Artistic
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Yes and no. Probably doesn't matter now, but thought losing MGS, KH, and FFexclusivity to Xbox was a major blow to Sony last gen.
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Engadget: Xbox's lack of compelling games won't be fixed next year
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Yes and no. Probably doesn't matter now, but thought losing MGS, KH, and FFexclusivity to Xbox was a major blow to Sony last gen.
hiphopcr
Member
Except that that fits right in with Microsoft's strategy and goes to bolster both platforms.
Calibos
Member
It's a fine example...On console, which is the subject of the article, I can't play them on my PS4 or the Switch that I want but don't have. The waters have become extremely muddy in the console war because of the PC being considered a console when exclusives are discussed. They aren't really the same unless PCs are now off the shelf, non-upgradeable, non-hackable pieces of tech.
Sure, I agree with this. MS focused on an ecosystem when they saw that their system was launched poorly with a completely fucked up message. It brought some good faith, but the Windows store when it launched was a complete disaster and the walled garden approach failed in so many words.
The reasons to buy an Xbox dwindled to basically this: "I don't want a PC gaming rig and all the baggage that comes with it." For a large amount of people that, plus controller, friends, etc... was enough.
^^Gets the argument^^
Bloodborne released in 2015, bro.
Which was actually 1 year and 4 months from launch.
rokkerkory
Member
When folks making just blanket statements along the lines of "just get PC" I wonder just how many people of PCs that are more powerful than the 1X? (or PS4 Pro for that matter).
Deputy Moonman
Member
Global appeal much? Its really not that hard to figure out. The xbox with its western image is a turn off to much of the rest of the world. If Microsoft thinks it can make money by pushing the xbox brand in other countries, great, but those markets are extremely limited. Its annoying when people gloat about how amazing ps4 sales are when Sony has a massive advantage in global appeal. Sony doesn't have to pull teeth to get people to buy their consoles outside of Japan. The xbox could have multiple hit wprgs on the One right now and many more exclusives and it still wouldn't convince much of the rest of the world to pick one up. So it's not as easy as saying well if the xbox had nore "exclusives" it would be doing better. Now throw in the abysmal xbox one launch and backlash for things like drm that never even happened, plus the weaker system with a higher price tag, what does anyone expect?
No the xbox brand is doing just fine for where it is right now. And the people who argue no exclusives or get a pc are extremely narrow minded. I have a pc and I have no desire to play console games on it. To people who enjoy playing games on pc's great, but please stop acting as if you speak for everyone cuz ya dont...
I have a machine with a GTX 1080 and i7 but I still got the 1X. 4K HDR monitors aren't that common yet, and they're outrageously expensive.
hiphopcr
Member
There's always someone who acts like Bloodborne is a system seller and doesn't only appeal to a niche demographic
Wonkytonky
Member
Evening.
FacelessSamurai
..but cry so much I wish I had some
That isnt even the only issue. I dont know of anyone besides myself that owns a gaming PC and a console at the same time. Very rarely imo do you see the average gamer owning both. They usually either game on PC, or on console and have a tablet or a cheap laptop on the side for web browsing. Everyone I grew up with that are now in their 30s exclusively game on PC except for 2 people, and all of them used to own consoles. No one buys a PS4 for a few exclusives except maybe for a few hardcore as most dont care and are perfectly happy in the PC master race world. People with 2000$ PCs dont need a console and dont care to buy one to experience a few extra games a year. Twitch streamers arent the norm by the way!
Fact is people usually only own one system. Only the hardcore will do the PC/PS4/Switch combo. People with tons of disposable income (aka adults) dont have time for 3 systems. I could own all of them, yet I chose only PC and Xbox One X as I simply dont have time with family, work and kids, and its the same situation for everyone I know my age.
DForce
NaughtyDog Defense Force
The point is, you're taking away reasons for someone to buy an Xbox One console.
I'm acting like Bloodborne is one of the best received exclusives this gen, which it is. Microsoft has not had one as well received on XB1.. to date?
Alebrije
Member
It's a new IP , hardly would be a system seller. But BB2 could.
Hope MS has new IPs for next E3. meanwhile the current catalog is nice specially if you own an XboneX. But if they keep with Halo, Forza, Gears....they are doomed. Variety / options to niche markets and mass markets are important these days.
