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Waypoint: Inside the Sexual Misconduct Allegations Rocking NeoGAF's Last 48 Hours
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Noboru Wataya
Banned
Probably, I can assure you I have read it when it was first published. Although I didn't remember that line being there.
KarneeKarnay
Member
People aren't reading the earlier posts are they?
She posted this on her FB. One of her friends screen capped it and spread it from there.
Privately shared. Somebody else screen capped and shared it publicly. She took it down as she didnt want it to blow up. Context, as you said.
Yeah. The context is that she decided to give him a second chance, eventually did have sex with him, and posted the allegations privately as a real example of sexual harassment she has faced.
But all you can see is she had sex with him (which ultimately has nothing to do with the sexual harassment) and then exposed him.
Who is the one with tunnel vision here?
I mean, it's still GAF in that sense - people skim read the OP, skip to the end, post an opinion.
Royce McCutcheon
Junior Member
Lol, ok. We gonna forget she said "google evil lore" am I being pranked. She says a high profile GAF member and doesn't expect it to blow up?
LordRaptor
Member
Do you understand she was saying that to people she thought she could trust, not to a journalist she was hoping was going to write a story?
Man, you must think GAF is huuuuuuuuuuuuuge if you think this.
Christ, my wife wouldn't know what GAF was, and I rant at her about lots of gaming stuff.
nicoga3000
Saint Nic
Just gonna chime in and say she knew what she was doing. I'm not defending the situation on either side...
But she shared something on Facebook. "Privately". Which means NOTHING on the internet.
But she shared something on Facebook. "Privately". Which means NOTHING on the internet.
Air Zombie Meat
Member
She was talking to her friends and if someone hadn't capped and spread it around this wouldn't have blown up.
Royce McCutcheon
Junior Member
Your wife doesn't know GAF, but this woman did, and apparently so did her friends, friends she knew were connected to gaf. Was this girl inept? A private Facebook post is an oxymoron. A private Facebook message to friends is still seen by hundreds of "friends" she has.
No bother. Just tiring repeating the same facts ad nasum, and its not alway apparent whos asking questions or "just asking questions".
Yes -let's say - she was inept. So what?
Again, your bias is showing.
It depends upon her custom friends settings. And, even if every one of her friends saw it, you're advocating a woman be silent about her experiences. You get how that looks, right?
Air Zombie Meat
Member
Maybe she was a bit naive about it. So what though? Doesn't mean it was deliberate. Lots of people are careless when it comes to sharing on the internet.
People make innocent 'mistakes' all the time, especially when talking to friends about something they want to vent about. That doesn't mean they should be haunted by it and their name plastered all over the internet. If this person wasn't willing to be named at any point, someone seriously wronged her by getting the name out there.
Jeff Gerstmann alluded to this news traveling in some 'gross' places on the internet (on the podcast) before it broke here. Does anyone know what that is about?
Cosmonaut X
Member
Was it not floating about in Voat and a couple of similar places? I think it made its way there first, then quickly to GAF and then the pre-collapse wave of deletions and topic locks started as the screencaps were spread here.
Just a reminder that at least one of the women Harvey Weinstein harassed later had consensual sex with him, and several of the women remained friends, or at least friendly with him even after their harassment. There are some extraneous circumstances for that particular situation (careers and politics), but the point is it's not odd behavior for a victim of harassment or sexual misconduct to forgive and try to make the best of a fucked up situation.
Might be hard for some here to fathom, but holding grudges against people you like doesn't feel good, nor does explaining to your inner circle why you and so and so aren't friends anymore, especially if you know talking about the situation will net "well why were you drinking with him?" comments or gossip behind your back about you cheating, lying, being a whore, etc.
It's a lot of embarrassment, guilt, frustration, and regret, and sometimes it feels more empowering to let it go and continue being friends with the person you have grown close to instead of blowing it all up over something you can interpret as just a one-off mistake. And even hooking up with that person later on can feel like a step in regaining agency and control over what happened between you.
Shit can be and is often complicated and messy.
Might be hard for some here to fathom, but holding grudges against people you like doesn't feel good, nor does explaining to your inner circle why you and so and so aren't friends anymore, especially if you know talking about the situation will net "well why were you drinking with him?" comments or gossip behind your back about you cheating, lying, being a whore, etc.
