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Redneckerz

Those long posts don't cover that red neck boy
I think that it is indicative of a certain confirmation bias wrt "Resetera apoligism". However, I must commend you for admitting to the misunderstanding. I did not feel it important to state in howfar the statement of the Resetera member was inappropiate, but to give you a clearer picture of my position on that: There are two issues with the statement, which are equally problematic to me, but when it comes to consistency, only the second is something that I would expect the person to respect as an issue.
(1) It is not OK to take allegations for a fact, we have courts for that.
(2) Even assuming Evilore is autmatically guilty, the accusation is not one of rape, but merely sexual harrassment, since he, according to the account of the accusant retreated upon rejection and there was no sexual intercourse.

There also is one thing that I might add which is not an issue with the rape point per sé but one with consistency. It was long well-known and publically stated by Evilore himself how he mistreated another woman at a bar. I would assume that both misdemeanors are pretty similar. While the uninvited assgrab may have less severity on its own when compared to coming nude into the shower, the person who Evilore allegedly got into shower with was much closer to him, so from my perspective at least, both stories are pretty similar in severity, context considered. Since no one seemed to have cared for the older, well-known incident (outside of Gamegate people that is) it is hypocritical to leave the forum because of new very similar allegations. Note that the prior incident was confirmed by Evilore to be true and he did not appear to have a bad conscience about it, so an argument of the kind "well, but he said he knew it was wrong, so I was shocked to hear it is actually a pattern" is invalid. Therefore, I think it should be irrelevant whether the second allegation is true, with the first one being confirmed and not something Evilore said to feel bad about, it is hypocritical and inconsistent to me that peopl abandon the forum because of the allegations.
^^ Holy shit man, do you have a subscription on Dead Horse magazine? Because you are beating up someone with one, quite obviously.

Daily reminder that you should not work at a graveyard as you love digging up old bones.
 
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Yoshi

Headmaster of Console Warrior Jugendstrafanstalt
^^ Holy shit man, do you have a subscription on Dead Horse magazine? Because you are beating up someone with one, quite obviously.

Daily reminder that you should not work at a graveyard as you love digging up old bones.
Similar to your posting before I have no idea what you want to tell me. The lack of an answer stems from the fact that I do not know what you want to say, I just wanted to make clear that I am not ignoring you.
 

Phawx

Member
Wow...did you notice the logo....era has a left pointing arrow ...meta has a right pointing arrow

I think gaf needs to get their own arrow which points upwards

Honestly we only discovered this "arrow" thing after the main symbol had been done. It was just a tilted C and we also happened to notice the *arrow* and thought that was a bonus. I became a bit deflated upon learning that our arrow was just pointing in the other direction of Era's. We still kept it because the M and C are still in it as illustrated thusly:

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What was the metacouncil meant to be??...is it another safe space for extreme left or is it simply to get rid of mods/personal opinions

Their tos are pretty much a carbon copy of eras....the only difference is that era doesn't follow it's own rules

I can't speak for everyone, but for myself, I wasn't happy with Era's mod team. My advice to the mod team would be to accept criticism as something to learn from instead of as an attack. As it is I only speak in very specific sections of Era.

To suggest our ToS is similar to Era's, I dunno. How our rules will actually work in practice, at least from how I will act on things, is people shouldn't be outward assholes.
It looks like another communist hellhole.

No mods or admins. We're all equal guys! What could go wrong?

This is valid. It'll be interesting to see how it works out.

This is effectively mob rule. No thanks.

Yea, we'll have to see how things shake out and tweak the system accordingly. That being said we aren't really allowing a bunch of people in.
Huh i never knew there was another forum formed after the split, i thought it was only era.

Their rules sucks though i think, because if you disagree with the mob you will have no bubbles and your posts deleted all the time.

I submit that there is most definitely a way to express yourself without fear of reprisal.

Brilliant idea. Will definitely last. :messenger_hushed:

Tbh, I think the site would fail for other reasons far before the core of the systems faltered.

That place will be a shitshow.

Most coordinated dogpile rules.

Yea it's something we will have to see in action and how we can tweak the system to handle these edge cases.

More like BetaCouncil amirite.

Haha, but seriously yes, especially right now. Haha. We are being pretty specific with who can get in right now.

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Outside of those replies, for me, I don't anticipate much happening at all. As far as I'm concerned, if we only got the old Steam group back in place, I'd be fine with that alone.
 
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Outside of those replies, for me, I don't anticipate much happening at all. As far as I'm concerned, if we only got the old Steam group back in place, I'd be fine with that alone.

