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[Cosmonaut X]

Why would he have to explain what´s happened between him and his former girlfriend to a Gaf mod ?
He broke up with the girl so i'm sure there was some bad blood between them afterwards .
This all doesn't make any sense to me and doesn't seem a healthy situation from all directions , it's almost like living in a cult .

He'd have to explain himself to the GAF mods as they were volunteers who managed his site for him, dealt with the day-to-day difficulties of that and took all the shit from users and ex-users here and on other platforms. A story about his private life going viral is going to affect how they do their job here and what kind of shit they'd have to deal with elsewhere.

If that explanation was lacking (the leaked version certainly seemed to be) and there was apparently no clear plan going forward (there certainly didn't seem to be) then I'm not surprised the mod team decided they weren't prepared to support him anymore. They'd been here not that long ago with the Amir0x situation where there was clear discomfort about the way Evilore responded to it and that they were obliged to close down all discussion/mention of it and copped the shit for it - it's not surprising that when faced with a situation that had the potential to be a repeat of that they all walked.

The focus on the ins and outs of what exactly happened between Evilore and Leupp misses - or handily obscures, depending on your viewpoint - the real issue: the mod team (and not all of them were some kind of "SJW Gestapo") were deeply uncomfortable with the way they were being asked to moderate the site and had clearly lost trust in Evilore over this and other issues. It's easy to paint a whole group of moderators as kneejerk lefties who dumped Evilore on the back of a single Facebook post, but it misses the history and context and does people who spent a huge amount of time making sure this site worked the way Evilore wanted it to run a massive disservice.

 

[CaseyTappy]

That makes sense , so in the end he was just as bad and now got a bit of his own medicine.
Looks to me this place turned into grandma's knitting and gossip forum the last years with people forming opposing groups, introducing thought police and inquisition instead of focus on gaming .

 

[Stiflers Mom]

That girl must be really proud of herself, that she destroyed this community and probably his life.

 

[Maximo]

That girl must be really proud of herself, that she destroyed this community and probably his life.

Lol........wut.

 

[LordRaptor]

That girl must be really proud of herself, that she destroyed this community and probably his life.

"That girl" was speaking in a private fucking conversation on facebook with people she thought she could trust, then some dick with beef decided to publicise it for her and now she has fucking articles trawling through her sexual history as 'background' for a story about a fucking videogames forum.

Whether what she claims is what happened or not, she is the only actual fucking victim in this whole mess

 

[DrWong]

Lol........wut.

Look at this place becoming a shit hole.

 

[Subpar Scrub]

That girl must be really proud of herself, that she destroyed this community and probably his life.

She wouldn't have done it if Evilore hadn't done what he did. Consider that?

 

[PJV3]

Look at this place becoming a shit hole.

That's down to the owner going all Rupert Murdoch instead of letting the place deal with it earlier

 

[Caayn]

That girl must be really proud of herself, that she destroyed this community and probably his life.

I doubt that that's what she thought of when she posted the "metoo" post.

 

[Sotha Sil]

That girl must be really proud of herself, that she destroyed this community and probably his life.

thumbs up if this made u cry

 

[CaseyTappy]

I'm pretty sure she didn't knew that she handed out ammo when posting that story .

 

[Bert]

Calling out others for doing "mental gymnastics" as you make an analogy that makes zero sense is laughable.

To correct you, yes, exposing myself to a another person male or female that I have no sexual interaction with is wrong and a crime. Being piss drunk with a girl in a hotel room after already having sex previously and being naked in front of her is NOT a crime.

I sincerely hope this doesnt need to be explained further. I mean hell I have been married for 5 years and sometimes I walk around naked and my wife will tell me to get dressed, guess im a sex offender now...hmmm.

So many of these comments seem to be from people that have never had a normal human interaction with the opposite sex.

Still pissed that a site I’ve visited daily for over a decade has seemingly gone down the shitter over something so unrelated to the site.

 

[Neece]

That girl must be really proud of herself, that she destroyed this community and probably his life.

She probably feels really shitty, with people discussing her sexual history, questioning if she has a mental illness, and hundreds (thousands?) of people like yourself saying she is to blame for a video game forum collapsing.

But feel free to insist she must feel super great about all of that.

