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[Blood Borne]

I still don't understand why some gamers desperately want a PS5 as soon as possible. All you gonna get is COD BLOPS IIIII in 8k. Gamers should be demanding more creativity in game development.

PS4 still has plenty of life left in it. A talented game developer can still create some amazing games on it. More so, some game engines only just got made not too long ago e.g. God of War, hence, let game developers make as many games as they can using that engine, as opposed to making a new engine for next gen, therefore less games.

 

[magnumpy]

If you follow technology you can easily predict events and tactic used to ensure best possible scenario to ensure most units sold. If you know great "stop" that will happen right after 7nm, MS and Sony are competing for same market then you can easily put yourself in their shoes and try to answer simple question. When it is right to release new gen console ?

what kind of lame "predict"ion is that. for example today is wednesday, saying tomorrow will be thursday is a dumb sort of "prediction." I can predict far future events too: I predict in 10 years from today it will be 2028. trust me on this one

 

[thelastword]

Well if I was in charge of Sony I would want to let consumers as well as the competition believe that my next gen console is not coming for a long while...

With such news, MS can't really say anything different. If anything, they'll say they are 4-5 years out. How will XBONEX owners feel if MS lands XBOX TWO before PS5..? MS just released that console....

I believe November 2020 is a lock either way, PS4 has too much momentum, framerates and graphics on their games are great, framerates on third party titles are solid, people are satisfied with PS4's level of performance atm.....So Sony is in a good place, some of their biggest games are yet to come too.

 

[xviper]

good, it's still early for PS5

 

[TheMikado]

Maybe I'm confused but the article doesn't imply PS5 is 3 years away in fact is says other things.

Mr. Kodera said the company is looking at ways to better incorporate mobility into the PlayStation, traditionally a living-room console. Nintendo Co.'s popular Switch machine can be used both in the home and as a portable device.

Sony sells the hand-held PlayStation Vita, but Mr. Kodera said that when it comes to mobility, the company doesn't want to limit itself to a single dedicated device. "We need a broader perspective than that because so many things are now connected via the internet," he said.


Sounds like my PS5g I've been talking about.

 

[Dontero]

what kind of lame "predict"ion is that. for example today is wednesday, saying tomorrow will be thursday is a dumb sort of "prediction." I can predict far future events too: I predict in 10 years from today it will be 2028. trust me on this one

Because console generations follow technology. If you know what is up with current state of technology you can predict when it makes sense to release new consoles. After 7nm and new gpus on that 7nm there will be no significant improvement over course of next 3-4 years. Which means that if you for example are MS then you release console in 2019 and if PS4 will wait for example to 2020-2021 or even 2022 which some people suggest for some stupid reasons console released by that will be not much powerful than that released in 2019 which means that MS will have whole years for themselves and Sony will try to switch to PS5 they will find out that they will be facing 10-20 maybe even more already sold consoles AND no improvement whatsoever to convice people their platform is better.

Anyone who will release consoles after 2019 will be doing huge mistake that can lead to similar state of currect MS-Sony battle for 1st place.

 

[it_wasn't_me]

Why are people taking at face value Sony employe talking about their future products ?
Their goals is to sell for now PS4. Which means regardless of their plans for PS5 they will say PS5 could be even decades away because they want maximalize PS4 sales instead suggesting people they should wait for PS5.

IT is basically saying what Nintendo said about WiiU when there were releasing Switch. That they will still support WiiU same as 3DS. Not even a year later and WiiU support is completely dead with 3DS support dying as well as Nintendo moves everything to Switch trying to maximalize platform potential (forcing people to move from 3DS to Switch)

When will next generation begin will be dictated by technological progress and competition.
What that tells us ?

7nm node is effectively done and TSMC already is using it to make stuff while other big one GF is launching mass scale production early next year. This will also be timed with release of both Zen2 processors and Navi GPUs from AMD.
Thing is after than 7nm upgrade there is nothing on horizon to provide another jump like that. So by releasing in at the end of 2019 you are effectively locking up spec of consoles for next 5-7yeras and you are first to market.

Which means both MS and Sony will release their consoles when 7nm will be ready along with AMD new architectures which means end of next year. What is more important both Sony and MS will be looking at situation where they will be using effectively same architecture for the first time ever going from previous gen to next gen, which means they will be able to even release PS5 games that could potentially work on PS4s same way PC games work on lower hardware and it is something which both MS and Sony looks for going by some interesting interviews.