It's a lot of embarrassment, guilt, frustration, and regret, and sometimes it feels more empowering to let it go and continue being friends with the person you have grown close to instead of blowing it all up over something you can interpret as just a one-off mistake. And even hooking up with that person later on can feel like a step in regaining agency and control over what happened between you.
Shit can be and is often complicated and messy.
Boards of Canada
Member
Posting anything on Facebook is not private. Even if your account is private, any one of your friends can see it. Therefore, it's *not* private.
And what if it actually happened exactly how it was described (we'll never know)? How do you prove such a thing? And if there's no irrefutable proof, she should just have shut up? Do you say this to all alleged victims of sexual harassment?
Is this going to be the new norm in here? Sad if true.
Coulomb_Barrier
Member
Yeah agree. I personally wouldn't go out and get smashed to the point of vomiting then go back to the hotel of a friend of the opposite sex if I had a partner. I would find it weird and my partner would find it weird.
What's happening is a large proportion of these 'outraged' members have an axe to grind with EvilLore/NeoGaf that has been harboured for a long time most likely, stemming from such trivial things as console wars, former bans, political agendas etc.
I just realised... This is just "women don't belong in videogames" redux. After all, if she hadn't posted her experiences, GAF would be fine. So it's all her fault that GAF is screwed (and not at all EL's fault for handling it badly).
I've done this, whilst engaged. Not getting drunk to the point of vomting, but everything else. Because, y'know, platonic friends with a member of the opposite sex without weirdness happening can actually happen.
And, yes, my fiance knew.
I've done this, whilst engaged. Not getting drunk to the point of vomting, but everything else. Because, y'know, platonic friends with a member of the opposite sex without weirdness happening can actually happen.
And, yes, my fiance knew.
Royce McCutcheon
Junior Member
There are more doom and gloom people quoting this than what's being said. Isolate a quote and run with it seems to be the running theme in this topic.
Of course it's lores fault, he pressed the button.
Sounds like someone making a fully conscious decision, at least to me. Do you disagree?
Most people do not stop and think about having something associated with them indefinitely on the internet when they post things among friends.
Sounds like you have a shitty partner and/or trust issues.
I have friends who are females that I get wasted with and crash at their place plenty of times. Same with her and make friends.
Youre busted in the head if you think the only thing stopping people from cheating on their significant other is them not being there.
Who said anything about her not making a conscious decision?
Everything about the Waypoint Article and Podcast episode makes me feel like I can't be a part of this community anymore unless Evillore divests his interests in GAF.
What's worse is that I'm seeing the 'new' community, the people choosing to stay behind be the awful GAF stereotypes that I always believed to be untrue.
There's a lot of good people in this thread but the fact that we're having to argue core concepts of assault and the practical realities of the situation is frankly sickening.
Peace out GAF, it was a wonderful decade with you while it lasted.
What's worse is that I'm seeing the 'new' community, the people choosing to stay behind be the awful GAF stereotypes that I always believed to be untrue.
There's a lot of good people in this thread but the fact that we're having to argue core concepts of assault and the practical realities of the situation is frankly sickening.
Peace out GAF, it was a wonderful decade with you while it lasted.
I just want to point out that lore has done a lot of other crummy things on top of what has already come to light.
There was once a thread asking if traveling to instanbul is safe. The user crankyjay innocently pointed out to be careful of the bar scam because evilore once was a victim of it himself. Lore chimes in and tells him not to spread lies about his life. When cranky posted proof that he wasnt lying, lore nuked the posts, the thread, and crankys account.
Proof:
The reason lore lied is because his girl whom he so affectionally described but wouldnt call and the friend that was with him were unbeknownst to him obviously in on it. If you want a story where the woman got the best of lore instead of the other way around, then read that eurotrip tale in the screenshot straight from the horses mouth.
Just know lore doesnt give a single shit about you, may call you a liar, and axe you for no good reason at all just to cover up his own lies and embarrassment.