 

[geordiemp]

I'm pretty sure she didn't knew that she handed out ammo when posting that story .

lol - anything you post on social media has a chance to go public - if you wanted to discuss anything sensitive with a genuine friend you phone them.

Nobody on the internet that you dont actually speak to is really your friend.

 

[HariKari]

I'm pretty sure she didn't knew that she handed out ammo when posting that story .

In the article it says she didn't want it to spread like this. Guess others decided for her.

 

[CaviarMeths]

I'm pretty sure she didn't knew that she handed out ammo when posting that story .

Correct. She says right in the article that she didn't intend for the post to viral and has expressed regret that it's affected EL's reputation.

For someone who is "a deeply disturbed, malicious individual" and "increasingly hostile and bitter," she seems to be holding up pretty well.

 

[CaseyTappy]

lol - anything you post on social media has a chance to go public - if you wanted to discuss anything sensitive with a genuine friend you phone them.

Nobody on the internet that you dont actually speak to is really your friend.

I think the whole purpose of the #Metoo discussion was about publicly speaking out .

 

[Kimawolf]

That girl must be really proud of herself, that she destroyed this community and probably his life.

She did nothing. A horrible "friend" weaponised her story for a hit piece. Yeah now she is in the midst of huge amounts of folks digging into her sex life and probably had to shut down her fb/twitter etc.

A shame all around.

 

[eso76]

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Wow....just wow

just wow what ?
Of course if she said she's sick and going to throw up i will leave her alone. Or offer help, which in these cases means leaving her alone anyway.
But if it's a person close enough to be on a road trip with me, sleeping together and drinking says she's going to take a shower leaving the door open (open as in open, not 'unlocked', because i sure wouldn't go and check if the door is closed) ?

I wouldn't show up naked, that's for sure.
That just calls for an 80s sexy comedy shaming gag.

 

[sneas78]

It's more common than you think.

Which is exactly what can happen .. and people should really give it more thought. You have a girlfriend or boyfriend .. you go out with Someone.. “ let’s get drunk”. Let’s go to a hotel room alone.. what can possibly go wrong .. wtf. People never learn.

 

[Agent Gibbs]

Because the NeoGAF community got wind of Ima Leupp's 'MeToo' post about Evilore's rather inappropriate interactions with her in a shower and wants an explanation from Evilore and/or the mods.

Because the NeoGAF mods dont know what to say to the NeoGAF community regarding that issue and - again im just hearing this from second hand sources and not the actual mods - were instructed by Evilore to snuff it out. After Evilore's previous 'kill order' on any NeoGAF discussions regarding Amir0x's pedophilia allegations which was very unpopular with the GAF mods, they stood their ground and demand an explanation. And they received that rather pathetic explanation that i spoilerfied in my previous post. The former NeoGAF mods gave Evilore the finger and left. And now we are in this sad state of affairs.

He'd have to explain himself to the GAF mods as they were volunteers who managed his site for him, dealt with the day-to-day difficulties of that and took all the shit from users and ex-users here and on other platforms. A story about his private life going viral is going to affect how they do their job here and what kind of shit they'd have to deal with elsewhere.

If that explanation was lacking (the leaked version certainly seemed to be) and there was apparently no clear plan going forward (there certainly didn't seem to be) then I'm not surprised the mod team decided they weren't prepared to support him anymore. They'd been here not that long ago with the Amir0x situation where there was clear discomfort about the way Evilore responded to it and that they were obliged to close down all discussion/mention of it and copped the shit for it - it's not surprising that when faced with a situation that had the potential to be a repeat of that they all walked.

The focus on the ins and outs of what exactly happened between Evilore and Leupp misses - or handily obscures, depending on your viewpoint - the real issue: the mod team (and not all of them were some kind of "SJW Gestapo") were deeply uncomfortable with the way they were being asked to moderate the site and had clearly lost trust in Evilore over this and other issues. It's easy to paint a whole group of moderators as kneejerk lefties who dumped Evilore on the back of a single Facebook post, but it misses the history and context and does people who spent a huge amount of time making sure this site worked the way Evilore wanted it to run a massive disservice.

This is the context a lot of people need to understand, regardless of if you want to give Evilore a chance or not, the censorship requested to snuff out the topics would never be the right call, it sparks interest in the subject it gets out of control and ends up blowing up worse.....and this has! The whole Amir0X situation was bad enough, you had to effectively lurk posts about it and watch sacrificial burn accounts bring the issue up to get anything on that, can you imagine something like that on this 'grander' scale?