By 2020 or 2021 there will be literally nothing that would improve performance of console which compared to 2019. For significant upgrade you would need to wait at least to 2022 which would be almost 9 years and longest gen ever.

Other than 7nm delay (which seems impossible at this point) i don't see either MS or Sony waiting for 2020 or later.



Look at dates closely. March 2019, March 2021 etc

March 2019 effectively means 2018 sales as it is from march 2018 to march 2019. Which in this case means that they will be releasing console by holiday 2019 which would be in this chart march 2020 which would nicely correlate with chart because 2019 sales would still see PS4 nicely selling while they just release PS5 but 2021 sales on other hand would fall down because people would be moving from PS4 to PS5 and that means overall less games sold (which is prime income method for Sony)

2020 is left out for a good reason.

 

[A.Romero]

Maybe I'm confused but the article doesn't imply PS5 is 3 years away in fact is says other things.

Mr. Kodera said the company is looking at ways to better incorporate mobility into the PlayStation, traditionally a living-room console. Nintendo Co.'s popular Switch machine can be used both in the home and as a portable device.

Sony sells the hand-held PlayStation Vita, but Mr. Kodera said that when it comes to mobility, the company doesn't want to limit itself to a single dedicated device. "We need a broader perspective than that because so many things are now connected via the internet," he said.


Sounds like my PS5g I've been talking about.

It sounds to me like the ability to play playstation games in other platforms (like it is possible with the proper apps with PS4 + Android).

 

[TheMikado]

It sounds to me like the ability to play playstation games in other platforms (like it is possible with the proper apps with PS4 + Android).

So PS Now, which they killed on all its platforms except two.

 

[rokkerkory]

Good for Sony! I totally agree if it's 2020 or beyond.

Good for MS as well.

 

[A.Romero]

So PS Now, which they killed on all its platforms except two.

Yes, exactly PS Now.

It doesn't make sense to me to have a secondary SKU to be connected online on the go, specially after Vita.

I think Sony does the home console experience the best, no need to distract themselves with a market that is dominated by the competition and getting increasingly difficult because of iOS and Android.

The only way it makes sense for it to work is how they are doing it with PC: Pay for your PSNow suspcription and play on your PC device. I believe the only step that would make sense is to open PSNow or something similar to other devices based on iOS and Android.

We need to keep in mind that Sony is not saying "no comment" like most PR people would say when talking about rumours that could hurt their sales. They are straight up saying "it's not happening yet". If it is indeed happening in different conditions to what they are saying, they would need to present a convincing argument to their shareholders about why the change in direction happened. We have to remember that Sony is accountable to their shareholders and new platforms and such is critical information to decide to invest or not.

 

[Fbh]

Hopefully true. I feel like there's plenty of life in the PS4 and Xb1

By the end of last gen consoles were feeling pretty outdated, the difference with even a modest PC was often like night and day, games often had to be toned down to crappy resolutions and even then frame rate issues were the norm or features had to be cut (like less players in Battlefield). I think right now the PS4 and Xb1 still feel relevant and like they can keep up well with current games, and that's even more true for the pro and X.

 

[Imtjnotu]

Yup, I can definitely see GTA6 happening this gen now.

Lol I don't see this happening period

 

[Dontero]

2020 is left out for a good reason.

march 2020 in that chart would mean from march 2019 to march 2020 which means 2019 holiday release for new console.
It would also easily explain like i said before that drop in 2021 (which would be march 2020 to march 2021) because Sony earns most of its money from games sold and with new console it means less games will be sold + cost of producing milions of new consoles to saturate market.

 

[TheMikado]

Yes, exactly PS Now.

It doesn't make sense to me to have a secondary SKU to be connected online on the go, specially after Vita.

I think Sony does the home console experience the best, no need to distract themselves with a market that is dominated by the competition and getting increasingly difficult because of iOS and Android.

The only way it makes sense for it to work is how they are doing it with PC: Pay for your PSNow suspcription and play on your PC device. I believe the only step that would make sense is to open PSNow or something similar to other devices based on iOS and Android.

