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[Cosmogony]

That's not what's happening. There is no "party line." That's some bullshit you came up with.

I'm not banned and I've done nothing but vehemently disagree with the radical defenders of Price in that thread.

There's no Party line?
Just wait until you start challenging some of the underlying assumptions. Maybe you're not inclined to question them, but at least do review examples of moderation in that thread that have already been quoted verbatim around here . If you still can't see it then I'm afraid there's little I or anyone else can do.

 

[Deleted member 17706]

There's no Party line?
Just wait until you start challenging some of the underlying assumptions. Maybe you're not inclined to question them, but at least do review examples of moderation in that thread that have already been quoted verbatim around here . If you still can't see it then I'm afraid there's little I or anyone else can do.

Speak more concretely. I've been active over there since the beginning and on GAF since 2006 and disagree with what I think you're saying.

 

[Scopa]

Speak more concretely. I've been active over there since the beginning and on GAF since 2006 and disagree with what I think you're saying.

There are multiple examples posted in this thread. You did read the thread before passing judgement on it, right?

 

[MrHeisenbird]

I've witnessed the mod team specifically target people trying dismiss the irrelevant topics surrounding Price's firing.

Apparently believing that GG and gender had nothing to do with her firing (the truth) somehow translates to downplaying women's mistreatment in the industry - making you a misogynist.

Honestly, they lie to themselves about GG every waking moment of their existence and try to blame everything wrong with the industry on the movement. GG ended 4 years ago for fuck's sake.

 

[prinz_valium]

It's not one-sided at all like you're making it out to be. Stop looking for sensationalist posts (the "fucking creep" poster you're referring to was banned, by the way) and maybe read some of the other ones? The debate is pretty split with tons of people not on the side of saying Price was discriminated against because of her gender or that Deroir is a GG'er or whatever.

As an aside, it's a bit sad to see every hot topic thread on GAF these days turn into a "let's look how Era is discussing the issue" discussion. It's eerily similar to that forum that started up years ago made up of banned GAF members who spent their time talking about how shitty GAF is and using dumb slurs like "NeoFAG."

That's not what's happening. There is no "party line." That's soere me bullshit you came up with.

I'm not banned and I've done nothing but vehementhly disagree with the radical defenders of Price in that thread.



You're right and those people are being called out by myself and others.

I think you're totally missing the point here. At least my point.
Nowhere was it said or even implied, that you get banned or not banned if you side with her or the employer and express that.
There're hundred of people who have different opinions on that and didn't get banned.

But there is a clear "party line" on social issues and politics, how and if you're allowed to post that, and that either gets you most likely banned or let's you get away with it if you're on the right or wrong side.
This is perfectly shown in the picture. And you don't even need to be creepy, as all those posts are either nicely highlighted or mass quoted anyway
If you're a member of that side, you know that.

 

[Xaero Gravity]

Lol, guess I'll be hanging out here for a bit xD

My first ban for being a "misogynist" was wondering if certain women would be easier to romance in Kingdom Come: Deliverance based on their in-game social status. C'est la vie.

 

[CatCouch]

I've spent some time reading and watching coverage of this. I can say this has further damaged my already quite negative view of the gaming press, so much dishonesty. It's actually depressing to see so many writers aid Price in damaging her career. I imagine the hostile nature of her responses here will be a real hurdle for future employers. It's also pretty ridiculous how little coverage is being given to the man who was fired as well.

I can't say I feel sorry for her, though. Treating customers and fans in such a hostile manner is extremely off putting and any company standing behind her behavior would be very hard for me to feel good about supporting. I wouldn't be a fan of something that disparages me for being a fan very long.

 

[Lady Bird]

That's not what's happening. There is no "party line." That's some bullshit you came up with.

I'm not banned and I've done nothing but vehemently disagree with the radical defenders of Price in that thread.

And I was banned for merely stating the truth. My post was actually print screened in this thread. Got a "bark bark bark" as a reply. That person, apparently, didn't get anything.

 

[DeepEnigma]

That's not what's happening. There is no "party line." That's some bullshit you came up with.

I'm not banned and I've done nothing but vehemently disagree with the radical defenders of Price in that thread.

First of all, provide your receipts of what you are saying over there, because the no "party line" is the biggest disingenuous fallacy about that place

I decided to search the hashtag on Twitter and noticed this has been in a lot of the banned people's responses...

https://resetera.kiwifarms.net/

I guess somebody made a bot that tracks the mod bans and the reasons for banning (they ban a ton of people a day, wow), and you only need to look at the first dozen to see exactly where that place predominantly leans, and it used to be a bane for this place prior for quite some time.

