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[thelastword]

When you have the best version of multi platforms, exclusives don't matter as much in my opinion.

For some reason, I need some receipts....Was PS4 declared the best system out there by said persons when you had mulitplats at launch with a 720p to 1080p divide with much better framerate on-top?

Was that opinion declared so liberally by said posters the last four years where PS4 had a clean sweep of 99% of all muliplatform games?...or, were these posters just declaring how 900p is not that bad and it looks pretty negligle to 1080p from viewing distance in one's living room......or even one Staham declaring that he has a 720p TV, so MS's 720p games are native and looks great.....Do we remember the narrative of "Best looking 720p game"...Quantum break, was one of those......How things have changed...., "even 1440p is shit/garbage now".....

There's a reason why MS pushed so hard for backwards compatibility. Hopefully things get better.

Heh, but would you know that all the excitemement and jubilation for BC has now turned to dead silence and persons are "moving on", since the first two minutes in Oblivion?...Hey!.. It's great that I can play Oblivion at close to 4k/1800p at 30fps with dips in 2017, but who in their right mind would devote 100 hours to something like oblivion now at 30fps, when there are tonnes of new games untouched in their libraries and their backlog ever extending......

It's great that people have the option for spruced up BC titles on XBONEX, but there's no way this is what will cause someone to rush to buy the system. The most modest PC you can build now plays Oblivion at 4K 60fps, and I'm pretty sure not many are doing so even on PC....and Heh, speaking of exclusives, at least Ninja Gaiden Black is a nice title to have BC'd, but then, there's a much better looking version of the first game out there, and it's not even on an XBOX system

*the Coalition's next game
*A halo game
*Sea of theives
*Playground games/forza horizon game
*Crackdown 3

If that all pans out

You have an TPS
A FPS
an open world online pirate game
An open world racer
An open world TPS

A pretty compelling and diverse portfolio right there

Fake news Engadget

Was this list done in humor? A list that states, "whatever The Coalition is working on"...At least you gave me a chuckle....Beyond the amusement though, Crackdown 3 and Sea of thieves have been delayed time and time again, Crackdown 3 for an eternity it would seem. Crackdown was never a great seller tbh, nor did it light up metacritic on fire, so I don't know what expectations people really or genuinely have here....

Also, a Halo and a Forza game, is that suppose to make the XBONEX look appealing? There have been multitudes of Forza games on XBOX ONE, a few Halo games already and you're suggesting people are frothing at the mouth to the tune of another game in said series? People are just ready to burst their purses and part way with their $500.00 at the behest of sequels which already have a somehwat "crowded showing" and diminished appeal....?

If MS is viewing this as you are, then you're just helping them usher the XBOX out of the industry....., by not seeing or pointing out what's wrong here........You take the stance of the memed Iraqi general.gif, saying everything is ok, nothing is wrong....Whilst everybody is seeing what's happening in the background......The onus is on you as an XBOX fan to put your voice towards securing better exclsuives et al.....Not to fan flames of what is an objective outlook on MS, as far as exclusives go.......

 

[oldergamer]

Perhaps, people should wait until E3 before saying ms has nothing this year. They have repeatedly said they would announce games close to release and not a few years out (which is something sony regularly does, but gets no flak for it).

They have stated that a reinvestment in first party plus acquisitions was going to happen.

 

[Journey]

Dear Engadget: Beat a dead horse for clicks

Hearing the Xbox has NO compelling exclusives is horseshit and completely opinion based garbage.

"People" are quick to discount Xbox exclusive sequels as boring and unwanted. Why? I'm an actual Xbox gamer(among all the other systems and PC too) and I want the next Halo. I want the next Forza Horizon and Gears game. I want Crackdown 3 and State of Decay 2...

I also want Sea of Thieves, Ashen, Below and whatever new games MS will be announcing this year.

Do Sony fans and writers have to brush aside all of their sequels and unproven new IPs? God of War 4, Uncharted 4, Last of Us 2 and Gran Turismo Sport are all off the table in Sonys conversation right? Death Stranding and Detroit are unproven new IPs like Sea of Thieves and Ashen, I guess they have to go too...

MS has sequels, exclusive new IPs and are extremely diverse in their lineup...stop this trash narrative that they don't now please...

Yours truly,

CUPHEAD and PUBG.

 

[FacelessSamurai]

For some reason, I need some receipts....Was PS4 declared the best system out there by said persons when you had mulitplats at launch with a 720p to 1080p divide with much better framerate on-top?

Was that opinion declared so liberally by said posters the last four years where PS4 had a clean sweep of 99% of all muliplatform games?...or, were these posters just declaring how 900p is not that bad and it looks pretty negligle to 1080p from viewing distance in one's living room......or even one Staham declaring that he has a 720p TV, so MS's 720p games are native and looks great.....Do we remember the narrative of "Best looking 720p game"...Quantum break, was one of those......How things have changed...., "even 1440p is shit/garbage now".....