The situation could have been handled better regardless of guilt and even Evilore has said this, but nobody can fault a mod team who no longer trusted their leader or agreed with his actions from leaving, that's surely best no matter which side people fall

 

[sneas78]

That’s not what strawman means. The point is the alleged shower incident stands on its own. Her having sex with him later doesn’t affect how suspect that was or wasn’t.

Uhhh “ stands on its own” If that shower incident stood on its own.. why didn’t she say anything then? So they had sex and later after that .. she brings up the shower thing that it was creepy? If she found him creepy why did she get with him? Makes no sense.

When I find someone creepy I run the fuck away from them .. and as far as I can.. wouldn’t you?

 

[Sygma]

That girl must be really proud of herself, that she destroyed this community and probably his life.

you should really eat your own dick

both the girl and evilore are pathetic human beings

 

[sneas78]

you should really eat your own dick

both the girl and evilore are pathetic human beings

What should I do if I believe both are destroyed?

 

[Dunlop]

That girl must be really proud of herself, that she destroyed this community and probably his life.

Yeah poor mulimillionaire revenge porn spreading Evilore.

However will he recover from this?

 

[Sygma]

What should I do if I believe both are destroyed?

that is a very interesting question which i do not have an answer for, sadly

 

[Heavy's Sandvich]

Uhhh “ stands on its own” If that shower incident stood on its own.. why didn’t she say anything then? So they had sex and later after that .. she brings up the shower thing that it was creepy? If she found him creepy why did she get with him? Makes no sense.

When I find someone creepy I run the fuck away from them .. and as far as I can.. wouldn’t you?

Just to address this nonsense especially the last point.

What happens if you didn't have any money?
Or were in a strange city?
Or it was really late at night?
Or you were inebriated?

Imagine being a lady in that scenario.

Are you that sure you'd respond like that?

 

[FunkyMonk]

Which is exactly what can happen .. and people should really give it more thought. You have a girlfriend or boyfriend .. you go out with Someone.. “ let’s get drunk”. Let’s go to a hotel room alone.. what can possibly go wrong .. wtf. People never learn.

Ffs I'm getting sick of folk not bothering to actually read the article in the OP. They were on a road trip, they didn't just get smashed and decided to get a room. You don't even need to read the full article, it's right there in the first few paragraphs.

 

[DrKelpo]

If she found him creepy why did she get with him? Makes no sense.
When I find someone creepy I run the fuck away from them .. and as far as I can.. wouldn’t you?

to quote myself from earlier

The shower situation happens.
They talk about it, she says it wasn't okay.
She says it was probably the alcohol and that she still has no real reason not to trust him, because they're friends.
Date and sex happens later.
Some time later this other party happens where she says he acted rapey on that other girl.
and so on.

why is it so hard to understand that it was a creepy situation but didn't necessarily lead to her breaking off all contact.

 

[Dude Abides]

Uhhh “ stands on its own” If that shower incident stood on its own.. why didn’t she say anything then? So they had sex and later after that .. she brings up the shower thing that it was creepy? If she found him creepy why did she get with him? Makes no sense.

When I find someone creepy I run the fuck away from them .. and as far as I can.. wouldn’t you?

Uhhhhh she did say something. According to her she talked to him about it and he seemed to acknowledge it wasn’t cool.

Lot of people sure are experts about how other people should handle the aftermath of uncomfortable sexual encounters.

 

[petran79]

Correct. She says right in the article that she didn't intend for the post to viral and has expressed regret that it's affected EL's reputation.

For someone who is "a deeply disturbed, malicious individual" and "increasingly hostile and bitter," she seems to be holding up pretty well.

She escaped off very lightly. If instead of GAF it was a 4chan or Breitbart admin, he'd be praised right now

 

[Vagabundo]

Calling out others for doing "mental gymnastics" as you make an analogy that makes zero sense is laughable.

To correct you, yes, exposing myself to a another person male or female that I have no sexual interaction with is wrong and a crime. Being piss drunk with a girl in a hotel room after already having sex previously and being naked in front of her is NOT a crime.

I sincerely hope this doesnt need to be explained further. I mean hell I have been married for 5 years and sometimes I walk around naked and my wife will tell me to get dressed, guess im a sex offender now...hmmm.

