michaelius
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now if we could stop console store owners from being gatekeeping prudes it would be even better
I think he is making a good point. You don't kill people in games because you feel motivated to kill a human. You will watch porn and probably play porn games because you are motivated by horniness.
I don't think you can make this claim. Divorce rates are hard to measure in general.
Right.
Again, to be completely fair -- these games do not seem to be non-stop hardcore cartoon sex. But let's call a spade a spade.
So are you saying that porn and masturbation helps marriages? I really don't think so. If you are there intimately only for your spouse it should make sex all the more special.
Okay, and while I personally do not care for those types of games (the sex ones), how is that any more self harming than witnessing the violence (and some extremely graphic in today's games)? They both feed the same dopamine releases in the brain. One is an adrenaline rush of killing another player or NPC, the other is an adrenaline rush of climax.
I would not be super concerned if I had a child that played nothing but CoD, in that I'm not overly concerned that its going to make them more violent. If they played nothing but hentai porn games, I might question what is going on in their head a bit more. They don't feel the same to me, the motivation for the porn games is generally "I'm horny" (unless as I mentioned above, people are seriously playing these things for the art appreciation and the stories, which I am skeptical of), whereas the motivation to play violent games, I suspect, is less "I want to watch a human die by my own hand" than it is "I want to have fun with these gameplay systems."
If you want to know what your spouse likes in the bedroom, why not just talk about it? You don't have to stimulate yourself on other people. Believe it or not, women tend to like guys who they can rely on in a relationship.Yes it can definitely help with a marriage, eases up on talking about fetishes or watch it together. Finding out what your SO likes plays a big part in intimicy. And if the sex drives of the partners don't match up, what's wrong with one of them masturbating?
Anyway I'm 100% fine with this decision, it's not for me but there's no harm in having it either for the people that want it.
How is my beliefs hurting marriages?Well, that´s usually the data.
Education helps marriages, beliefs like yours are in the way of proper education, divorce goes up. Didn´t someone said something like "first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye"?
It's not really the first, House Party has been in early access for a while. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
If you want to know what your spouse likes in the bedroom, why not just talk about it? You don't have to stimulate yourself on other people. Believe it or not, women tend to like guys who they can rely on in a relationship.
Masturbation is the act of self stimulating and releasing. In my faith it is sinful as it is selfish. Sex is supposed to be a self giving action and when you give to no one and use your sexual gift only for yourself you are being selfish. Don't you want to be intimate with your spouse instead of self stimulating?
This makes me laugh, because the horniness is more natural biologically. The FPS aspect, there are a wealth of games you can play that offer "for the fun of it" that does not require maiming and/or killing other humans or animals. But if you crave the latter, violence is overlooked, but hormones going crazy and wanting to get off without actually coming home to you and being a 14 year old daddy/mommy is problematic?
I think they both have similar parallels, it is just what society deems more acceptable or not through generations of conditioning.
I dunno man, I do think that it is funny and odd how we've made violence sexy and fun through our entertainment forms over the years. I personally am not fully desensitized, I watched Midnight Meat Train last year and almost lost my lunch at the end. I do not understand this culture's fascination with gore at all. People who are way into zombies and do zombie walks and shit make me uncomfortable honestly. Lol yeah it's so cool that it looks like you're tripping over your entrails and you just threw up blood all over yourself!
It's just my personal opinion that too many violent videogames is not really going to do all that much to you, except take time away from your life you could have been doing other shit. I feel like watching a lot of porn has the potential to cultivate more antisocial behaviours. I kind of changed my opinion on porn after reading the book Your Brain on Porn (https://www.yourbrainonporn.com/).
I know there are parental filters for adult content online but it's not so easy for videogames. Many parents don't have problems with mature games but they probably would with pornographic ones. This is something entirely new because retailers would not be carrying these titles.
Masturbation is the act of self stimulating and releasing. In my faith it is sinful as it is selfish. Sex is supposed to be a self giving action and when you give to no one and use your sexual gift only for yourself you are being selfish. Don't you want to be intimate with your spouse instead of self stimulating?
I am definitely agreeing with you on the porn aspect, but I also feel too much exposure to violence has an impact as well that we all seem to brush off. Your first example and many others like it for instance.