We need to keep in mind that Sony is not saying "no comment" like most PR people would say when talking about rumours that could hurt their sales. They are straight up saying "it's not happening yet". If it is indeed happening in different conditions to what they are saying, they would need to present a convincing argument to their shareholders about why the change in direction happened. We have to remember that Sony is accountable to their shareholders and new platforms and such is critical information to decide to invest or not.

What I’m saying is that Sony already had PSNow working on multiple platforms and rather than opening it up they closed it.

It wouldn’t make sense for them to open it up to close it just to open it up again.

 

[brap]

I hope this is true. This gen has been pretty disappointing thus far and I still don't have a PS4 because Sony had to fuck up their launch models. I don't see any good reasons to come out with a new console anyway. So we can play third person open world survival crafting games in 4k instead of 1080p? The graphics get better but the games sure don't.

 

[Breakage]

Lol I don't see this happening period

You don't see GTA6 happening this gen, or you don't see it happening at all?

 

[nath999]

I personally see no reason for a ps5 yet. I feel like we haven't reached that point the previous gens were at where you knew the hardware was really outdated and holding back developers. I hope they hold off on new consoles long enough for 4K 60FPS to be a reality.

 

[REDRZA MWS]

march 2020 in that chart would mean from march 2019 to march 2020 which means 2019 holiday release for new console.
It would also easily explain like i said before that drop in 2021 (which would be march 2020 to march 2021) because Sony earns most of its money from games sold and with new console it means less games will be sold + cost of producing milions of new consoles to saturate market.

PS4 hardware wont instantly drop off first year ps5 hits retail. Price cuts, huge install base, not to mention if ps5 is fully bc then ps4 games will still sell on all platforms

 

[xwez]

Well if I was in charge of Sony I would want to let consumers as well as the competition believe that my next gen console is not coming for a long while...

This. Don't want to leave a bad impression for those who have invested in a PS4/Pro and think sony is dropping support. Conversely, you want to convince those sitting on the fence, as to whether or not to get a PS4/Pro, that the PS5 isn't launching until 2021 or whenever. Smart move.

I would take what they said here with a grain of salt. I bet it will launch earlier that the projected 2021 date.

 

[NahaNago]

I really thought it was releasing at the end of 2019 or early 2020. Well in my opinion this is good thing since we would want to wait for the hardware to be more than just a 4k version of the ps4 without any more power to do anything else. Plus it would give them time to study steam and xbox non-gaming software additions. My biggest hope is very lifelike towns beyond just looks . I've been hearing good things concerning red deads towns implementation but I would like it to be a lot easier and the norm for all games to be able to tackle it .

 

[J4K]

I still don't understand why some gamers desperately want a PS5 as soon as possible. All you gonna get is COD BLOPS IIIII in 8k. Gamers should be demanding more creativity in game development.

PS4 still has plenty of life left in it. A talented game developer can still create some amazing games on it. More so, some game engines only just got made not too long ago e.g. God of War, hence, let game developers make as many games as they can using that engine, as opposed to making a new engine for next gen, therefore less games.

We're going to get COD BLOPS XXX no matter what system we're on. It literally makes no difference.

At least with a new generation of systems we'll get improved CPUs that will allow for that exact creativity you're talking about.

 

[NickFire]

I still think late November / early December 2020. Its 2.5+ years away (might it be longer on a fiscal basis?). Saying 3 is just rounding / not giving MS an exact date.

 

[cryogenic7]

I don't buy this. Expect Ps5 by November of next year.

Yep

 

[Imtjnotu]

You don't see GTA6 happening this gen, or you don't see it happening at all?

This gen. It took them 5 years to give us red dead. I hope they do not pull the shit they did last gen releasing two months before PS4. Wait for next gen and release it then.

Unless ps5 is backwards compatible, then I will not have these feelings and be OK with the end of this gen

 

[Strife In a Teacup]

I'm fine with that.

 

[Silver Wattle]

Article title is clickbait, the 3 years before PS5 is not what was said.

Anyway, PS5 = Late 2020, As 7nm gets a bit cheaper and low cost HBM will be in mass production.
PS5 Pro = 2022 on 5nm+.

 

[IbizaPocholo]

https://www.polygon.com/2018/5/22/17379880/ps4-life-cycle-ending-psn-psvr

 

[Texas Pride]

Well if I was in charge of Sony I would want to let consumers as well as the competition believe that my next gen console is not coming for a long while...