Heh, but would you know that all the excitemement and jubilation for BC has now turned to dead silence and persons are "moving on", since the first two minutes in Oblivion?...Hey!.. It's great that I can play Oblivion at close to 4k/1800p at 30fps with dips in 2017, but who in their right mind would devote 100 hours to something like oblivion now at 30fps, when there are tonnes of new games untouched in their libraries and their backlog ever extending......

It's great that people have the option for spruced up BC titles on XBONEX, but there's no way this is what will cause someone to rush to buy the system. The most modest PC you can build now plays Oblivion at 4K 60fps, and I'm pretty sure not many are doing so even on PC....and Heh, speaking of exclusives, at least Ninja Gaiden Black is a nice title to have BC'd, but then, there's a much better looking version of the first game out there, and it's not even on an XBOX system


Was this list done in humor? A list that states, "whatever The Coalition is working on"...At least you gave me a chuckle....Beyond the amusement though, Crackdown 3 and Sea of thieves have been delayed time and time again, Crackdown 3 for an eternity it would seem. Crackdown was never a great seller tbh, nor did it light up metacritic on fire, so I don't know what expectations people really or genuinely have here....

Also, a Halo and a Forza game, is that suppose to make the XBONEX look appealing? There have been multitudes of Forza games on XBOX ONE, a few Halo games already and you're suggesting people are frothing at the mouth to the tune of another game in said series? People are just ready to burst their purses and part way with their $500.00 at the behest of sequels which already have a somehwat "crowded showing" and diminished appeal....?

If MS is viewing this as you are, then you're just helping them usher the XBOX out of the industry....., by not seeing or pointing out what's wrong here........You take the stance of the memed Iraqi general.gif, saying everything is ok, nothing is wrong....Whilst everybody is seeing what's happening in the background......The onus is on you as an XBOX fan to put your voice towards securing better exclsuives et al.....Not to fan flames of what is an objective outlook on MS, as far as exclusives go.......

BC is definitely important. PC gamers can go back and play any old game they so desire. They don’t have to keep their old PC or pay a company a monthly fee to stream their game to be able to play them, they just can and with no extra fees and with a higher fidelity. This is what Microsoft is building with the Xbox right now, and you can bet that with a team of 100 strong they are not putting in all of this work for nothing; the next console will support all form of BC back to the original Xbox, I’d bet anything on that. People play older games all the time. I don’t think that releasing Shadow of the Collossus for the third time with slightly better graphics and making people pay 60$ again is old for your player base wen they could have a similar solution to MS’s and have it natively rendered in 4k on their PS4 Pro for no extra cost to owners of the original.

You also have older games selling out on amazon, prices skyrocketing or getting in the top 10 most played games on Xbox Live when they launch on BC. And it’s not because of a lack of games to play, it’s because people genuinely still care for older games and don’t want to keep 10 consoles plugged into their TV to play all of them. If BC wasn’t a thing I can honestly say I wouldn’t play any of the free 360 games I get every month, as I bet most people don’t with their free PS3 games as they don’t run on PS4. But my Xbox One X runs them, so I’ve been playing more 360 games regularly because it makes it easy for me to do so. And by they way, Ninja Gaiden renders in 4k on Xbox One X, something even the PS3 version wouldn’t be able to do and the extra bells and whistles it has doesn’t make it look better than the 4k version I am playing right now!

The generation was decided in the first few months because of the price and power gap. Even when they reached price parity, PS4 was still more powerful and the word of mouth had already gotten out. To think exclusives had anything to do with it is foolish and downright stupid. And all of the exclusives they are getting (like Nier for example) without any deals is because of that momentum. The player baseball is bigger on PS4 so the risks are smaller to take there than on Xbox right now. It’s not because MS isn’t putting in the work, but there is no way they could be paying for all of those games to come out on Xbox One when Sony isn’t.

Also, this is my opinion, but yes, Halo, Forza and Gears are a lot more compelling than any Sony franchises releasing this year. When I pay 60$ for a game, not only do I get a single player story just as long as your Sony games, but after 10 hours wen the campaign is over, I can still spend hundreds of hours on MP, getting much more value out of my game. With God of War, after 10 hours the game ends up on the shelf and gathers dust as there is nothing else to do with it. This is what people want and also why free to play is so huge right now, because we get value out of it.

Maybe some of you guys should go here: https://www.microsoft.com/en-ca/store/most-played/games/xbox and see what people actually play. You’ll see most of them are multiplayer driven. Then go here :http://steamcharts.com/top and do the same thing, you will get the same result. Reason is because multiplayer driven games are where it’s at right now.

