I hate my generationI saw this on /tv/ of all places....astrology...FUCKING ASTROLOGY....not astronomy but fucking star signs.....
I hate my generationI saw this on /tv/ of all places....astrology...FUCKING ASTROLOGY....not astronomy but fucking star signs.....
Not sure what I'm looking at, what is this? Character Profile or something?I saw this on /tv/ of all places....astrology...FUCKING ASTROLOGY....not astronomy but fucking star signs.....
"But don't you SEE, that's exactly what us women have had to put up with for so many years!! The scales are finally tipping in the right direction and now you MRA misogynist alt-right gamergator nazis are speaking up??"I don't mind the strong female lead situation that is going on. What I do mind is that all the male leads in TLJ have been turned into one of the following: evil, in need of a lesson, incompetent, clowns or inconsequential.
That is where TLJ fails. They chose to shit on Luke Skywalker so that the "strong" females got to turn things around. I talked about TLJ with my nephews and all of them were unhappy with the result ("all the guys were lame").
I see she's a fan of Akuma.I saw this on /tv/ of all places....astrology...FUCKING ASTROLOGY....not astronomy but fucking star signs.....
Meh.I don't mind the strong female lead situation that is going on. What I do mind is that all the male leads in TLJ have been turned into one of the following: evil, in need of a lesson, incompetent, clowns or inconsequential.
That is where TLJ fails. They chose to shit on Luke Skywalker so that the "strong" females got to turn things around. I talked about TLJ with my nephews and all of them were unhappy with the result ("all the guys were lame").
What is this exactly?, is it an excerpt from a book?I saw this on /tv/ of all places....astrology...FUCKING ASTROLOGY....not astronomy but fucking star signs.....
Not sure what I'm looking at, what is this? Character Profile or something?
I see she's a fan of Akuma.
What is this exactly?, is it an excerpt from a book?
Wow, she was already bad in the movie, but the book fleshing her out makes it worse.
I read somewhere that Lucas Films also had a reshuffle and only 5 out of 30 lead people are male now, something like 6 out of 8 writers are female.
And Kennedy was handing out "the Force is female" T-shirts for staff to wear.
Now I have no problem with Women having important roles but with so many with that kind of mentality can't be good.
Wow, that must be embarrassing for Disney.
I know the "experts" will just use the "China doesn't like Star Wars" excuse, but could it just be they don't like bad movies?
Why would the Chinese dislike Star Wars but still like MCU movies? They didn't grow up with Iron Man or Black Widow, but yet they don't seem to have any problem enjoying those movies.
It would but it wasn't"I read somewhere" isn't the best source (although I'm also guilty of that sometimes), but wouldn't 4 out of 8 and 15 out of 30 be the perfect diversity?
At the end of the day, I don't think people really care so much whether a hero is male or female over a compelling and well-rounded story and character and somehow Lucasfilm under Kennedy seems to have lost sight of that.
Wasn't Rose to get more China money or are you /s ?Rose effect
Wasn't Rose to get more China money or are you /s ?
Not jumping down your throat but us asians are not all the same
The woman playing Rose is Vietnamese, also the interracial relationship wouldnt have gone over well in China either i imagine, they are like a vocal Japan when it comes to Africans dating asians/whites.
That bigotry coupled with the lack of a solid fan base in China and the film generally being a stinker sunk it.
Agreed, a lot of people like TFA and Rogue One and going into TLJ was like taking a blind right hook.At the end of the day, I don't think people really care so much whether a hero is male or female over a compelling and well-rounded story and character and somehow Lucasfilm under Kennedy seems to have lost sight of that.
Even Yoda is depicted as the weird and quirky version of himself he put on when he first met Luke in the original trilogy. He talks about all his failures. Tells Luke that Rey doesn't need any training. This is the guy who was literally on Lukes back training his ass in a swamp for months.