Hey, thanks for taking some jokes and keeping things in stride. That's awesome and it's way more than anyone can say for any mod or admin at Resetera, you guys are already winning the "other Forum" race in my eyes.
 

Cybrwzrd

Banned
Which direction is this Metacouncil going? Are they like the disgruntled Borecucks or are they the nutters who think that ResetERA is too conservative?
 

Redneckerz

Those long posts don't cover that red neck boy
Similar to your posting before I have no idea what you want to tell me.
Which posting before?

I am making a satirical comment based on the phrasings ''Beating a dead horse and ''Digging up old bones''.

Whilst i wouldn't hold it against you for not knowing the latter, the former surely would have been understood in the context of what you were saying.
 

Redneckerz

Those long posts don't cover that red neck boy
Honestly we only discovered this "arrow" thing after the main symbol had been done. It was just a tilted C and we also happened to notice the *arrow* and thought that was a bonus. I became a bit deflated upon learning that our arrow was just pointing in the other direction of Era's. We still kept it because the M and C are still in it as illustrated thusly:

ysjYj6o.png




I can't speak for everyone, but for myself, I wasn't happy with Era's mod team. My advice to the mod team would be to accept criticism as something to learn from instead of as an attack. As it is I only speak in very specific sections of Era.

To suggest our ToS is similar to Era's, I dunno. How our rules will actually work in practice, at least from how I will act on things, is people shouldn't be outward assholes.


This is valid. It'll be interesting to see how it works out.



Yea, we'll have to see how things shake out and tweak the system accordingly. That being said we aren't really allowing a bunch of people in.


I submit that there is most definitely a way to express yourself without fear of reprisal.



Tbh, I think the site would fail for other reasons far before the core of the systems faltered.



Yea it's something we will have to see in action and how we can tweak the system to handle these edge cases.



Haha, but seriously yes, especially right now. Haha. We are being pretty specific with who can get in right now.

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Outside of those replies, for me, I don't anticipate much happening at all. As far as I'm concerned, if we only got the old Steam group back in place, I'd be fine with that alone.
DP, but MC requires a work email. I reckon i am an edge case since i never used a work mail and have the same email address from Microsoft for over 10 years now.

Say i would want to make an account, that means i basically can't as i have no access whatsoever to any work related e-mail. How will you work out edge cases like these?
 

Phawx

Member
'MetaCouncil' is one of the most off putting names for a forum I can remember seeing.

Agree, I wasn't even the one who suggested the name.

Hey, thanks for taking some jokes and keeping things in stride. That's awesome and it's way more than anyone can say for any mod or admin at Resetera, you guys are already winning the "other Forum" race in my eyes.

Thanks for the kind words. We really aren't trying to win or replace anything.

Which direction is this Metacouncil going? Are they like the disgruntled Borecucks or are they the nutters who think that ResetERA is too conservative?

No one specifically runs the forum. It's direction could go anywhere I suppose. The only people that are in the forum currently are SteamGAF peoples. I'm not really all that familiar with any other group.

DP, but MC requires a work email. I reckon i am an edge case since i never used a work mail and have the same email address from Microsoft for over 10 years now.

Say i would want to make an account, that means i basically can't as i have no access whatsoever to any work related e-mail. How will you work out edge cases like these?

Edge cases where people only have free email service wouldn't be allowed to register. We have to take these measures to prevent dogpiling/coordinated warns/reports. If I had my way, we'd make it far more strict to register. But alas, I was outvoted.
 

tkscz

Member
Let's see how many people understand this (and how I'm about to age myself)
GAF = You're the Man Now Dog
ERA = Punch the Keys for God's Sake
Meta = YesYes
 

pahamrick

Member
So they could dox you when/if they disagree with your opinions.
Just like GAF does, amirite? https://www.neogaf.com/help/terms/

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B. Registration must be performed with an Internet Service Provider, education, or workplace email address. No other types of email addresses will be approved, including all free email addresses (@gmail), addresses tied to personal domains (@myrandomblog), addresses part of standalone paid accounts (@me), or any of a limited number of domains that have been blacklisted for abuse despite otherwise falling within the bounds of ISP/education/workplace (@aol). The approval process is manual and subject to a significant waiting period.
 

Enygger_Tzu

Banned
Just like GAF does, amirite? https://www.neogaf.com/help/terms/

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B. Registration must be performed with an Internet Service Provider, education, or workplace email address. No other types of email addresses will be approved, including all free email addresses (@gmail), addresses tied to personal domains (@myrandomblog), addresses part of standalone paid accounts (@me), or any of a limited number of domains that have been blacklisted for abuse despite otherwise falling within the bounds of ISP/education/workplace (@aol). The approval process is manual and subject to a significant waiting period.