Look at some of those bans, and you can't tell us that there is no party line or group think they want over there, lol.

There is very little room for actual discussion when it comes to politics, it's just nothing but pile ons and back patting. The mods actually put disclaimers with bullet list of what you're allowed to talk about and not talk about within thread OPs controlling the narrative right off the bat, lol.

 

[Xaero Gravity]

And I was banned for merely stating the truth. My post was actually print screened in this thread. Got a "bark bark bark" as a reply. That person, apparently, didn't get anything.

Lmao that "bark, bark, bark" person is for sure the one that reported me.

 

[SScorpio]

My only question is why do people try to have any type of discussion at that toxic cesspit? This site was destroyed for several years due to the same behaviour, so why are people going back like an abused girlfriend?

 

[joshcryer]

Zefah I saw your post over there at Era about the branching dialog options thing and I think a lot of people are ignoring the crux of the conversation. That guy was just suggesting a "catch all" type of approach. Sure maybe it came from ignorance (and actually I think Price made some really interesting and undoubtedly valid points in her thread), but he was just generalizing. Really lost opportunity in the original firestorm that started this all to discuss in depth how dialog and story can meld.

 

[prinz_valium]

First of all, provide your receipts of what you are saying over there, because the no "party line" is the biggest disingenuous fallacy about that place

I decided to search the hashtag on Twitter and noticed this has been in a lot of the banned people's responses...

https://resetera.kiwifarms.net/

I guess somebody made a bot that tracks the mod bans and the reasons for banning (they ban a ton of people a day, wow), and you only need to look at the first dozen to see exactly where that place predominantly leans, and it used to be a bane for this place prior for quite some time.

Look at some of those bans, and you can't tell us that there is no party line or group think they want over there, lol.

There is very little room for actual discussion when it comes to politics, it's just nothing but pile ons and back patting. The mods actually put disclaimers with bullet list of what you're allowed to talk about and not talk about within thread OPs controlling the narrative right off the bat, lol.

Wow that site is great. Especially the graphs:

They really started and advertised the Forum as a civil, welcoming and open place for everyone and every opinion as long as they're not obviously malicious and all that stuff.
But i totally felt how that shifted lately and this is the prove. Now they got back to "thought police" and being even worse than NeoGaf before the mitigation.

Here is the biggest point:
The number of posts and members between March and July isn't that much different.
36k members and 5 million posts at the beginning of March.
39.5k members and 10 million posts right now in mid July.
So i don't have data for that, but posts per user per day, should be pretty consistent, yet the bans and warnings massively increased.

 

[prinz_valium]

You can't edit posts after 30 minutes anymore?
Well in this case i have to double post:



As i said, numbers of post are linear increasing.
The poster per user per day are actually slightly decreasing.
The number of warns and banns are exponentially increasing.

 

[CatCouch]

That's a lot of bans. Even starting from April 21st, which seems to be when the scanning started, that is a noticeable increase in bans. Going from 250 bans on April 21st to 1846 by today is pretty enlightening. i'd definitely be afraid to have an account there considering the type of games I like and their consistent hostility towards them.

I wonder if ResetEra mods are aware of how many people they are banning cumulatively? It doesn't reflect well on the site, imo.

 

[Xaero Gravity]

That's a lot of bans. Even starting from April 21st, which seems to be when the scanning started, that is a noticeable increase in bans. Going from 250 bans on April 21st to 1846 by today is pretty enlightening. i'd definitely be afraid to have an account there considering the type of games I like and their consistent hostility towards them.

I wonder if ResetEra mods are aware of how many people they are banning cumulatively? It doesn't reflect well on the site, imo.

They have to be aware, but considering the people that made old GAF an insufferable community to interact with are the ones running ResetEra, it was only a matter of time before they reverted to their usual methods of social interaction.

 

[CatCouch]

They have to be aware, but considering the people that made old GAF an insufferable community to interact with are the ones running ResetEra, it was only a matter of time before they reverted to their usual methods of social interaction.

Seems like they are resetting! *ahem* Yeah, it does look like bans are ramping up. I occasionally read the site and it seemed noticeably more hostile today than I remember it being a month or two ago (they're still fighting about Gamergate seemingly just to have a reason to insult gamers even though nothing is happening). I browsed GAF here quite a bit over the last few years and Era looks like a straight replica of all the problems that ended in disaster here.

Discussing issues like the firing of Price seems impossible there. At least I can read and comment on it here!