I would never buy a console because it has a longer list of exclusives I’ll never play anyway. I buy a console because it offers the best overall experience (Xbox Live, graphical fidelity, BC). People don’t buy PS4 for exclusives, they buy it because at the 200$ price point (which is what most people will pay), PS4 is the most powerful out of the 2 and has the momentum. PS4 Pro and Xbox One X are only a drop in the bucket and we all know it. So if you take out the casuals who are most likely getting the PS4 because of the reasons I already listed or maybe the more informed ones who prefer their Sony games, the reason why some people are still buying Xbox One S over a PS4 is the more informed gamer who either prefers MS exclusives, 4K blu-ray, controller, online infrastructure, friends, etc and don’t mind playing at 900p instead of 1080p.

But for the mainstream people, most will usually go with a PS4, and it’s not for the exclusives. And MS has no appeal outside of US and UK, so that widens the gap a lot more. Because here in Canada, all the people I know that still play on console are mostly on Xbox One, and I didn’t need to threaten them to buy one, they did it on their own!

 

[DonF]

Nintendo has once again proven that exclusive software matters.
The message of the xbox one x is so confusing if you think about it.
It has no 100% exclusives (tons of pc releases) so all you have is the power...yet if you really care about power, get a good pc.
In my opinion, the xbox one x is irrelevant. If you have a ps4, a switch and a good pc, you are all set. You don't need an xbox one.

 

[The_Mike]

For some reason, I need some receipts....Was PS4 declared the best system out there by said persons when you had mulitplats at launch with a 720p to 1080p divide with much better framerate on-top?

Weren’t you there during the launch of this gen?
Yes, PS4 was declared the best system day One because of the better graphics.

PS4 sales stomper all over the One right out of the gates before. There were any exclusives, and all threads were about the better graphics PS4 had compared to the One.

 

[mike4001_]

Spencer has hinted several times that he has plenty of exclusives in the works, but that he’s not going to repeat the mistakes of his predecessors by announcing them before they know exactly when, and if, they are coming out.

Do you really think he doesn’t have E3 already very much planned to drop such bombs?

He didn't at E3 2017 ...

I really hope they have something new & SP in store for 2018.

 

[DonF]

Weren’t you there during the launch of this gen?
Yes, PS4 was declared the best system day One because of the better graphics.

PS4 sales stomper all over the One right out of the gates before. There were any exclusives, and all threads were about the better graphics PS4 had compared to the One.

Remember, not only was the ps4 more powerful but also cheaper. Thats the killer combo, and thats why it was declared the best, it offered better value.

 

[GTR R35_Supra RZ]

For some reason, I need some receipts....Was PS4 declared the best system out there by said persons when you had mulitplats at launch with a 720p to 1080p divide with much better framerate on-top?

Was that opinion declared so liberally by said posters the last four years where PS4 had a clean sweep of 99% of all muliplatform games?...or, were these posters just declaring how 900p is not that bad and it looks pretty negligle to 1080p from viewing distance in one's living room......or even one Staham declaring that he has a 720p TV, so MS's 720p games are native and looks great.....Do we remember the narrative of "Best looking 720p game"...Quantum break, was one of those......How things have changed...., "even 1440p is shit/garbage now".....


Heh, but would you know that all the excitemement and jubilation for BC has now turned to dead silence and persons are "moving on", since the first two minutes in Oblivion?...Hey!.. It's great that I can play Oblivion at close to 4k/1800p at 30fps with dips in 2017, but who in their right mind would devote 100 hours to something like oblivion now at 30fps, when there are tonnes of new games untouched in their libraries and their backlog ever extending......

It's great that people have the option for spruced up BC titles on XBONEX, but there's no way this is what will cause someone to rush to buy the system. The most modest PC you can build now plays Oblivion at 4K 60fps, and I'm pretty sure not many are doing so even on PC....and Heh, speaking of exclusives, at least Ninja Gaiden Black is a nice title to have BC'd, but then, there's a much better looking version of the first game out there, and it's not even on an XBOX system


Was this list done in humor? A list that states, "whatever The Coalition is working on"...At least you gave me a chuckle....Beyond the amusement though, Crackdown 3 and Sea of thieves have been delayed time and time again, Crackdown 3 for an eternity it would seem. Crackdown was never a great seller tbh, nor did it light up metacritic on fire, so I don't know what expectations people really or genuinely have here....

Also, a Halo and a Forza game, is that suppose to make the XBONEX look appealing? There have been multitudes of Forza games on XBOX ONE, a few Halo games already and you're suggesting people are frothing at the mouth to the tune of another game in said series? People are just ready to burst their purses and part way with their $500.00 at the behest of sequels which already have a somehwat "crowded showing" and diminished appeal....?

If MS is viewing this as you are, then you're just helping them usher the XBOX out of the industry....., by not seeing or pointing out what's wrong here........You take the stance of the memed Iraqi general.gif, saying everything is ok, nothing is wrong....Whilst everybody is seeing what's happening in the background......The onus is on you as an XBOX fan to put your voice towards securing better exclsuives et al.....Not to fan flames of what is an objective outlook on MS, as far as exclusives go.......