Try catching up a little, chum. There was no relationship at that point except a friendship. EL decided to take it to the next level by exposing himself to her in the shower - while she was vomiting oh so romantic. Doing that actually is a crime; Sexual Misconduct, a misdemeanor in the US of A.

And I've no idea if you are a sex offender or not. Get a grip.

Uhhhhh she did say something. According to her she talked to him about it and he seemed to acknowledge it wasn't cool.

Lot of people sure are experts about how other people should handle the aftermath of uncomfortable sexual encounters.

They really are. Lost of sexperts around these parts since showergate.

 

[Vagabundo]

Speaking of mental gymnastics how are you comparing this to exposing yourself to strangers in public. I've changed in front of plenty of friends before and whew! No charges yet /s. The obvious Crux is what's agreed on.

Bully for you. I assume you had their permission or did just start taking your kit off? While naked with them did you suggest sex ?

Seriously, cop on.

One the one hand, you walk into a public changing area behind a woman you have never met , with your ding a ling flapping in the wind ..the woman screams and the popo take you away.

On the other hand you're in a hotel room with a woman you've been drinking and flirting with all night and you walk into the shower with your ding a ling flapping in the mist. she yells "get the fuck out dude!" you turn around and run back into the room and everything is awkward for the rest of the trip.

Exactly the same thing.

Jesus, I pity the part of the world you live in.

 

[Llyrwenne]

I wanted to just log out and never return here, but I must get some stuff off my chest first.

The statements put out by Malka are disturbing. Apparently, Malka believes that everything is everyone’s fault but his. The statement starts off with victim-blaming nonsense and his shifting of the blame onto the discussion of ‘political issues, and social issues on the off-topic side’ shows a disturbing lack of insight into why a large part of the community was here in the first place.

Malka’s handling of this entire situation and his subsequent reluctance to take any responsibility indicate to me that he has no business being in complete control of any community, regardless of whether the current accusations are true or not. I do not see this community moving ahead in a positive direction after his handling of this situation, and at this point it is too late for him to step down as the damage has already been done.

I must also say I find it extremely disturbing that so many here are jumping on the ‘just asking questions’ / victim-blame train and that this is going to be acceptable here from this point on because it is also the viewpoint of Malka, who fully controls the site and its moderation policies. With the ban on discussion of social issues and the acceptance of victim-blaming sentiments, this forum has become much less welcoming to the minorities and women who called this place home before. As time goes on and these policies start taking full effect, I expect the overall community / discussion to grow more toxic / hostile / ignorant towards minorities and women and the issues they face both inside and outside the gaming community.

I don’t want to be on what this forum has become or what it is turning into. I can’t in good conscience stay on this forum while Malka evades any responsibility and refuses to step down from his position of absolute power. NeoGAF is dead to me. Whatever this place becomes after all this, NeoGAF it won’t be.

Goodbye all, and I hope you all find a place that's right for you – even if for you that place is still right here.

 

[Pixieking]

One the one hand, you walk into a public changing area behind a woman you have never met , with your ding a ling flapping in the wind ..the woman screams and the popo take you away.

On the other hand you're in a hotel room with a woman you've been drinking and flirting with all night and you walk into the shower with your ding a ling flapping in the mist. she yells "get the fuck out dude!" you turn around and run back into the room and everything is awkward for the rest of the trip.

Exactly the same thing.

Yup, they're exactly the same thing in that the woman in the second example can choose to call the cops, and the woman in the first example can choose to ignore it.

Just think of the world where the woman in the second example goes to the cops, but they choose not to believe her. Or call her a slut. Or say she was asking for it. Or say "If only you'd closed the door properly when you were puking your guts up."

It's interesting that you're so close to being enlightened, and yet so far.

 

[ZeoVGM]

That girl must be really proud of herself, that she destroyed this community and probably his life.

My god.

 

[Iorv3th]

In the article it says she didn't want it to spread like this. Guess others decided for her.

Before it was a story a member here posted a topic about it in OT saying it was his sister and sharing the story here. But said he didn't want to name who it was until she posted it.


So people in OT were already riled up before knowing all the details.

 

[Royce McCutcheon]

Yup, they're exactly the same thing in that the woman in the second example can choose to call the cops, and the woman in the first example can choose to ignore it.