 

[DeepEnigma]

That's a lot of bans. Even starting from April 21st, which seems to be when the scanning started, that is a noticeable increase in bans. Going from 250 bans on April 21st to 1846 by today is pretty enlightening. i'd definitely be afraid to have an account there considering the type of games I like and their consistent hostility towards them.

I wonder if ResetEra mods are aware of how many people they are banning cumulatively? It doesn't reflect well on the site, imo.

I googled the story behind that bot, and oh they are very aware. They filed a copyright claim against the person in hopes that would shut it down due to the URL was too similar, so he had to change it up. Now it's back and supposedly they are going to add even more features to the data it extracts.

 

[GhostOfTsu]

Zefah, you have to admit you have to be very careful if you don't agree that Price is a victim. Anything can get you banned if you are on the wrong side. Be careful if you reply to Subpar Spatula, the sjws are protected there no matter how unhinged and vile they are. They use the same tactics they did here for years, they bait you into getting banned

Price is not a hollywood heroine that finally stands up against her harassers after years of abuse. She was the bully and the harasser in this story and Era is turning her into the victim.

 

[Hendrick's]

I googled the story behind that bot, and oh they are very aware. They filed a copyright claim against the person in hopes that would shut it down due to the URL was too similar, so he had to change it up. Now it's back and supposedly they are going to add even more features to the data it extracts.

I think it's great. Whomever is behind that site is a genius. That toilet across the way can't hide behind righteousness when their hypocrisy is aggregated with graphs. lol

 

[MayauMiao]

Judging by the number of viewers likes / dislikes ratio, a couple of guys relatively new to the gaming scene was able to get more support than Giant Bomb in response to ArenaNet controversy. Not even GB's 235k followers give them enough likes to support their opinion.

Shows you how much Giant Bomb have lost touch with gamers.

 

[Hendrick's]

Judging by the number of viewers likes / dislikes ratio, a couple of guys relatively new to the gaming scene was able to get more support than Giant Bomb in response to ArenaNet controversy. Not even GB's 235k followers give them enough likes to support their opinion.

Shows you how much Giant Bomb have lost touch with gamers.

Those guys are garbage regardless of their poor take here. A bunch of out of touch old guys who lost their passion for gaming long ago.

 

[Dunki]

Judging by the number of viewers likes / dislikes ratio, a couple of guys relatively new to the gaming scene was able to get more support than Giant Bomb in response to ArenaNet controversy. Not even GB's 235k followers give them enough likes to support their opinion.

Shows you how much Giant Bomb have lost touch with gamers.

This is a bit misleading since they are a podcast afterall. However yes it seems like youtubers who report about gaming related stuff have much more views than bigger gaming sites and I think it is great since these people actually research stuff.

 

[Fuz]

Misoginy and sexism are the new "get-out-of-jail" card.

 

[oagboghi2]

I googled the story behind that bot, and oh they are very aware. They filed a copyright claim against the person in hopes that would shut it down due to the URL was too similar, so he had to change it up. Now it's back and supposedly they are going to add even more features to the data it extracts.

A copyright claim. How fucking pathetic

 

[Zaffo]

Misoginy and sexism are the new "get-out-of-jail" card.

We have been going at this for years, if anything incidents like this one are a sign that people are getting sick and tired of hearing accusations of misogeny, rape and abuse everytime something doesn't go according to the leftist agenda.

 

[Queso de Grande]

Geez. I didn’t want to pay attention to this, but it is being covered everywhere it seems.

The more I hear game journalists talk about this, the more insular they sound. Most of them have no idea how the world is outside of working for an internet site. If something like this happened in any other industry, it would be a nonissue. Your social media presence isn’t private or your own, you represent your company at all times (unfortunately). Hell, a previous job I had would fire you for anything you said about it online that was not approved by PR. Literally anything, be it good or bad.

 

[Zaffo]

The beastcast is failing common sense too, even after reading the source tweets live.

 

[Scopa]

The beastcast is failing common sense too, even after reading the source tweets live.

I stopped listening to them a while ago. SJW snoozefest. Although, I miss Dan and Jeff Bakalar, but whatareyougonnado?

 

[Three]

Why I keep my twitter account to just talking about how bad the train service I’m the U.K. is on a particular franchise

I assume this means you never want a job at SouthEastern. I hear the Unions are good. Southern suck too.

 

[jufonuk]

I assume this means you never want a job at SouthEastern. I hear the Unions are good. Southern suck too.