that seems to be censored but with an official uncensor patch somewhere "hidden" in the forum. there are many games like that, but now they don't need to censor them anymore.It's not really the first, House Party has been in early access for a while. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
If violence was unimportant and it was just about the mechanics, then first person shooters (and third person shooters, too, of course) would not put so much emphasis on displaying brutality in all its details. Teen boys who play violent games are doing so, in a lot of cases, due to the violence. Also, I assume some of you were also young at one point? If I think back at my teenage years, the students my age celebrated games like GTA3 precisely for their violence and ruthlessness. Mechanically driven games with low amount of violence such as Nintendo games (except Pokémon for some reason) and Sonic were particularly laughed at by a majority of my classmates from age ~13-17, so appreciation for gameplay mechanics are not exactly what drove the majority of my classmates at the very least. Why would that change 15 years later?I would not be super concerned if I had a child that played nothing but CoD, in that I'm not overly concerned that its going to make them more violent. If they played nothing but hentai porn games, I might question what is going on in their head a bit more. They don't feel the same to me, the motivation for the porn games is generally "I'm horny" (unless as I mentioned above, people are seriously playing these things for the art appreciation and the stories, which I am skeptical of), whereas the motivation to play violent games, I suspect, is less "I want to watch a human die by my own hand" than it is "I want to have fun with these gameplay systems and my friends."
It's just my personal opinion that too many violent videogames is not really going to do all that much to you, except take time away from your life you could have been doing other shit. I feel like watching a lot of porn has the potential to cultivate more antisocial behaviours. I kind of changed my opinion on porn after reading the book Your Brain on Porn (https://www.yourbrainonporn.com/).
Agreed, perhaps the overexposure to violent media has led to more desensitization. Which I just personally find strange because in my own experience, as I get older I feel I am more impacted by depictions of violence than I was when I was younger.
Also, I assume some of you were also young at one point? If I think back at my teenage years, the students my age celebrated games like GTA3 precisely for their violence and ruthlessness. Mechanically driven games with low amount of violence such as Nintendo games (except Pokémon for some reason) and Sonic were particularly laughed at by a majority of my classmates from age ~13-17, so appreciation for gameplay mechanics are not exactly what drove the majority of my classmates at the very least. Why would that change 15 years later?
I think it goes in a wave. You have the shock and awe from when you first seen that stuff. Wether it was Solider of Fortune on the PC, or a Chechen/Russian beheading video. Then you have a point where you are desensitized and those things do not have the same gut wrenching impact. I noticed as I have aged, I am starting to tap into more of the empathy again. I never liked seeing it happen to animals however. That has always bothered me from a child to an adult, and even more so now than ever.
Rubbing one out also does not hurt anyone in reality though. It is similarly unlikely that someone is going out to rape a couple of women because he just played some porn game. Similar to the violent games, first and foremost it is a case of "wanting to play around". Just with the idea of sex rather than the idea of violence.I vividly remember when I was in high school, my friend got GTA3 the day it came out, and he had to work that night so he dropped it off at my house before his shift so I could try it. Literally like the first thing I did once you gain control in your little garage area, was to walk onto the street, and I kid you not, beat the fuck out of a random dude walking down the street for like 10 min with a baseball bat. Just laughing that the game let me do this lol.
You're right, we are certainly drawn to the more violent games, and we have fun with them. But I still think that the average person's motivation when wanting to play a game is not "damn I feel like fucking somebody up....I want some blood, I know, CoD", it's "I want to play around" - if that means some violence, cool. I cannot fathom someone seriously playing porn games unless they wanted to rub one out.
I mean, if you want to take your faith seriously, there's a whole heap of stuff that's sinful. Being gay, being a slave who doesn't obey his master, eunuchs, shaving your beard, female priests, etc. I'm not here to attack your faith, but boy, you're really not picking the best time to use it as an argument.Masturbation is the act of self stimulating and releasing. In my faith it is sinful as it is selfish. Sex is supposed to be a self giving action and when you give to no one and use your sexual gift only for yourself you are being selfish. Don't you want to be intimate with your spouse instead of self stimulating?
Rubbing one out also does not hurt anyone in reality though.
It is similarly unlikely that someone is going out to rape a couple of women because he just played some porn game.
Similar to the violent games, first and foremost it is a case of "wanting to play around". Just with the idea of sex rather than the idea of violence.
I mean what people do in their free time is their own business and no one wants to hear about it. The same can be said about people talking about killing and death all the time, and people who like to talk about killing people in video games.As I said before, I just don't think porn is healthy and perhaps we can agree to disagree on that point. I don't think masturbation is the most harmful thing out there, sure, but I wouldn't go around encouraging it either. I think it's inherently anti-social and should be avoided if possible. These are my own unpopular thoughts on the matter lol.
I would not make this argument.
Say what you will, there is an inherent level of shame attached to masturbation. I might expect kids to discuss amongst themselves how awesome the CoD match was light night, that killer headshot, how adrenaline pumping-ly (?) fun it was, etc. Do you think these sorts of conversations are had about the previous night's jerk sesh to the waifu?
Education helps marriages
I mean what people do in their free time is their own business and no one wants to hear about it. The same can be said about people talking about killing and death all the time, and people who like to talk about killing people in video games.