Meanwhile girl yoda... whatever her name is that tells them to go find the codebreaker.... is jumping around kicking ass.
The problem for me with TLJ wasn't the strong female lead(s), it was the portrayal of the male characters that I found troubling.
In TFA, while we do have a female lead, there are also competent and interesting male characters. Rey is awesome, but so are Han and Poe. So is Finn. Kylo, Hux and Snoke also seem like worthy adversaries, something that is demonstrated in the film itself.
Fast forward to TLJ, Rey is still awesome. Han is gone and basically replaced by Luke. Luke is weak and flawed (the "broken man"). While Han generally felt like "Han" in TFA, Luke is completely different in TLJ (total "character assassination). Everything that made him Luke is gone because he had some "rough years".
Finn ends up being Rose's pupil, Poe ends up being Holdo/Leia's pupil. On their own, Finn and Poe aren't able to do much (except "fail"), they only serve to elevate the female characters. Hux is turned into a clown and Snoke is easily dispatched. Kylo is the only male character that isn't a total joke (only partially).
There are core problems with both the frenetic pacing of the films (both films take place within a very compressed timeline) coupled with this attempt to usurp the hero's journey. ANH although Luke is the hero at the end, Obi-wan is the voice of wisdom that sets him on his path and sacrifices himself to save the others. There isn't that mentor figure in TFA for Rey, and the pace of the film never affords her the opportunity to evolve. TLJ doubled down on this mistake by continuing the storyline right off the bat, as if it were a TV series rather than a film franchise. This again robs them of the opportunity to evolve things, because they are beholden to a what is essentially a chase movie.Exactly. I like the idea of Rey as a hero. A lone abandoned girl forced to make her way through the world gets swept up in a big galactic adventure. It’s a great starting point. However we don’t get to see her struggle, we aren’t given a chance to relate to her and they make all the other characters, male and female, look inept compared to her. It feels more like we are going through motions than watching an adventure unfold.
Yoda was retarded Yoda from ESB mixed with revealed Yoda.And Yoda was the same Yoda in the OG trilogy. Extremely old, yet very wise. Is being wise now not a strong trait?
I don't understand how you can see Luke as anything but a failure after TLJ. Luke's resume post-Original Trilogy:Yall are weird man. No way I saw Yoda or Luke as weak. Yes Luke has been broken by his feeling that he let the galaxy down, but he found redemption in the end. He came through strong as ever! And Yoda was the same Yoda in the OG trilogy. Extremely old, yet very wise. Is being wise now not a strong trait?
That was an impassioned write up. It does seem to me that with the new Trilogy Disneys mandate for some twisted reason centres around destroying the very core of the old characters as if somehow that's a requirement for a successful handover in their eyes. I think it's a huge mistake. I hated the way they treated Han in TFA. The coolest cocksure guy in the galaxy turned into a down on his luck absentee father space grifter, who then goes out like a bitch to his psychotic son..... W T F?.I don't know who on earth ever thought that was somehow a fitting wrap up for one of Cinemas most iconic heroes.
You can start a new generation but there was no need to destroy the legends. Her directive is to let the past die, and probably save Disney a few pennies from paying those old dudes.
Yall are weird man. No way I saw Yoda or Luke as weak. Yes Luke has been broken by his feeling that he let the galaxy down, but he found redemption in the end. He came through strong as ever! And Yoda was the same Yoda in the OG trilogy. Extremely old, yet very wise. Is being wise now not a strong trait?
I don't understand how you can see Luke as anything but a failure after TLJ. Luke's resume post-Original Trilogy:
- Luke starts a school for Jedi and takes Kylo, his nephew, under his wing.
- Luke senses darkness in Kylo and contemplates murdering him in his sleep.
- Kylo wakes up at that moment and knocks Luke out. While Luke is out cold, Kylo proceeds to either A) recruit willing pupils or B) murder pupils who will not be turned.