Jesus Christ Lord allmighty..this is fn incredible and the perfection this dude aims in each and every post he makes to be a legendary Pony warrior..I'm telling you, you going down into history books, hands down.

BC is definitely important. PC gamers can go back and play any old game they so desire. They don’t have to keep their old PC or pay a company a monthly fee to stream their game to be able to play them, they just can and with no extra fees and with a higher fidelity. This is what Microsoft is building with the Xbox right now, and you can bet that with a team of 100 strong they are not putting in all of this work for nothing; the next console will support all form of BC back to the original Xbox, I’d bet anything on that. People play older games all the time. I don’t think that releasing Shadow of the Collossus for the third time with slightly better graphics and making people pay 60$ again is old for your player base wen they could have a similar solution to MS’s and have it natively rendered in 4k on their PS4 Pro for no extra cost to owners of the original.

You also have older games selling out on amazon, prices skyrocketing or getting in the top 10 most played games on Xbox Live when they launch on BC. And it’s not because of a lack of games to play, it’s because people genuinely still care for older games and don’t want to keep 10 consoles plugged into their TV to play all of them. If BC wasn’t a thing I can honestly say I wouldn’t play any of the free 360 games I get every month, as I bet most people don’t with their free PS3 games as they don’t run on PS4. But my Xbox One X runs them, so I’ve been playing more 360 games regularly because it makes it easy for me to do so. And by they way, Ninja Gaiden renders in 4k on Xbox One X, something even the PS3 version wouldn’t be able to do and the extra bells and whistles it has doesn’t make it look better than the 4k version I am playing right now!

The generation was decided in the first few months because of the price and power gap. Even when they reached price parity, PS4 was still more powerful and the word of mouth had already gotten out. To think exclusives had anything to do with it is foolish and downright stupid. And all of the exclusives they are getting (like Nier for example) without any deals is because of that momentum. The player baseball is bigger on PS4 so the risks are smaller to take there than on Xbox right now. It’s not because MS isn’t putting in the work, but there is no way they could be paying for all of those games to come out on Xbox One when Sony isn’t.

Also, this is my opinion, but yes, Halo, Forza and Gears are a lot more compelling than any Sony franchises releasing this year. When I pay 60$ for a game, not only do I get a single player story just as long as your Sony games, but after 10 hours wen the campaign is over, I can still spend hundreds of hours on MP, getting much more value out of my game. With God of War, after 10 hours the game ends up on the shelf and gathers dust as there is nothing else to do with it. This is what people want and also why free to play is so huge right now, because we get value out of it.

Maybe some of you guys should go here: https://www.microsoft.com/en-ca/store/most-played/games/xbox and see what people actually play. You’ll see most of them are multiplayer driven. Then go here :http://steamcharts.com/top and do the same thing, you will get the same result. Reason is because multiplayer driven games are where it’s at right now.

I would never buy a console because it has a longer list of exclusives I’ll never play anyway. I buy a console because it offers the best overall experience (Xbox Live, graphical fidelity, BC). People don’t buy PS4 for exclusives, they buy it because at the 200$ price point (which is what most people will pay), PS4 is the most powerful out of the 2 and has the momentum. PS4 Pro and Xbox One X are only a drop in the bucket and we all know it. So if you take out the casuals who are most likely getting the PS4 because of the reasons I already listed or maybe the more informed ones who prefer their Sony games, the reason why some people are still buying Xbox One S over a PS4 is the more informed gamer who either prefers MS exclusives, 4K blu-ray, controller, online infrastructure, friends, etc and don’t mind playing at 900p instead of 1080p.

But for the mainstream people, most will usually go with a PS4, and it’s not for the exclusives. And MS has no appeal outside of US and UK, so that widens the gap a lot more. Because here in Canada, all the people I know that still play on console are mostly on Xbox One, and I didn’t need to threaten them to buy one, they did it on their own!

For the love of God do not FEED HIM..he's dripping salt as it is.

 

[MilkyJoe]

Remember, not only was the ps4 more powerful but also cheaper. Thats the killer combo, and thats why it was declared the best, it offered better value.

Correctomundo

 

[hiphopcr]

Dear Engadget: Beat a dead horse for clicks

Hearing the Xbox has NO compelling exclusives is horseshit and completely opinion based garbage.

"People" are quick to discount Xbox exclusive sequels as boring and unwanted. Why? I'm an actual Xbox gamer(among all the other systems and PC too) and I want the next Halo. I want the next Forza Horizon and Gears game. I want Crackdown 3 and State of Decay 2...

I also want Sea of Thieves, Ashen, Below and whatever new games MS will be announcing this year.

