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Super Mario Odyssey - 10/10 from Edge
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Uno Venova
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Pre-odered from Amazon and the day is requested off from work. I'm officially ready. My little niece is dying to play it but she's gonna have to wait in line, lol.
Polygonal_Sprite
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Do they take the money straight away or wait to send the code the night it releases and charge you then?
Dark Cloud
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It'd be the first 11/10 in video game history.
Phoenix RISING
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A review is not a rubric, but a format. It is a persuasive essay.
If you adhere to the Roger Ebert school of "video games are not art," then I could not disagree more strongly.
I mean, if what you want from a review is only a score, and not the actual narration that justifies the score, then I agree, there is no value to the review. However, you do go into a game expecting certain things from it depending on its genre, and how it accomplishes this, from revolutionizing from simply deriving, is how it will ear said score.
As I have said, a puzzle game would not receive a story score. I have also already said that one should consider that many review outlets already use a rubric. I've just revealed mine to scrutiny...which is why said outlets oftentimes don't.
Visualante2
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I did expect that other outlets would question Edge's relationship with Nintendo. They've had incredible access this year.. above and beyond what they'd normally get. But I think that may be Nintendo UK filling the void left by Official Nintendo Magazine (who would normally get the exclusive print review).
Bill R Boggess
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There's really no need for salt when a game like BOTW is released.
That game is fantastic and I'm thinking Mario will probably occupy a similar tier of quality, albeit in a different genre.
People should celebrate quality, not mourn it.
Spyder_Monkey
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JFC really? Are you intentionally being this dense?
The first post you quoted has some merit because if you look at shit like "If it was called Belda" and other ridiculous nonsense then there obviously are people who can't handle these games reviewing well. You don't see any of this shit on gaming franchises not related to Nintendo.
Nintendo was almost nonexistent the last 5 or 6 years or even longer when it comes to the bigger picture, and those game series come across as rehashing if you didn't play more than one of them, so people mistake 3D Mario and Zelda games with something like Assasins Creed or CoD and wonder why people go crazy about them.
The second point you quoted is just an opinion. And going by actual quality of the games series and their reception over the last 30 years he has something to support his opinion. Whats wrong about that? You saying you don't like the weapon breaking in BotW and someone else saying that he think's it's integral to keep the player going and making each weapon valuable (or just:"you're wrong imo") is just differing opinions, not you being reasonable and the other being a fanboy.
Yeah there still seems to be a bug though, because what shows up in your quoted message is what I actually wanted to write haha. Thanks though!
LordOcidax
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Agree with you, that's why i love the Nintendo philosophy on making games. But for some people its all just about nostalgia and bias...And the worst part, some of them doesnt even have a Nintendo system.
I think that is obvious that main Mario games doesn't need that. You have plenty of games doing that...
family_guy
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On the flip side, you probably won't see anyone DoS attack a person's website if they gave Horizon a poor score, but you saw it with Zelda. There's also those people who couldn't handle that 8.8 score years ago.
Jonneh3003
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YouTube advertising seems pretty strong. The other day I got the full musical ad before a video and earlier today my home page was telling me when the game is releasing and suggested Odyssey related videos. Not seen that before on YT!
So why would a game about platforming?
There also were people going apeshit over that 6 score for Horizon and there was something with Uncharted 4 as well and oh god the No Mans Sky people... Jason Schreier received death threats because he found out that game got delayed...Popular games have a huge audience, and the bigger the audience the more nutters you have in them.
I still think the DoS attack on Jim was actually just a massive horde of people giving him klicks tbh. It's a small site and that score stirred up a huge (unnessecary) controversy. If there was some idiot doing a DoS attack he didn't have to do much. Don't remember if he received death threats, but the 8.8 guy back then did if I recall correctly. There are shitheads everywhere, it's not exclusive to some platform.
CaviarMeths
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If you think no game deserves a 10, then you're using a 9 point scale. And 9/9 is the same as 10/10.
10 does not mean perfect.
I think this is the issue people have with many Nintendo fans. Its not enough that Nintendo make great games. We also have to put down all the other game developers that actually make incredible games.
I fully believe that Nintendo are the best games developer there is. But the idea that no one else comes close is insulting to all those other games developers that makes games just as good (albeit nowhere near as many).
Most franchises peak with the 2nd game and don't know how to innovate or change past the 2nd game. Usually they just keep amping up the elements of the game that made it successful (Megaman is a perfect example of this).
It is amazing how Nintendo keeps hitting homeruns with these two franchises more than 30 years after they first hit the scene.
Dark Cloud
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YouTube advertising seems pretty strong. The other day I got the full musical ad before a video and earlier today my home page was telling me when the game is releasing and suggested Odyssey related videos. Not seen that before on YT!
This game is ready to take money from millions of wallets! I just want a lot of kids to play this game and let it be the Mario 64 for them.
I think this is the problem with people thinking like this.
I don't like storylines that you can't control and exist out of 1000 scenes. I believe a perfect score depends on what the game has to offer you in experience. You have to create your story while playing the game,that makes the game memorable.
If I want to watch a story, I'll prefer to watch a movie or reading a book.
Game score shouldn't be based on story or how realistic it is. It should be on game design, gameplay, music and art. I believe this mario game will nail this.
Throwaway123456789
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Raven117
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I don't know what you are trying to tell me.
Of course it is all opinion. All of this is opinion. Unless there are technical issues with the game (ie, it doesn't run), then all of it comes down to preference. The issue ive always had with all fanboys is that they wont discuss design decisions that impact one players enjoyment of a game. Or even worse, give some games a pass on some issues while other games aren't afforded that same pass.