This. Sony isn't going to tell their competition when they're going to launch the PS 5. If you believe this now you'll be surprised in 2019-2020.

 

[Pallas]

With such news, MS can't really say anything different. If anything, they'll say they are 4-5 years out. How will XBONEX owners feel if MS lands XBOX TWO before PS5..? MS just released that console....

I believe November 2020 is a lock either way, PS4 has too much momentum, framerates and graphics on their games are great, framerates on third party titles are solid, people are satisfied with PS4's level of performance atm.....So Sony is in a good place, some of their biggest games are yet to come too.

As an Xbox One X owner (I can’t speak for all) but I would be ok if they released their next console before Sony. You have to remember that the OneX isn’t their mass produced console, it’s still very niche. It’s catered to those who seek the best power and performance console wise.

I would not be surprise if Microsoft releases theirs first to catch the momentum earlu on, god knows they could use.

 

[demigod]

I could see new XBox Fall 2020, new PS5 Spring 2021, to give them some time so they don't directly have to battle on the shelves right off.

Not a chance Sony lets them release early again. The longer the gen the bigger the graphical gap there is against PC. The latest i can see PS5 coming is spring 2020. Im still predicting 2019.

 

[Pallas]

I don't buy this. Expect Ps5 by November of next year.

I don’t think Sony would lie about their plans, especially if it’s to their investors. That’s kind of illegal, so I’m not calling it a bluff. Now plans can change and they do a lot but as of right now, we are 3 years away from their next console potentially.

Not a chance Sony lets them release early again. The longer the gen the bigger the graphical gap there is against PC. The latest i can see PS5 coming is spring 2020. Im still predicting 2019.

I don’t think Sony can do anything about it if Microsoft decides to release their next generation console before them. Let’s not pretend that Xbox 360 releasing a year before the PS3 was the only disastrous reason for their bad start that generation.

 

[Panajev2001a]

I don’t think Sony would lie about their plans, especially if it’s to their investors. That’s kind of illegal, so I’m not calling it a bluff. Now plans can change and they do a lot but as of right now, we are 3 years away from their next console potentially.



I don’t think Sony can do anything about it if Microsoft decides to release their next generation console before them. Let’s not pretend that Xbox 360 releasing a year before the PS3 was the only disastrous reason for their bad start that generation.

To be fair, they never unequivocally stared whether they would launch a new console in three years or not. The y said that they want to spend time to prepare for their next platform evolution, but they also stated that a platform for them is much more than just a HW launch.

So, nobody could sue for being misled if they released a new console in 2020 or 2019 or 2021 IMHO.

 

[Ar¢tos]

2021 seems a bit late. Current gen cpus are already holding back games a lot.
At least it will be Zen2 by then. Hopefully Psvr 2 releases at the same time, with decent specs.

 

[THE:MILKMAN]

Is/will there be audio or video of Kodera speaking? I feel like with Andrew House at the GamesBeat summit his words may be being horribly misinterpreted.

I seriously doubt PS5 will be 2021 or later.

 

[Reichpop]

I just bought my PS4 this past February, I don't know how to feel, good I guess? it's way too early for a PS5

 

[IncognitoPanda]

This gen ain't going nowhere till GTA6 and Skyrim 2 are released.

Soo, in 5 years time?

 

[THE:MILKMAN]

I just bought my PS4 this past February, I don't know how to feel, good I guess? it's way too early for a PS5

Have to say that is pretty poor/selfish attitude. If you only just bought a PS4 in February then why not just wait until year 5 for PS5? Never understand those that choose to jump in much later be the ones to complain the loudest
when the replacement is on the horizon a year two in the future!?

 

[Dontero]

PS4 hardware wont instantly drop off first year ps5 hits retail. Price cuts, huge install base, not to mention if ps5 is fully bc then ps4 games will still sell on all platforms

They take into equation that PS4 will be sold less because people will be tired of PS4 same as every other generation when console end its life.

 

[MilkyJoe]

Remember all those guys saying we were mad to say 2021, and were adamant it was 2019?

 

[Justin9mm]

We need to wait until at least end of 2020 so they can actually provide us with a proper generation leap. The hardware to do that is too expensive right now in the console price range. It's also not needed as we still have some great games coming that are still pushing the PS4 to it's limits. They are on top right now and there is still some life left. They can take time to definitely get the next one right with the right hardware and lead again next generation. Sony are in a good place right now. They just need to keep focusing on us gamers and not fuck it all up!