Do Sony fans and writers have to brush aside all of their sequels and unproven new IPs? God of War 4, Uncharted 4, Last of Us 2 and Gran Turismo Sport are all off the table in Sonys conversation right? Death Stranding and Detroit are unproven new IPs like Sea of Thieves and Ashen, I guess they have to go too...

MS has sequels, exclusive new IPs and are extremely diverse in their lineup...stop this trash narrative that they don't now please...

Yours truly,

CUPHEAD and PUBG.

.

 

[Mooreberg]

Like any system that isn't a quickly abandoned market failure, it has plenty to play if it is your only platform. But it is also one of the more redundant platforms to have as a "second system" in some time. A lot of the popular software is covered if you have a PC and/or PS4. Compare this to the games that could only be played on PS3 or even GameCube. Microsoft still operates with a strategy that is only tremendously successful when you are the market leader. Publishing thinning out from 2009 - 2013 on Xbox 360 worked because they were already well ahead of PS3 in western markets and were the default platform for people playing multi-platform titles.

But the Kinect/DRM/Price bobbles of 2013/2014 pretty much lost them their market position in record timing. And they don't publish much software or have many genuine exclusives. They never adjusted to the fact that having Call of Duty and Halo stopped being enough in a world where you can play COD elsewhere and Halo is less popular. They can keep selling hardware at a respectable rate, but the first party output and slate of exclusives is as uninspiring as it gets for a company that could be investing so much more on internal studios.

 

[LuvOfThaGame]

Do we remember the narrative of "Best looking 720p game"...Quantum break, was one of those......How things have changed....

Aren't you always championing that reconstruction techniques are not correctly referred to by their base resolutions before the frame buffer on PS4Pro? Quantum Break final frame buffer output is 1080p. Which is it going to be? Can't have it both ways, buddy. From now on, when discussing checkerboard game output, don't forget that its half the resolution just like you referred to with an xbox game.

 

[BANGS]

Ummm... games that are also on PC aren't exclusives... can we stop pretending they are?

Honestly, the XBOX brand was dead to me the day Scalebound was canned. Perhaps even before that, when it was rumored Scalebound would be on PC as well. I just can't find a reason to own one when it has no real exclusives...

There are no shortage of great games coming to Xbox contrary to the title of the article. Xbox has great 3rd party support and there is tons to play. But not much if at all will be exclusives if that matters to you or not...

 

[hiphopcr]

Honestly, the XBOX brand was dead to me the day Scalebound was canned

Seems a little overdramatic...

But not much if at all will be exclusives if that matters to you or not...

Do you mean this for you, or everyone in the world?

Because the Xbox exclusives are the reasons I keep coming back 3 generations in.

 

[BANGS]

Seems a little overdramatic...

Not really, it was far from being the sole reason the brand got bland for me... it was just the final nail in the coffin...

Do you mean this for you, or everyone in the world?

Because the Xbox exclusives are the reasons I keep coming back 3 generations in.

For everyone it applies to, of course. I'm not sure what exclusives you're playing this gen but I'm having trouble finding more than a handful... Sunset Overdrive, Rare Replay, Halo 5 and Master Cheif Collection, and the Forzas. That's 6 total, two of which are collections of ports to begin with...

 

[martinstraka8282]

Like any system that isn't a quickly abandoned market failure, it has plenty to play if it is your only platform. But it is also one of the more redundant platforms to have as a "second system" in some time. A lot of the popular software is covered if you have a PC and/or PS4. Compare this to the games that could only be played on PS3 or even GameCube. Microsoft still operates with a strategy that is only tremendously successful when you are the market leader. Publishing thinning out from 2009 - 2013 on Xbox 360 worked because they were already well ahead of PS3 in western markets and were the default platform for people playing multi-platform titles.

But the Kinect/DRM/Price bobbles of 2013/2014 pretty much lost them their market position in record timing. And they don't publish much software or have many genuine exclusives. They never adjusted to the fact that having Call of Duty and Halo stopped being enough in a world where you can play COD elsewhere and Halo is less popular. They can keep selling hardware at a respectable rate, but the first party output and slate of exclusives is as uninspiring as it gets for a company that could be investing so much more on internal studios.

My thoughts almost exactly, especially about being a redundant second console this gen more than any time in the past. Microsoft only have themselves to blame for losing the sales race, their offering/plan at launch in comparison to PS4's was downright baffling and anyone could see they were going to be a punching bag for criticism. They've recovered pretty well but it hurt them so much, I can only assume people were fired over that debacle. Exclusives can matter, but in this case I think its only a small piece of the pie, Microsoft knows damn well why they're a distant second this time and only time will tell if they're able to draw even again next time.

 

[hiphopcr]

For everyone it applies to, of course. I'm not sure what exclusives you're playing this gen but I'm having trouble finding more than a handful... Sunset Overdrive, Rare Replay, Halo 5 and Master Cheif Collection, and the Forzas. That's 6 total, two of which are collections of ports to begin with...

It's really not that hard to look up.