JaxBriggs
Member
Louis Cyphre
Banned
Well when those 12 million PS4 owners finally realize that Call of Duty exists on the PC then your comment might become relevant to this discussion. There is a reason why Sony allows crossplay with the PC and wants to cock block users from playing with Xbox owners.
martinstraka8282
Member
They are doing "fine", but they have had a massive contraction in sales compared to last gen and if they were being candid, Microsoft would be the first to say that this is not how they wanted it to turn out. US they went from dominating to losing, WW got even worse, and they're only going to sell about half the total amount of Xbox Ones as 360's. Arguing about exclusives may be dick measuring, but its also disingenuous to paint the picture as something MS would be happy with hot off the heels of the 360's success. Just like Sony from PS2 to PS3, they've only got themselves to blame for not reading the market right and catering to it.
The contraction imo is more because of other factors mostly the botched launch, not because of lack of exclusives, but if they do want to take that market back from Sony in the future, it will be. Imo it's going to take intriguing buzz worthy exclusives like the 360 had. Games that make people want an Xbox over a PS. The kind of Rep Halo and Gears had back in the day. I'm not even going to argue PS first party is some amazing thing because for my interests, they've taken a massive nose dive over the years, but its not about list wars, its about gaining positive public perception that your console has a sales pitch, especially against a company that appears to get sales over their competitors just for being who they are.
Louis Cyphre
Banned
Which is why they need to stop going directly against the Playstation and start being different. That's how Nintendo manages to stay relevant. Sony has those relations with third party , they have a comparable online service now, they have franchises that can go against even Nintendo. They aren't going to close the gap unless Sony botches their next system which I doubt they will. Unlike Microsoft, Sony seems to learn from their mistakes.
martinstraka8282
Member
Agree completely. I love what they've done with their 360 BC (even though I hate the digital pricing system) and XoneX ideas, but that's not enough imo and is something too easily matched if Sony desired. Give us Halo, but not Halo, a new "Halo" phenomenon. Their current exclusive lineup feels more like "padding" than the "meat".
hiphopcr
Member
Name one.
Lort
Banned
Xbox has the best box, the best apps, the best online, the best pc connectivity (forza horison pc /xbox joining same game is seemless), the best graphics, the best backwards compatibility and great first party games.
Once an exclusive comes out that Sony people want ( other than PUBG, cuphead etc) theres going to be a lot of soul searching by the fanboys.
Once an exclusive comes out that Sony people want ( other than PUBG, cuphead etc) theres going to be a lot of soul searching by the fanboys.
DForce
NaughtyDog Defense Force
You're trying to convince others that exclusives don't play a big role in console sales and it's just not working.
Fact is, exclusives matter. Period.
If God of War and Spider-Man were on Xbox and PC, then it would give people reasons not to purchase a PlayStation console. The fact that these games are highly anticipated titles of 2018, it's only going to have a positive when it comes to console sales.
Most people buy games like Forza on the Xbox One platform, but its still a reason not to purchase an Xbox One console. The same logic applies to games like Final Fantasy 14, but the difference is that Sony is still releasing game that you can ONLY play on their platform.
martinstraka8282
Member
The best apps? You just uncovered a wound for me and my niche needs... i still cant find an app for playing my background music that doesnt crash constantly, isnt streaming service, or doesnt have ridiculous song/folder limitations
Microsoft stumbled with the always online kick, long load times, long install times, and required Kinect.... Their was a lot of hate in my purchase.
I loved the 360 so much...with the jrpg exclusives. It was ahead of it's time. It was the opposite of the Xbox One in every way...
One was more expensive, lacked first party, and lacked Japanese exclusives, and was less powerful....
Xbox One is a text book example of how you perminantly lost market share. Now that I can get Forza on PC... I am out.
I returned my Xbox One X.
If Microsoft wants back in the game, they need exclusives not on PC.
I have the most souped up PC you can imagine, and Horizon is still one of my favorite if not the best example of HDR done right. 6 of my top 10 HDR games are on Pro. None were the One X...this were PC.
The games I enjoyed are not getting sequels. The games I held out hope for were cancelled. I feel like all I got as a consumer was less, which got worse over time. The way things are going. I don't see myself getting the next Xbox. It'll be the first launch I completely avoided. That's how sour the Xbox One haa left me.
Louis Cyphre
Banned
You're now blurring the lines for why the PC impacts consoles while looking for any excuse there is no reason to own an Xbox One (which is sounding more and more personal as you post). If example A there is no reason to own an Xbox One because its also on the PC then why not just say if Spiderman and God of War were on the PC there is no reason for a PS4 instead of using the Xbox One in both situations? By combining the Xbox in example B you are just confirming that the PC argument isn't as strong as you'd hope. The fact is Sony sees the PC as a less competitive platform than the Xbox, thus why they support crossplay with it and not the Xbox. It also explains why the PS4 still sells a ton of software also available on the PC and why the Xbox One is still a viable choice for some, regardless of how much you want to hammer home the Xbox One is worthless.