I wouldn’t mind working there tbh lol

 

[Reizo Ryuu]

On another note, Randy Pitchford chimed in over the weekend and his opinion seems to be that the firing was over the top, but she was definitely stepping over a line:




It's quite interesting to see him take that particular stance, considering her defenders' opinions seem to 100% be that Jessica is a victim who did nothing wrong and has not doing anything wrong in the past either. You would think they would be pretty upset at Randy for criticising her behaviour like that.

I agree with Randy here, there's a whole range of options between being cool with it and "you're fired"; sit down with your peeps, talk to them, coach them and work on being better.
In this case I don't think she got fired just because of these tweets though, HR at arenanet has probably been dealing with her shit for years.

 

[DeepEnigma]

I agree with Randy here, there's a whole range of options between being cool with it and "you're fired"; sit down with your peeps, talk to them, coach them and work on being better.
In this case I don't think she got fired just because of these tweets though, HR at arenanet has probably been dealing with her shit for years.

And without any information of what was going on behind the scenes, his comment comes off rather baseless. If that is the case, I expect Gearbox to never have fired, or let anyone go, since, you 'rally around the family' and all. /s I.e., some people are incapable of being taught or refuse to accept criticisms for their poor behavior. Pride before the fall, and all that.

Where is his comment about the male colleague that was canned too? Or is this just more virtue signaling moments in the industry?

 

[Dunki]

I agree with Randy here, there's a whole range of options between being cool with it and "you're fired"; sit down with your peeps, talk to them, coach them and work on being better.
In this case I don't think she got fired just because of these tweets though, HR at arenanet has probably been dealing with her shit for years.

The CEO said they were aware of these tweets when it did happen. But they could not react until July 5th. However they also noticed how her tweets and accusations went worse during that time which lead to here firing. It was just too much for such a community driven company. You can not be an asshole to your community when you have a MMO. That will and did never work.

 

[Ogbert]

For what it's worth, I think she sealed her fate when she retweeted his message and cast him to her following wolves.

She would have survived being a dick, but she wanted her mob to take him down.

Everyone loves a mob when it's on their side.

 

[DeepEnigma]

Uh... what? (to the ban)

Spoiler

No, no narrative or party line over there, at all.

 

[lifa-cobex]

 

[Helios]

Uh... what? (to the ban)

Spoiler

No, no narrative or party line over there, at all.

At this point I'm not quite sure that they don't just use a bot to scan every post for certain keywords and just ban them with the same reason.

 

[Dunki]

Yep next year she will be working for waypoint.

 

[lifa-cobex]

Yep next year she will be working for waypoint.

heh

 

[BustahWooolf]

Judging by the amount of twitter posts and times of day, she couldn't have possibly ever had any time to work.

 

[JimmyJones]

Judging by the number of viewers likes / dislikes ratio, a couple of guys relatively new to the gaming scene was able to get more support than Giant Bomb in response to ArenaNet controversy. Not even GB's 235k followers give them enough likes to support their opinion.

Shows you how much Giant Bomb have lost touch with gamers.

Giant Bomb are irrelevant. I miss the old days with Rich Gallup on Gamespot.

 

[Lupingosei]

I think people don’t understand the rift between (Gamer Era / the general public) and (Activist Era / games journalist). You have to understand, they act according to the ideology and ideas they got at universities within the last decade and for them the whole thing is absolutely clear:

First:

For them Deroir is the offender

Because he invaded Jessica Price’s private twitter space, he pressured his opinion on her (she did not ask for feedback) and as a man he had power over her, so she was in every aspect the victim. She reacted like a lot of people would on a campus today. She was exposing him and for them she was right to do this. For most people this would be hard to understand; that is why the use this mansplaining terminology, but for them Deroir was overstepping and was insulting her. In the world of micro-aggressions, micro-invalidations and micro-insults there is no doubt about this.

Second:

As Price sad in her statement. Mike O’Brien was the second man with power attacking her. She says herself, he only did that to show dominance over her. Again this is with the line of think of a lot of game journalists, members of RestEra and also at college campuses. And because as explained before, she was the victim of all of this, her firing was unfair. In their world, O’Brien not only should have supported Price, but also ban Deroir from Guild Wars and the community. Also protected her from the hate mob and the community.

Third:

For people outside this is very hard to understand and a lot of people would probably call this crazy. But for them this is self-evident, that is also why there is this rift between Gamer Era and Offtopic Era. Outside the university bubble this is very hard to understand, but this is reality within a big part of the education system now. Without the proper context it is hard to understand the whole dynamics which are clear for them and how all of this was handled wrong by Arenanet.