I'm beginning to believe Trump's 'fake news' rants, with the media perpetuating one story line and infecting the world like hive mind.

 

[Andronicus]

It's really not that hard to look up.

I'm beginning to believe Trump's 'fake news' rants, with the media perpetuating one story line and infecting the world like hive mind.

The new neogaf in 1 post

 

[BANGS]

It's really not that hard to look up.

I know it's not, I actually had to look at a wiki just to come up with that small list... The rest of the exclusives were shovelware/kinect games...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Xbox_One_games

 

[Liliana Eileen]

It's really not that hard to look up.

I'm beginning to believe Trump's 'fake news' rants, with the media perpetuating one story line and infecting the world like hive mind.

Agreed. It's rather sad, because you have actual people angry and confused that people can prefer or enjoy Xbox due together biased mindset, unwilling to understand subjectivity and opinions. Then you have actual casualties of said FUD, be it fanboy friends or family, or sensationalist headlines to feed said people for clicks. These casualties are mostly casuals who just don't know and don't care about the subject matter so they just go with what they hear. Reminds me alot of first-time Mac users (anyone who worked retail knows what I mean).

 

[hiphopcr]

I know it's not, I actually had to look at a wiki just to come up with that small list... The rest of the exclusives were shovelware/kinect games...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Xbox_One_games

list is 200 games... sorry you had to strain to conjure up 6.

 

[BANGS]

list is 200 games... sorry you had to strain to conjure up 6.

There were only about 30 exclusives tho, and again beyond those 6 games I listed, they were all shovelware/kinect stuff...

Compare that to PS4's list of 70 exclusives, a huge chunk of which are critically acclaimed...

 

[The_Mike]

Remember, not only was the ps4 more powerful but also cheaper. Thats the killer combo, and thats why it was declared the best, it offered better value.

That’s true, which just points out that PS4 didn’t win because of the exclusives.

 

[BANGS]

That’s true, which just points out that PS4 didn’t win because of the exclusives.

Definitely not, but its certainly helping maintain it's dominance this late in the game. PS4 wasn't dominating the exclusives game at launch, but as time went on the PS4 kept getting more and more exclusives while the xbone hasn't...

 

[VAL0R]

Ori and the Will of the Wisps is easily one of my most anticipated games of 2018(?). I know Ori and the Blind Forest was financially successful and critically acclaimed, but I still feel like it didn't get the attention it deserved. I thought it was brilliant.

If MS owns ORI, I think they'd be wise to really invest into this character/franchise. Ori and pals could become the face of XBOX family friendly fare. Perhaps we are past the age of "mascots," but you know what I mean.

 

[BANGS]

Ori and the Will of the Wisps is easily one of my most anticipated games of 2018(?). I know Ori and the Blind Forest was financially successful and critically acclaimed, but I still feel like it didn't get the attention it deserved. I thought it was brilliant.

If MS owns ORI, I think they'd be wise to really invest into this character/franchise. Ori and pals could become the face of XBOX family friendly fare. Perhaps we are past the age of "mascots," but you know what I mean.

I still have yet to play through the first one... too many games on my PC to keep up...

Definitely looks awesome though and I look forward to it!

 

[Louis Cyphre]

That’s true, which just points out that PS4 didn’t win because of the exclusives.

From that point on many didn't have the confidence in the Xbox One and what area is the PS4 lacking? The Xbox brand has always struggled, even when Sony bothched the release of the PS3 it still sold just as well. Why is that? So I seriously doubt Microsoft getting serious about first party will make much difference. Especially this far into the generation.

 

[Artistic]

PlayStation has stronger brand loyalty than Xbox, there's no denying that.

 

[VAL0R]

I still have yet to play through the first one... too many games on my PC to keep up...

Definitely looks awesome though and I look forward to it!

It's on sale now:

https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/store/p/ori-and-the-blind-forest-definitive-edition/bw85kqb8q31m

 

[BANGS]

If you have an XBL gold account, the definitive edition is on sale for $10.00, I think, for the next few days.

Edit:

And it looks like $12.00 for PC.

https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/stor...n/bw85kqb8q31m

$9.99 on steam

 

[rokkerkory]

I still have yet to play through the first one... too many games on my PC to keep up...

Definitely looks awesome though and I look forward to it!

What are you waiting for? GOTY!

 

[martinstraka8282]

PlayStation has stronger brand loyalty than Xbox, there's no denying that.

There does appear to be more to it than bullet points like exclusives. Playstation has now dominated in sales 3 of the past 4 generations and pretty much tied the other, something else is going on there.

 

[Calibos]

Ummm... games that are also on PC aren't exclusives... can we stop pretending they are?

Honestly, the XBOX brand was dead to me the day Scalebound was canned. Perhaps even before that, when it was rumored Scalebound would be on PC as well. I just can't find a reason to own one when it has no real exclusives...