JaxBriggs
Member
Killzone Shadow Fall for one, and it was available on launch day.
Seriously, at least Google some stuff first before making such ridiculous claims.
Steam hardware surveys show that the vast majority of users do not have PCs that can run current AAA games as well as an Xbox One X - or even an Xbox One.
The type of gamer who would post on a forum like this is more dedicated than the average player and is more likely to have a capable PC but in the real world most people do not have a gaming PC. Games available on both consoles and PC tend to sell far more on a single console than on PC. On top of that, it is safe to say that the Windows 10 store is not selling millions of games - the fact that Play Anywhere titles are mostly limited to Microsoft's games and whatever deals Microsoft can make with external studios is proof that people are not exactly flocking to PC to play games like Forza 7 or Halo Wars 2.
The consumer who is price conscious enough to wait for a console to be priced under $200 is not suddenly going to drop a few hundred dollars on a GPU capable of running these games at high resolution and frame rates.
DForce
NaughtyDog Defense Force
No, you're just getting really defensive.
No matter how you feel personally, there are people who are not buying an Xbox One because they have a PC. That's just a fact a simple fact. It doesn't matter how big or small the impact is, it's a reason why some people are not buying an Xbox One.
I said the same thing about PlayStation because they have games like SFV on PC, but you ignored it. People are not buying PS4 and XB1 because they can't play games at 60fps. Is it a huge impact? No, but it's a reason.
You want to prove exclusives don't have a huge impact by bringing up COD, which really is not working.
And Microsoft is completely fine with that. They don't care if you play their games on a condole or a PC.
DForce
NaughtyDog Defense Force
Of course they are.
Louis Cyphre
Banned
Not getting defensive at all but it's hard to have any meaningful discussion with someone who struggles to stay on point. Now you want to talk about 60fps games on the PC. What's next, Doodle Jump on cellphones and why they choose that over a Switch?
hiphopcr
Member
Lemme guess... your next claim will be Infamous. Then The Order. And then you'll get desperate and throw Knack in there before instantly regretting it.
"AAA"
DForce
NaughtyDog Defense Force
I have no problem staying on topic. You're just trying to make an argument out of everything, and it's really unnecessary.
I said PC gamers have a reason not to purchase an Xbox One because Microsoft are releasing their games on PC. If this is a legitimate reason, why argue with me about it? I said the same about PlayStation when games are released on PC, but you just want to focus on the Xbox. I never said it was going to have a huge impact, all I said was a REASON.
I used 60fps as example why PC gamers wouldn't purchase a console.
Gaf-Didact
Member
Halo has not been announced, they usually start pimping it the E3 before and rumors are that it slipped ot 2019. Sea of thieves looks boring and Crackdown is eventually going to get sent out to die. No news is bad news on Crackdown.
Liliana Eileen
Member
Yup. It's funny that some of the people with the most posts and contribution to this topic admittedly do not own an Xbox One if you read their post history (because they don't feel justified in buying one or some other) but want to keep beating a dead horse.
Cuphead and PUBG raking in tons of money for Microsoft and their developers (both breaking records in their respective categories) don't matter, because they're not 100% exclusive (even though Microsoft is the only reason they exist on console, and for Cuphead, at all). Ori, one of the best indies of the generation, is a Microsoft owned IP. It's on PC because they allow it, and profit from it. Bu-but, it's not exclusive! It's like these people who don't even own the console want me to feel bad because I'm playing a game on said console that can be played elsewhere. Like, why?
JaxBriggs
Member
Yeah I don't think we're going to see a new Halo announced and launched within the same year. I could imagine there being an announcement sometime this year (E3 no doubt) but see it likely being a 2019 release.
rokkerkory
Member
I think its rather sad for anyone to insist one platform or another isnt worth owning. Does nothing but a diservice to the industry. Excuse that platform a has zero games has always been false.
AltogetherAndrews
Member
Actually, that is precisely what it does. Well, the games may be compelling on their own, but when you stack libraries against each other which is what the article and this thread is actually about, the value of one certainly is relative to the value of the other. So Microsoft's library may seem compelling, if it existed in a vacuum.
AltogetherAndrews
Member
Bingo. It's not exclusive, and the argument that is at the base of the thread is that exclusives are important. So it's hardly shocking that people don't let a multi-platform release slide.