- After this event, Luke buries his head in the sand. Kylo murdered his pupils and joined the First Order, where he will surely continue to commit atrocities against the galaxy. Instead of taking responsibility for the situation, Luke runs away to a remote planet.
That series of events paints Luke as:
- A coward who is unwilling to face and rectify the problems he is directly responsible for.
- A quitter who gives up at the first sign of trouble.
In TLJ, Rey goes to Luke looking for help. Luke refuses to help her. I can only assume Rey told him the following:
- The First Order, led by Snoke and Kylo (confirmed Force user), is threatening the galaxy. They have destroyed ~5 planets, killing billions(?), Kylo has murdered Han Solo, and the First Order is extremely interested in either A) converting Rey or B) killing her.
Luke's refusal to help at this point is astounding. Kylo Ren is HIS mess, his failure. Kylo and company are threatening the lives of not only the general population, but also the people Luke is supposed to love.
Luke's whole rationalization of "The Jedi must end" is beyond stupid. Just because Luke hides under a rock doesn't mean the other Force users are going to disappear (he can't just put the genie back in the bottle!). By refusing to train Rey, he is giving Snoke and Kylo a free pass to ruling. Luke is making sure that knowledge is only available to those who wish to do harm. Luke is basically okay with there only being Sith lords running things.
This makes Luke irresponsible (not taking responsibility for Kylo/Snoke AND not following the age-old Spider Man saying: With great power, comes great responsibility).
This also makes Luke arrogant. "The Jedi must end". Who is he to make such a call? Who is he to decide who is privy to such important knowledge? He talks about the failures of the Jedi order and their hubris, well, it appears he is a personification of both those things.
Rey finally gets tired of Luke's moping and titty milking routine and decides to go do something about the situation. Rey is courageous, she fights for the people she loves, she puts herself at risk. Chewie does the same thing. They travel to Crait to help their friends.
Luke deciding to show up in hologram form is hardly a redemption. Rey got him off his ass, but the fact is he spent way too much time with his head in the sand while the rebellion was being decimated. Buying the last ~20 rebels a few minutes is hardly noteworthy. Maybe Luke should have considered showing up sooner when there were a few more them.
I'm glad there are people that see Luke in TLJ in a different light, but to me they are the ones that are weird. The portrayal of Luke in TLJ is the single most damning element of the film. I can accept everything else, but the way Luke is treated is a disgrace. The way Rian Johnson decided to portray a childhood hero of many is a disgrace. He should create his own characters instead of destroying existing ones so they can fit his stupid narrative. Rian Johnson is trash-tier as far as I'm concerned.
I agree with you and gioGaf.
I put it down to Kennedy not understanding such fantasy lore.
You can start a new generation but there was no need to destroy the legends. Her directive is to let the past die, and probably save Disney a few pennies from paying those old dudes.
Yeah a hero needs to have these struggles to grow as a person and as a Hero. Rey has nothing like that so far. That is what makes her so boing IMO.Exactly. I like the idea of Rey as a hero. A lone abandoned girl forced to make her way through the world gets swept up in a big galactic adventure. It’s a great starting point. However we don’t get to see her struggle, we aren’t given a chance to relate to her and they make all the other characters, male and female, look inept compared to her. It feels more like we are going through motions than watching an adventure unfold.
Something I noticed in TFA is that she doesn't appear to have a life where she lives. In episode 4, quite a bit of time is spent establishing Luke and his life on Tatooine. He has a family, friends, a job; looks and feels like a desert farm boy and give the impression of being an actual person.Yeah a hero needs to have these struggles to grow as a person and as a Hero. Rey has nothing like that so far. That is what makes her so boing IMO.
I saw this on /tv/ of all places....astrology...FUCKING ASTROLOGY....not astronomy but fucking star signs.....
This is getting embarrassing....
First it was the Russians! Then the alt-right and now its just plain old misogyny
How fucking out of touch is Rian, Kathleen and Disney at this point?