There are no shortage of great games coming to Xbox contrary to the title of the article. Xbox has great 3rd party support and there is tons to play. But not much if at all will be exclusives if that matters to you or not...

There it is again...PC's are now consoles whenever it's convenient. Using MS's "play anywhere" initiative as a negative against Xbox. Dismissing great exclusives because you have a PC and are a PC gamer.

Gears 4, Ori, Forza Horizon 3, Cuphead, Recore and Quantum Break being on PC is a positive thing...right?

If MS suddenly pulled the plug on it and had all of it's exclusive titles back, would that not be terrible for you as a gamer? Not to mention it would look terrible and give Engadget some real clickbait fuel.

Personally, I hate the "Play Anywhere" thing for this reason. I love it for gamers, but it has become part of the "Xbox has no exclusive games" mantra.

 

[Calibos]

Ori and the Will of the Wisps is easily one of my most anticipated games of 2018(?). I know Ori and the Blind Forest was financially successful and critically acclaimed, but I still feel like it didn't get the attention it deserved. I thought it was brilliant.

If MS owns ORI, I think they'd be wise to really invest into this character/franchise. Ori and pals could become the face of XBOX family friendly fare. Perhaps we are past the age of "mascots," but you know what I mean.

Wholeheartedly agree with this sentiment. I don't think they own Ori in any way right now, but they should try and secure Moon Studios and the IP long term. Maybe use them and Studio HDMR as a model for future studios too...their stories are amazing.

 

[JaxBriggs]

Hearing the Xbox has NO compelling exclusives is horseshit and completely opinion based garbage.

Yours truly,

CUPHEAD and PUBG.

Neither of those games are exclusives to MS or even to Play Anywhere.

Probably not the best examples to use as it actually backs up the claims made in the OP.

 

[Liliana Eileen]

Neither of those games are exclusives to MS or even to Play Anywhere.

Probably not the best examples to use as it actually backs up the claims made in the OP.

Cuphead wouldn't exist without Microsoft and PUBG is only on console because of Microsoft's intervention (just like Path of Exile, my favorite game right now) and even still there is a lot of work ahead to have it optimized for a console. Bu-bu-but they're not exclusives! They're both still selling absolute gangbusters on Xbox One, so something must be getting done right.

 

[JaxBriggs]

Bu-bu-but they're not exclusives!

Exactly. They're not, which was the point..

If you're going to make an argument as to the strength of said platforms exclusives, you should use games that actually are exclusive. Those two games are not, regardless of how you'd like to spin it.

 

[VAL0R]

$9.99 on steam

Nice!

 

[VAL0R]

Wholeheartedly agree with this sentiment. I don't think they own Ori in any way right now, but they should try and secure Moon Studios and the IP long term. Maybe use them and Studio HDMR as a model for future studios too...their stories are amazing.

So I looked it up and the article quoted below states that Moon Studios is independent, but that MS owns the Ori IP. (Found it from a footnote in Moon Studios Wikipedia entry.)

https://refinedgeekery.com/2015/03/16/getting-to-know-moon-studios/

"Ori as a property is owned by Microsoft and while the studio is certainly attached to their creation, there is that feeling that they want to be more than a single property development house."

"While the game is published by Microsoft Game Studios, the team remains wholly independent. If anything, the relationship has given them many of the benefits of a first party development while being able to maintain their unique structure, one seemingly poorly fit with the typical first party system. Describing the relationship on Reddit, Ori Programmer Willem Vos noted: “One of the cool things about Microsoft being involved in the process of building the game, was that they have an experienced and outsider vision.”

 

[DForce]

There it is again...PC's are now consoles whenever it's convenient. Using MS's "play anywhere" initiative as a negative against Xbox. Dismissing great exclusives because you have a PC and are a PC gamer.

Gears 4, Ori, Forza Horizon 3, Cuphead, Recore and Quantum Break being on PC is a positive thing...right?

If MS suddenly pulled the plug on it and had all of it's exclusive titles back, would that not be terrible for you as a gamer? Not to mention it would look terrible and give Engadget some real clickbait fuel.

Personally, I hate the "Play Anywhere" thing for this reason. I love it for gamers, but it has become part of the "Xbox has no exclusive games" mantra.

You have to admit that it gives PC gamers a reason not to buy the Xbox One console. It's good for gamers, but it does become a negative in that aspect.

 

[Journey]

Exactly. They're not, which was the point..

If you're going to make an argument as to the strength of said platforms exclusives, you should use games that actually are exclusive. Those two games are not, regardless of how you'd like to spin it.

Can you get PUGB or Cuphead on PS4? if not, then there's exclusivity, even if limited.

 

[JaxBriggs]

Can you get PUGB or Cuphead on PS4? if not, then there's exclusivity, even if limited.

I'm not disagreeing that they're timed console exclusives (at least in the case of PUBG), but rather simply stating they are not exclusives to the MS platforms, which is what was being discussed in the OP.