Ive never had conversations with people who want to sit down and talk about their dumb hentai games. Maybe its just you. If you have friends like that maybe you are just hanging out with the wrong type of peopleRight, of course sometimes people don't want to talk about some things, be it sex or games. But sometimes they do. I've had lots of next day conversations about multiplayer games with friends. And shit, even talking about sex you've had is a fairly common thing among friends. My point is I've never regaled anyone with tales of a fantastic pud pulling. I can't imagine anyone ever having those kinds of conversations, while sex and game conversations are very common.
Ive never had conversations with people who want to sit down and talk about their dumb hentai games. Maybe its just you.
Then why are you so worried about it? I think you are just being paranoid. Normal people don't have conversations about their hentai games in IRL. Im pretty sure hentai has been around since like the 80s. And those people know they will just be made fun of. If I had a friend come up to me and try to make me play one of those games, id never talk to them again.I didn't say that I did either lol?
If you don't have a spouse then I personally believe that you shouldn't be doing any sort of sexual activity. You know there are alot of people who live in chastity or want to be chaste?Damn man, chill. What about a guy/girl who doesn't have a SO/spouse? Is it still selfish?
Or sinful, for someone without a SO wanting to purchase and "enjoy" (in whatever way they want) a sexual focused video game?
Kind of sounds like you are attacking my faith by saying I believe in mosaic law (Which we don't).I mean, if you want to take your faith seriously, there's a whole heap of stuff that's sinful. Being gay, being a slave who doesn't obey his master, eunuchs, shaving your beard, female priests, etc. I'm not here to attack your faith, but boy, you're really not picking the best time to use it as an argument.
You can be intimate with your wife and your hand. I've been with my partner for five years and she's well aware that I'll jack off if she's not in the mood. I agree that when you start preferring masturbation while in a relationship, you've got a problem, but masturbation really isn't a big deal. I always say, if you're facing a tough decision, jack off first and then think about it. It's worked for me many, many times.
Sex is not about pleasure. I believe it serves two important purposes (reproduction and unity). Pleasure can certainly be a product of it and the pleasure is good, but it should be with a spouse. I eat to live, I don't have to have sex to live.Some people are afraid to talk about it, watching can be easier, not everyone is the same, watching porn together can be exciting and a new experience. I look at other women, I want my girl to look at other men too, and we can rely on each other that at the end of the day no matter what we see we still are together and are intimate with just ourselves or each other.
She is religious, I am not, we both masturbate, it's only natural and human, going against that is the wrong thing to do. Calling it sinful and selfish is just absurd. It's a pleasure thing, eating food when not hungry is also for pleasure, is that sinful and selfish too?
Sex is not about pleasure. I believe it serves two important purposes (reproduction and unity). Pleasure can certainly be a product of it and the pleasure is good, but it should be with a spouse. I eat to live, I don't have to have sex to live.
Unpopular opinion, probably going to be attacked. So I may be ditching this thread soon, peace.
Then why are you so worried about it? I think you are just being paranoid. Normal people don't have conversations about their hentai games in IRL. Im pretty sure hentai has been around since like the 80s. And those people know they will just be made fun of. If I had a friend come up to me and try to make me play one of those games, id never talk to them again.
who are these people you are talking about? Ive never met them. Normal people don't talk about their stupid porn games in real life. Theres been porn games before you were even born, on Atari 2600.Worried about what? We were discussing the harmfulness of violent games vs porn games. I didn't say people do talk about henai games IRL (I'm sure some do), I said they will maybe have conversations about the games they played last night, I didn't specify hentai games and in fact I was specifically talking about CoD. I tend to agree with you that people who discuss sex games in IRL are going to get weird looks. I also said people will often talk about sexual encounters they have had, it's fairly common. But not much masturbation story sharing for some reason lol. Hmm I wonder why that is.
I think there is a big difference pretending to kill imaginary people versus pretending to have intimate relations with an imaginary person. The intent and action is very different.
Why not? There is no positive correlation between porn availability and sexual assaults/rapes, let alone a cause-and-effect relationship between those variables.I would not make this argument.
Why not? There is no positive correlation between porn availability and sexual assaults/rapes, let alone a cause-and-effect relationship between those variables.
Worried about what? We were discussing the harmfulness of violent games vs porn games. I didn't say people do talk about henai games IRL (I'm sure some do), I said they will maybe have conversations about the games they played last night, I didn't specify hentai games and in fact I was specifically talking about CoD. I tend to agree with you that people who discuss sex games in IRL are going to get weird looks. I also said people will often talk about sexual encounters they have had, it's fairly common. But not much masturbation story sharing for some reason lol. Hmm I wonder why that is.
Correction: Education helps AVOIDING marriage.
Why not? There is no positive correlation between porn availability and sexual assaults/rapes, let alone a cause-and-effect relationship between those variables.
How is my beliefs hurting marriages?