And while I DO own an Xbone, for this particular thread it's perfectly reasonable that those who have NOT bought one chime in, considering that the supposed worth of exclusives is at the core of the thread. I own one and I barely use it because it doesn't have enough games.
michaelius
Banned
Everyone with gpu worth 200+ $ has pc faster than 1X the only reason why those consoles look powerfull is because they target 30 fps and then use shitload of motion blur to mask it.
Sosokrates
Report me if I continue to console war
No it doesn't.
Like I said in the post you replied to, I will play sony Exclusives and play ms Exclusives because I enjoy them.
It makes no difference to me what the platform there on. There just games.
Heres an example for you.
Its June 2018
Ive been playing god of war for a couple of hrs, after dinner I dont feel like playing the intence , visceral experience that god of war is, so I load up sea of thieves and chill on the seas with some friends.
Will each game effect my enjoyment of the other?
No it wont, because they arr different experiences.
Deuterium
Member
Ummm, yeah...sure.
Lort
Banned
The best apps? You just uncovered a wound for me and my niche needs... i still cant find an app for playing my background music that doesnt crash constantly, isnt streaming service, or doesnt have ridiculous song/folder limitations
You have so many directories it crashes groove? Did you pay for all that music? Maybe you could try a streaming service and pay the artists who made all that music. ( they dontt get much but at least its something!)
I use spotify now and used to use Groove, and Airplay worked fine.
Xbox has bittorent, kodi, podcasts,upnp, radio players custom stream applications .. its no contest, xbox has way better and more diverse apps than playstation.
I notice noone argued with any single point i made about being the best box with the best online, game subscriptions, graphics etc etc ..
JaxBriggs
Member
Probably because it's actually off-topic.
Lort
Banned
Lol have you read the circle here.. it goes like this.. xbox has no exclusives .. except for the ones it does forza halo gears ori pubg cuphead .. those arent counted and PS4 is better because it has different exclusives .. then the argument becomes about why PS4 sold more initially when xbox had exclusives and ps4 had none .. ie Ryse sunset overdrive etc .. then people say oh its because Ps4 was cheaper and had better graphics .. bringing me to the point we are now at.
DForce
NaughtyDog Defense Force
To make this clear, I own an Xbox One console. It was the first console I purchase this generation. I've been mostly an Xbox gamer ever since the original Xbox came out. This generation, I enjoyed games like Killer Instinct and Quantum Break. I purchased Rise of The Tomb Raider because it was a timed exclusive to Xbox platforms and I didn't want to wait for the PC version.
I'm speaking from my own personal experience, but outside of Killer Instinct and Tomb Raider, I barely played my Xbox One this generation. I did, however, trade in my original Xbox because I won a free Xbox One S.
Ever since they announced play anywhere titles, my Xbox One console has become irrelevant to me this generation. This is my own personal opinion. I know people find enjoyment in the Xbox brand, over the PlayStation, Switch and PC - or maybe you guys just enjoy all four platforms.
I don't think the Xbox One is worthless, but I know that most people will pick the PlayStation 4 and Nintendo Switch instead of the Xbox One console. What some of us are saying is that they need more console exclusive games that are compelling enough to where people are going to go out and purchase one. The problem is that people are taking the the word "compelling" personally when we're talking about people who have NOT purchased an Xbox One console. So saying this doesn't mean you're a hater, it just means Xbox needs to improve a lot in this area. Either way, people WILL buy an Xbox One console, but they CAN improve in this department a lot.
AltogetherAndrews
Member
That's nice, and entirely irrelevant.
I am NOT saying that the games you listed are not compelling (that's just a matter of personal opinion), but I AM saying that if exclusives present and future are a thing, then your list it is not a compelling list of reasons to own the system when compared to other players on the market who have clearly focused far more on building up and diversifying a first party environment. As a list to support the idea that MS gives a damn about exclusive games, it's just not a good list which in my own opinion demonstrates why the system itself comes up short.
I really can't explain this any simpler, so either you get it or you don't. If your next response is going to be something along the lines of "I enjoy games no matter the platform" then don't bother. I do too, but it's entirely besides the point.
About that... one of the things you get when you actually foster strong internal development is a strong artistic stable and the means of translating this into design. This is one of the things that allows a game like BOTW to visually stand head to head (or well above) the best that you can see on machines with FAR more power. Artistry.
BOTW could of course look even better on the more powerful X1X, but no such game will exist on the system because there is no such talent. The same really goes for Uncharted or God of War, but with BOTW being on the "lesser" system I thought it made the best example.