluxe, HD Melee or some sort of collection, but I don't think it'll be a full on Smash 5.
I expect Nintendo's Q1 to be Kirby + some sort of Smash Bros to launch the online service. I dunno if that's Smash for NX Deluxe, HD Melee or some sort of collection, but I don't think it'll be a full on Smash 5.
Jubenhimer
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As for who's developing Metroid Prime 4, call me crazy, but I want to say Nintendo Software Technology. They already have experience with the series developing Metroid Prime Hunters on the DS, so it'd be interesting if they were the developers behind it. Then again, NST also got into a lot of trouble with Nintendo over sloppy and chaotic development of Project H.A.M.M.E.R., and were thus punished by being put on Mario vs. Donkey Kong games. But perhaps they might have learned their lesson and earned Nintendo's trust back.
TheMoon
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You have to look who's actually left from the team that made hunters. Can't just look at the company name and go "they have experience with X." The lead designer/story writer, for example, is at Gunfire games not working on Darksiders 3.
That's not so much about "learning their lesson," it was probably more mismanagement or something like that. I don't have the Unseen64 thing fresh in my mind. A lot of people from those days left (as is normal). The Mario vs DK lead designer also left recently, for example. As Shikamaru keeps saying, they have been entrusted with slightly bigger projects recently (bringing Mario Maker to 3DS after developing the Nintendo Web Framework, assisting SFB Games with Snipperclips). But I don't see them viable as the lead studio for Prime 4 given their presumed size. They'd have to collaborate with yet another team somewhere again.
I want Nintendo to turn NST into the Nintendo Sports division and reboot Wave Race & 1080. Give us a golf game.
Dark Cloud
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I really hope we get a new Golden Sun game one day. I want an HD Golden Sun so bad!
Aldric
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Wonder if there's a chance for a new Kid Icarus. Uprising wasn't exactly a flop but l don't know if they were satisfied with the sales as they must have spent quite a bit of money promoting the game with the animated shorts. l'm not sure who could be developing it too as Sakurai isn't interested. Maybe Platinum?
Jubenhimer
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One thing I actually want to see Nintendo dabble more of in is "Mature Casual games". That is, single player games aimed at casual gamers that don't necessarily fit the family-friendly party game template. Stuff like Hotel Dusk, Ghost Trick, and Phoenix Wright are examples of what I'm getting at.
Dark Cloud
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It really depends if anyone wants to do it. I think Kamiya wanted to do a Takamaru Ninja game. I'd think it'd be really cool to see what he came up with in today's age.
OrbitalBeard
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Sounds like you want visual novels. I'd like to see 'em on Switch as well.
Jubenhimer
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Not necessarily Visual novels, but simple games geared towards young adults who aren't hardcore gamers.
SuperBlank
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I feel you. I hope Nintendo gives Camelot another shot in between sports games. 2/3 titles in the series have performed well, seems a bit unfair to not give them at least one more chance.
Though the budget would be higher than in the past given it'd be for Switch over a pure portable.
Kid Icarus is a weird IP. It bounced around in development hell before being canned twice during it's dormancy, once on the SNES and once on the Wii, always gets insane marketing pushes when it's actually kicking, and both Nintendo and it's own fandom seem more or less to legitimately enjoy it but be extremely apathetic as to what actually happens to it.
I think I've heard both Platinum and Retro namedropped during random internet gossip that who knows who started. Kid Icarus is that one franchise that normally only really gets brought up when people have absolutely no idea what a wildcard dev is working on.
A sequel being announced would certainly be the highlight of the Switch lineup for me, though. . .mostly because I feel like every other game I want is either already out or inevitable.