Also (and this is just my opinion) but if timed third party exclusives are the biggest argument for the strength of the MS software lineup, then that speaks volumes about their current situation, again going a ways to prove the claims made in the OP.

 

[Louis Cyphre]

Exactly. They're not, which was the point..

If you're going to make an argument as to the strength of said platforms exclusives, you should use games that actually are exclusive. Those two games are not, regardless of how you'd like to spin it.

Persona 5 is not exclusive then and neither is MLB The Show, same with Breath of the Wild. Let's stop the semantics, we all know this is about consoles and how the Xbox is lacking compared to Switch and PS4. Not PC/Switch and PS4 /PC combos.

 

[JaxBriggs]

Persona 5 is not exclusive then and neither is MLB The Show

I wouldn't quote games like Persona, or Nier, or Nioh, etc when talking about PS4 exclusives, because they're not. I'd be talking about games like Bloodborne, Horizon Zero Dawn, Uncharted, etc, or games that you cannot play on any other platform. They are true exclusives and not timed, or console, or launch, or whatever other marketing term you want to use.

 

[hiphopcr]

Persona 5 is not exclusive then and neither is MLB The Show, same with Breath of the Wild. Let's stop the semantics, we all know this is about consoles and how the Xbox is lacking compared to Switch and PS4. Not PC/Switch and PS4 /PC combos.

Nioh/Nier are on Steam and PS4 games are on PSNow (ie PC).

More places to play games is a goooooooooooood thing

 

[Raizing]

Xbox had one slow year and all we've heard since is "Xbox has no exclsuives". It's not like PS4 started this gen or even the first couple of years swimming in quality exclsuives, yet I don't recall quite the same level of FUD being aimed at PlayStation.

I think if Xbox didn't launch a new system (which clearly a ton of resources went into) OR have such an incredible backwards compatibility service then 2017 might have been a problem, but as it stood, even during a low key year on the exclsuves front it still coasted through fine with quality multiplats interspersed with some excellent BC releases. We saw the arrival of both original Xbox games and the opening of the Creator's Channel (XBLIG replacement).

Even then it's not like there weren't any exclsuves; - Halo Wars 2, Forza Horizon Hot Wheels, Path of Exile, Voodoo Vince, Everspace, Slime Rancher, Astroneer, Phantom Dust, Cuphead, Fable Fortune, Tacoma, Super Lucky Tales, Hello Neighbour, Gigantic, Forza 7, PUBG. Maybe they're not to your taste but it's far from a disaster.

There was also a good number of former exclusive PS games which are obviously brand new experiences for Xbox gamers such as Enter the Gungeon, Soma, Dreamfall Chapters, Killing Floor 2, Night in the Woods, Thumper, N++ even Okami HD. Some real quality titles there so I don't think Xbox gamers were stuck for new games to play.

 

[hiphopcr]

You have to admit that it gives PC gamers a reason not to buy the Xbox One console. It's good for gamers, but it does become a negative in that aspect.

“You Can Absolutely Count on Us to Invest in Games for the PC. Windows 10 will be the Best OS for Game Developers and Gamers"

“We weren’t fully committed as a company, and I’ve said that before. We made commitments to developers and consumers that I don’t feel we lived up to. The key difference now is that the Xbox team is driving the Windows and console gaming efforts as one connected ecosystem.”

“Windows is the most popular platform for games in the world and we are committed to doing more. Xbox needs to deliver meaningful, measurable improvements for games and gamers–both for existing games and services and new titles.”

All quotes from Phil. Microsoft doesn't look at these things as mututally exclusive or competing but as beneficial to gamers and themselves.

 

[hiphopcr]

Xbox had one slow year and all we've heard since is "Xbox has no exclsuives". It's not like PS4 started this gen or even the first couple of years swimming in quality exclsuives, yet I don't recall quite the same level of FUD being aimed at PlayStation.

This.

Before spring last year PS4's lineup was meh, with Sony even admitting it had no games and needed to rely on 3rd party support.

It was three years before PS4 even had a AAA exclusive! (UC4)

 

[DForce]

“You Can Absolutely Count on Us to Invest in Games for the PC. Windows 10 will be the Best OS for Game Developers and Gamers"

“We weren’t fully committed as a company, and I’ve said that before. We made commitments to developers and consumers that I don’t feel we lived up to. The key difference now is that the Xbox team is driving the Windows and console gaming efforts as one connected ecosystem.”

“Windows is the most popular platform for games in the world and we are committed to doing more. Xbox needs to deliver meaningful, measurable improvements for games and gamers–both for existing games and services and new titles.”

All quotes from Phil. Microsoft doesn't look at these things as mututally exclusive or competing but as beneficial to gamers and themselves.

This basically proves nothing. It still gives gamers a reason not to buy an Xbox if they already have a PC.