I love Witcher 3. Best game to come out in many years. It has below average combat.
I love Bloodborne (and all Souls), the obtuse nature is a design choice that is not for everyone. It can be hated or loved.
In any event, even this discussion is arbitrary. Im looking forward to picking up Mario when it comes out. I have never actually owned a 3d Mario game. (I was a ps1 guy, couldn't afford two consoles).
Skittzo0413
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I really don't want to drag this thread back to the BotW score debate but I just have to say I hate the use of the term "flawed" to describe your opinion on a game. The consensus seems to clearly show that BotW was not enormously flawed, you just didn't like a lot of what it did, which is perfectly fine and understandable.
Boy Wander
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I'd love to know which games you think are not limited if you think BOTW is enormously so.
You're both wrong!
Stories aren't the sole realm of books and films. In fact games are often way better at telling stories because you're personally more engaged with the character you're playing as.
But at the same time video games can act as a proxy for a playground. You don't have a storyline when playing football, or chess. Why would you in a game.
Both are great uses of the medium, and not necessarily independently. Blending the two also works. But sometimes one can hurt the other. And that would absolutely happen with Mario.
You really can't just let him have his opinion can you?
I would be surprised if he actually answers you.
I can understand ranking a RPG with a huge focus on story, but a 3d platformer? It is like saying Tetris sux because it has no cutscenes or text telling the lore.
In the same way that you can't lower the score of a visual novel because of its jump physics
paragonpro
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This review is tearing us apart lisa. Were all gonna feel pretty silly when it gets more tens
I would love it so much if it got an even more perfect score than BotW. Not because I want Mario to do well, I just love the idea that this is such a good time for gaming.
Caphead
Jonneh3003
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Why only Nintendo 10/10s?
Super Mario Odyssey |OT| My Cap Runneth Over
System is 400$CAD, game is 80$CAD and case's value is 20$CAD... So 500$CAD which is the price point of the bundle.
Godzilla's Left Toe
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Holy shit post.
I liked BOTW and thought it was gorgeous, but it fell short of the promise it laid out in its opening hours. The world is oversized without nearly enough meaningful things to find or do, and a severe lack of bosses and dungeons and a general lack of enemy variety (as well as other things like terrible combat and no real story and the worst finale I've ever experienced in a game). I'm sure some of you disagree with that statement but I don't want to pollute this thread with a back and forth, so if you want to know what my reasoning is for thinking it's flawed -- that's my reasoning. If reviewing it I'd give it a 7/10.
I think it's possible reviewers have a special affection for Nintendo and approach their flagship games with something of a bias. I'm not sure how else to reconcile some of these scores. I'm sure Mario will be fun, but I'm not going to amp my hype levels up higher just because it got a 10, especially after my experience with BOTW.
We're here to discuss a review score for a game we haven't played, right? What of substance can we comment on over a review score of a game we haven't played other than how and whether we assign meaning to it?
Erik Kain is a gamergater and no better than a collaborator to misogynists and neo nazis. No wonder hes peddling some conspiracy bullshit again.
No one should give his trash journalism the time of day.
ThisIsMyDogKyle
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Why the hell do some of you people keep bringing up BotW? we get it, you didn't like BotW, we also got it the last 20 times you told us in completely unrelated threads.
Because the last game Edge gave a 10 to was BotW. How is it not relevant?
Dark Cloud
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We're back to the gaming media being biased for Nintendo...😑😑😑😑
FloweryMarston
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it's jobbs
LordOcidax
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Skittzo0413
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I'm pretty sure you didn't read my post. I'm saying his opinion is fine and he's welcome to it, but calling something flat-out "flawed" is not a statement of opinion, rather it's a statement of fact. I'm literally just nitpicking the word he used (and many others tend to use erroneously).
Your opinion is perfectly fine, and I totally get it and appreciate it.
But just because you personally found that the game has these faults does not mean the game is "flawed". What's more likely, that 69 separate review outlets had enough of a Nintendo bias to rate the game 10/10, or that the game didn't resonate as well for you as it did for other people?
Again, I hate to derail this to specifically talk about BotW, but I think this is an important discussion regarding how people view reviews with bias based on their own experiences. It's very reasonable and understandable that not every game is for you (the collective you), and there's nothing wrong with admitting that a game might be 10/10 worthy for many people but not you.
Damn! Edge still don't see flaws in a new Nintendo games.
No its a statement of opinion. Like 95% of posts on neogaf. We don't need to preface everything we say as "in my opinion" when it's clearly their opinion.
You just want everyone to say "I don't like it personally but I accept that it is objectively a masterpiece".
Eh, but that's not really true though. It does have a very small amount of levels that have open parts, but they are still nothing like 64. They only serve as a step in a linear path that you chose before you start the level where you at most complete a single objective like collecting 5 things. Even 3D World has levels that function the same way, such as Mount Beanpole, Sunshine Seas, Sprawling Savannah, and Peppa's Fog Bog. Even 3D Land does it with levels like this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Un1jgJVEYE
3D World's green stars already work like 64. You need certain amounts of them to unlock gates so that you can move forward. Structured "stars" were still in the game but took the form of flagpoles, since there's no real difference between most of Galaxy's stars and flagpoles. You have to hit the flagpole to move on to the next stage and save the stars you collected. With Odyssey you save the moons as soon as you get them, which makes easy moons easier since you don't have to worry about beating a stage to save them
Don't get me wrong. I'm not saying this game doesn't deserve it! I'm super hyped for this game. The concept of removing power ups in favour of possessions is a significant mix up. I am on board this train and I ain't getting off.
I was just pointing out that it's relevant. I don't like fanboys trying to drown out negative opinions, whether I agree with them or not.
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