 

[Schrödinger's cat]

Lupingosei - Thank you for that breakdown. Whilst I don't subscribe to that perspective myself it helps me get a better understanding of the concerns from those that do.

 

[DeepEnigma]

I think people don’t understand the rift between (Gamer Era / the general public) and (Activist Era / games journalist). You have to understand, they act according to the ideology and ideas they got at universities within the last decade and for them the whole thing is absolutely clear:

First:

For them Deroir is the offender

Because he invaded Jessica Price’s private twitter space, he pressured his opinion on her (she did not ask for feedback) and as a man he had power over her, so she was in every aspect the victim. She reacted like a lot of people would on a campus today. She was exposing him and for them she was right to do this. For most people this would be hard to understand; that is why the use this mansplaining terminology, but for them Deroir was overstepping and was insulting her. In the world of micro-aggressions, micro-invalidations and micro-insults there is no doubt about this.

Second:

As Price sad in her statement. Mike O’Brien was the second man with power attacking her. She says herself, he only did that to show dominance over her. Again this is with the line of think of a lot of game journalists, members of RestEra and also at college campuses. And because as explained before, she was the victim of all of this, her firing was unfair. In their world, O’Brien not only should have supported Price, but also ban Deroir from Guild Wars and the community. Also protected her from the hate mob and the community.

Third:

For people outside this is very hard to understand and a lot of people would probably call this crazy. But for them this is self-evident, that is also why there is this rift between Gamer Era and Offtopic Era. Outside the university bubble this is very hard to understand, but this is reality within a big part of the education system now. Without the proper context it is hard to understand the whole dynamics which are clear for them and how all of this was handled wrong by Arenanet.

TL;DR version with their mindset...

You cannot engage in public discourse with a woman if you identify as a man, otherwise, you are dominant, attacking, and using your patriarchy over her, no matter how polite and tactful you are being.

Even if she is in a position of power on a hierarchy chart above you. Untouchable, unaccountable, and infallible to any wrong doings on their part.

This is delusional, and goes against every fiber in human interaction, discussion, or harmony of species. No wonder people in a time of more social connectivity, can't even function on a basic level of discourse anymore. It just further emboldens the already inflated human ego.

Divide & Conquer, United we Stand, Divided we Fall.

 

[Dr. Claus]

I think people don’t understand the rift between (Gamer Era / the general public) and (Activist Era / games journalist). You have to understand, they act according to the ideology and ideas they got at universities within the last decade and for them the whole thing is absolutely clear:

First:

For them Deroir is the offender

Because he invaded Jessica Price’s private twitter space, he pressured his opinion on her (she did not ask for feedback) and as a man he had power over her, so she was in every aspect the victim. She reacted like a lot of people would on a campus today. She was exposing him and for them she was right to do this. For most people this would be hard to understand; that is why the use this mansplaining terminology, but for them Deroir was overstepping and was insulting her. In the world of micro-aggressions, micro-invalidations and micro-insults there is no doubt about this.

Second:

As Price sad in her statement. Mike O’Brien was the second man with power attacking her. She says herself, he only did that to show dominance over her. Again this is with the line of think of a lot of game journalists, members of RestEra and also at college campuses. And because as explained before, she was the victim of all of this, her firing was unfair. In their world, O’Brien not only should have supported Price, but also ban Deroir from Guild Wars and the community. Also protected her from the hate mob and the community.

Third:

For people outside this is very hard to understand and a lot of people would probably call this crazy. But for them this is self-evident, that is also why there is this rift between Gamer Era and Offtopic Era. Outside the university bubble this is very hard to understand, but this is reality within a big part of the education system now. Without the proper context it is hard to understand the whole dynamics which are clear for them and how all of this was handled wrong by Arenanet.

Do you know what we call those people who subscribe to such an absurd mindset? Batshit crazy.

 

[Xaero Gravity]

Heh, my ban was changed to a permaban. Oh well, just means I no longer have to go there out of habit.

 

[NickFire]

So after reading into this the first dev seems rather unhinged and over the top to me. But still, this whole firing to please twitter mobs needs to end. Its a cancer on our society.

 

[Dr. Claus]

So after reading into this the first dev seems rather unhinged and over the top to me. But still, this whole firing to please twitter mobs needs to end. Its a cancer on our society.

Nobody was fired because of "Twitter mobs". People were fired for poor customer relations and insulting known members of the community while making baseless accusations of sexism and misogyny.

 

[NickFire]

Nobody was fired because of "Twitter mobs". People were fired for poor customer relations and insulting known members of the community while making baseless accusations of sexism and misogyny.

Fair enough.