 

[THE:MILKMAN]

Remember all those guys saying we were mad to say 2021, and were adamant it was 2019?

I still say 2021+ is crazy talk. Interesting too that the one financial year missing in the graphs is March 2019 to March 2020. The loss incurred here could point to PS5 release?

 

[daibaron]

As an Xbox One X owner (I can’t speak for all) but I would be ok if they released their next console before Sony. You have to remember that the OneX isn’t their mass produced console, it’s still very niche. It’s catered to those who seek the best power and performance console wise.

I would not be surprise if Microsoft releases theirs first to catch the momentum earlu on, god knows they could use.

I agree ms should do that if sony sticks with 2021 release.

But if what sony are saying is that ps5 is only for 2021, that doesnt mean ps4 and xone will not be "dropped" before that. If games start being deveoped with pro and 1x as base platforms we will see a tangible increase in graphical quality when aimed at 1080p, with ps4 and x1 running shitty 720p or sub720p versions of the games.

How can people say ps4 still looks strong without toned down games? Look at happened with assassins creed in 2014! I defend that gtsport has a bit better graphics overall than forza. But gtsport is not something to write home about, with a ps5 the vision of having dynamic weather, dynamic time of day with real time global ilumination together with current gtsports graphics levels could finally happen. I played a lot of gtsport, but when i was playing the great GT6 with all its great features i would never have imagined gtsport/7 would be one step forward and three steps back. It is the summary of this generation, essentialy a good jump in lighting and a bit better IQ, while all the rest stayed stagnant or got worse.

 

[gunslikewhoa]

Why are people taking at face value Sony employe talking about their future products ?
q

because it would probably violate deceptive practice law to lie about it

 

[Red Crayon Aristocrat]

Good, there's no need for an all new gen for a while, another 3 years sounds perfect.

Anything less than basically photorealism would not be enough of a leap to justify it in my opinion, I fully expect a PS5 to feature photorealistic graphics (or at least very, very close)

So the more time they have to get to that point the better.

 

[MilkyJoe]

I still say 2021+ is crazy talk. Interesting too that the one financial year missing in the graphs is March 2019 to March 2020. The loss incurred here could point to PS5 release?

It'll probably be 2nd or 3rd quarter 2021. I didn't think for one second we were getting a 6 year cycle, not with the costs involved this gen.

Good, there's no need for an all new gen for a while, another 3 years sounds perfect.

Anything less than basically photorealism would not be enough of a leap to justify it in my opinion, I fully expect a PS5 to feature photorealistic graphics (or at least very, very close)

So the more time they have to get to that point the better.

The longer they leave it the better machines we get next gen. X1 and Pro are good enough for where we are. (and we probably won't get 60fps next gen either, before anyone says)

 

[bitbydeath]

Actually I’m back on the 2019 train again. End of 2019 and end of 2020 are conveniently left out.

You’ll notice March 2021 is too swift a recovery if it were to launch end of 2020 if you base it on previous launches.

 

[Breakage]

This gen. It took them 5 years to give us red dead. I hope they do not pull the shit they did last gen releasing two months before PS4. Wait for next gen and release it then.

Unless ps5 is backwards compatible, then I will not have these feelings and be OK with the end of this gen

I think Rockstar will do what they did with V. Dropping V two months before the current gen didn't stop it from doing big numbers. Technically, they've yet to release a current gen GTA built from the ground up. I just don't see them skipping an entire gen and a 100m+ combined console userbase. The news that PS5 is 3 years away only reaffirms my belief that GTA6 will be a current gen game.
I guess we'll just have to see.

 

[Nicktendo86]

I know some would be disappointed but I would love this personally as my circumstances is, with my daughter finally eligible for some free childcare this year and then starting primary school next year I am going to actually see some disposable income in my bank soon for the first time in what feels like forever and will actually be able to afford stuff like videogames again. 2021 would be perfect please!

 

[TheMikado]

Actually I’m back on the 2019 train again. End of 2019 and end of 2020 are conveniently left out.

You’ll notice March 2021 is too swift a recovery if it were to launch end of 2020 if you base it on previous launches.

Exactly this is why I’ve been leaning to 2019. Everything from the tech and timing lines up.