Just think of the world where the woman in the second example goes to the cops, but they choose not to believe her. Or call her a slut. Or say she was asking for it. Or say "If only you'd closed the door properly when you were puking your guts up."

It's interesting that you're so close to being enlightened, and yet so far.

Instead she chose the 3rd option and had sex with him.

 

[Pixieking]

Instead she chose the 3rd option and had sex with him.

The shower situation happens.
They talk about it, she says it wasn't okay.
She says it was probably the alcohol and that she still has no real reason not to trust him, because they're friends.
Date and sex happens later.
Some time later this other party happens where she says he acted rapey on that other girl.
and so on.

I seriously cannot phrase it better than DrKelpo. This is not a series of events over a week, this is a series of events over months/years.

 

[Vagabundo]

Instead she chose the 3rd option and had sex with him.

She talked it out, she believed he agreed that it was not on and she gave him a second chance. At some point at a later date she broke up with her bf and had sex with him.

Yes. And so what?

 

[Royce McCutcheon]

I seriously cannot phrase it better than DrKelpo. This is not a series of events over a week, this is a series of events over months/years.

Not only did she "forgive" him, but then aired their dirty laundry under an explosively popular hashtag and then say "I didn't mean for it to blow up" ok.

 

[Pixieking]

Not only did she "forgive" him, but then aired their dirty laundry under an explosively popular hashtag and then say "I didn't mean for it to blow up" ok.

Quite obviously you have your mind made up about the woman in question. Nothing that anyone can say will have any effect whatsoever. So why do you keep on trying to push your biased narrative on others who don't think like you?

 

[Noboru Wataya]

She talked it out, she believed he agreed that it was not on and she gave him a second chance. At some point at a later date she broke up with her bf and had sex with him.

Yes. And so what?

Where has she said this? I would like to read it.

 

[Royce McCutcheon]

Quite obviously you have your mind made up about the woman in question. Nothing that anyone can say will have any effect whatsoever. So why do you keep on trying to push your biased narrative on others who don't think like you?

Ha, I'm the biased one here? It's called context. You the one with tunnel vision that can't look past a single event and draw a conclusion based on the facts presented. Just cold stop right at the shower incident.

 

[Pixieking]

Ha, I'm the biased one here? It's called context. You the one with tunnel vision that can't look past a single event and draw a conclusion based on the facts presented.

And that there is where your bias kicks in. EL's specious statement, combined with the obvious reticence of the woman in the Waypoint article, shows that none of us have all the facts. Your bias says that the woman is in the wrong. Meanwhile, I am neutral about EL's guilt because we don't have all the facts, and am simply saying that Event A may or may not have had an effect on Event B, given that this occured over an extended period of time.

 

[DrKelpo]

Where has she said this? I would like to read it.

from the article

Leupp claimed the two had been heavily drinking, and she later became sick in a hotel room. While cleaning up in the shower, he approached her "fully naked" from behind.

"I had a boyfriend at the time and didn't think I had given him any reason to believe I wanted this," she said in the post. "I don't cheat. So I told him that it wasn't ok, that I was sick, that I had a boyfriend, that I didn't want that."

Leupp alleges Malka "started resenting me," and became "mean" during their trip to the city. Her relationship with her boyfriend reportedly fell apart soon after, which she blamed in part because of the guilt she felt over the incident with Malka.

[...]

The two continued to hang out, according to Leupp, because she attributed the incident to him "being drunk that one night." They talked about how what happened was "not okay," and he seemed receptive to the feedback.

"I had no reason not to trust him still," she said. "It was a creepy thing, but I tend to give people second chances. He had already invited me to go to E3."

 

[Nepenthe]

"How dare a woman share her experience with sexual harassment in a relevant social media campaign during a time of increased scrutiny of sexual harassment?"

-One High Profile Sexual Assault Case Later-

"Why didn't she come forward sooner?"

 

[Vagabundo]

from the article

lol of course most in here probably haven't actually even read the op nevermind the article. As usual. Gaf never change... Oppps... :/

 

[ebullientprism]

That girl must be really proud of herself, that she destroyed this community and probably his life.

This will be the tone of this community going forwards I am guessing.

 

[Noboru Wataya]

from the article

Thanks, I think I need thicker glasses.