There was once a thread asking if traveling to instanbul is safe. The user crankyjay innocently pointed out to be careful of the bar scam because evilore once was a victim of it himself. Lore chimes in and tells him not to spread lies about his life. When cranky posted proof that he wasnt lying, lore nuked the posts, the thread, and crankys account.
Proof:
The reason lore lied is because his girl whom he so affectionally described but wouldnt call and the friend that was with him were unbeknownst to him obviously in on it. If you want a story where the woman got the best of lore instead of the other way around, then read that eurotrip tale in the screenshot straight from the horses mouth.
Just know lore doesnt give a single shit about you, may call you a liar, and axe you for no good reason at all just to cover up his own lies and embarrassment.
The poster is not banned. It just screams that blatant misogyny is allowed as long as it's in the site owner's defense.
Yeah, this bums me out so much.
Aye, I'm arguing against awful stereotypes, but I feel kinda icky posting here. I think I'm out.
Your post implies that she was pressured, embarrassed, frustrated, and/or guilted into having a physical relationship with him after the fact. That the decision wasn't fully hers, essentially. I'm simply asking if that's what you personally believe to be case.
Trying to view that pic on mobile, and it seems like a really low quality image where I can't even read anything when trying to zoom in. Do you have a better link?
doesn't appear to be the new norm but the old norm was way the opposite. i hope the new norm is a mix of different opinions and viewpoints that celebrate actual discussion
Royce McCutcheon
Junior Member
Or the mod staff is horribly undermanned and there is no report feature. But hey, woe is me, GAF is gone.
Yeah it's pretty sad. My posts are all but academic at this point. Mentally I've checked out reading this new community of viewpoints.
I think your comprehension of my post is a little off.
Royce McCutcheon
Junior Member
You've been asked the same question twice and still haven't said yes or no. How do you do that.
By pointing out that his question is based on an incorrect understanding of my post.
You posted a thoughtful warning about the consequences of sexual misconduct and how it has an effect on people in a thread about a specific occurrence of it. I'm not crazy for assuming you are referring to the incident under discussion in the thread. This misunderstanding - if it is one - doesn't preclude you from answering a direct question. I am not shooting for a 'gotcha' moment or trying to deconstruct what you said as it was completely on point. I am simply asking if you believe it applies in this case.
ElfArmy177
Member
Oh please, she had sex with him afterwards, dude can't be that horrible if she was so upset she decides to have sex anyways. People do dumb shit, including evilore. What he did was absolutely stupid and creepy but from what I've read he apologized and left her alone. He didn't rape her or hold her against her will. Its dumb, he messed up (big time).
Let's be honest here though.. alot of this is just mob mentality... This guy didn't do anything to any of you and you're all acting like he killed your dog.
If she thought he should burn for what he did... She wouldn't have fucked him at another date.. I dunno if you understand how humans usually work, but if you can forgive someone to the point of being emotionally and physically intimate soon after... Maybe it's blown out of proportion
Then again.. I'm a nurse who worked with people who have actually been raped, hell my own wife was raped and even she thinks this is a bunch of Bullock's when I told her. (I'm not saying it's ok to be creepy or sexually harass/assault women or men by any means, I'm only saying this sounds more like a stupid mistake than a real calculated sexual predator)
This doesn't excuse evilore as I said what he did was still creepy as hell. And I'm sure she felt terrified she COULD become a rape victim... Which simply making someone feel this way is horrible in itself. Again though... She had sex with this horrible sexual predator afterwards... (I can't forgive the revenge porn though since I've been a threatened vitim of that by an ex wife). I guess I'm the type of hopes there is good in everyone and hopefully he learned his lesson.
There's something I don't get. According the article, they had already settled the issue and moved on (to the point of staying amicable and even having consensual sex at some later point). I imagine she may have feel inspired by the #MeToo campaign and wanted to share her story. That's fair. But why incriminate him directly ("google evil lore") if they had already settled everything up privately. She could have just talked about it without mentioning names, unless she does indeed have some hidden motives.
Imp the Dimp
Member
She explains that his actions later put his actions in the past in a new light. She re-evaluated the situation and expressed it as part of the MeToo campaign.
Thanks. If that's true, what a weird thing to do, erasing your history.
It's been 3 hours. Comments about EL get banned way faster.