Old news, I registered here with a gmail account.
 

Sub_Level

wants to fuck an Asian grill.
Let's see how many people understand this (and how I'm about to age myself)
GAF = You're the Man Now Dog
ERA = Punch the Keys for God's Sake
Meta = YesYes

GAF = Mario
ERA = Luigi
Meta = Wario
GeoNAF = Waluigi (rest in pepperonis)
 

pahamrick

Member
Old news, I registered here with a gmail account.

But it's not like requiring an ISP/Edu/Workplace email wasn't the norm. The free email restriction was only lifted quite recently. It was the requirement for well over a decade. Saying it's there strictly for doxxing purposes is disingenuous at best and straight paranoia at worst.
 

Redneckerz

Those long posts don't cover that red neck boy
Hey man, the joke loses its impact when you explain it 😠
To be fair, i considered making a very similar pun, but then felt it was too obvious.

DeepEnigma DeepEnigma should be retagged as ''Gaf's Mr Obvious'' for that reason :p

Edge cases where people only have free email service wouldn't be allowed to register.
So essentially people like me who haven't used an ISP or work-related email for the past 12 years are out for the count. Seems a bit antiquated. Its a live account by the way from Microsoft, i am not sure if that also counts as a disposable one considering the amount of verification an MS account currently needs to have? Same goes for Gmail although that is likely more susceptible to abuse. Hell, GAF abandoned it (the Work/ISP requirement) aswell, didn't really cause that much trouble.

We have to take these measures to prevent dogpiling/coordinated warns/reports.
How does using a free mail prevent dogpiling? According to the MC system, such users will quickly get noticed by the system anyways.

How about a brief grace period like ERA had? Say 30 mins or so. I really find it hard to believe that this is the actual reason. Not wanting to brag but i am not an abusive poster in the sense that i go troll or purposefully report shit or anything, so hearing its basically completely forbidden comes off as wholly strange.

If I had my way, we'd make it far more strict to register. But alas, I was outvoted.
What would have you suggested then? Bank account numbers?

From what i can tell of Meta, it seems to encourage lengthy, informative posts - This is something i love to do with my Indie Watch series, for instance. Or talks about Digital Foundry. But purely because i don't have access to ISP or Work mails, i cannot join. I am only one user, but i reckon there are multiple informative users who don't use these. What's your take on that? Effectively that cuts off a portion of the users who would do Meta a lot of good work.

But i reckon the payout versus the amount of troubles saved is not worth it?

Why would anyone use their work email to join a gaming forum? I'll never understand that. As for the ISP email - what is this, 1994?
I don't get it either really. I reckon they want an ISP so they can ban you at the provider level should shit be severe - But seeing their penalty system, frequent abusers will get auto-flagged anyways which nullifies imo the reason to provide a work or ISP mail.

Just like GAF does, amirite? https://www.neogaf.com/help/terms/

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B. Registration must be performed with an Internet Service Provider, education, or workplace email address. No other types of email addresses will be approved, including all free email addresses (@gmail), addresses tied to personal domains (@myrandomblog), addresses part of standalone paid accounts (@me), or any of a limited number of domains that have been blacklisted for abuse despite otherwise falling within the bounds of ISP/education/workplace (@aol). The approval process is manual and subject to a significant waiting period.
That's outdated, by the way. I use Gmail for this, but i can also use Live, except that's my personal account.
 
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Sub_Level

wants to fuck an Asian grill.
But it's not like requiring an ISP/Edu/Workplace email wasn't the norm. The free email restriction was only lifted quite recently. It was the requirement for well over a decade. Saying it's there strictly for doxxing purposes is disingenuous at best and straight paranoia at worst.

Especially when i already backtraced your IP and am currently downloading all your RAM. No need for your email.
 

Redneckerz

Those long posts don't cover that red neck boy
''User banned (Duration pending): Vilifying comical masculinity, Attempted doxxing by inclusion of female selfies, Inflammatory rhetoric, Discriminatory against women, Poor satirical form, History of similar, User fan of Burt Reynolds, Infringing upon the recently deceased, Account still in Junior Phase''
 
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Apologies to phawx if some of my posts came off snarky...I heard about the third site through the discord and the way it sounded it was going to be an extreme version of era which would not be good for anyone.

There are a lot of great posters over there and there would also be quite a few who realize what a shithole era is but refuse to come back to gaf.

Wish you success and please dont let the crazies take over your site as it makes gamers in general look bad and pushes the people who use gaming as a way to deal with mental/personal problems away from discussing the thing that brings them peace in life.
 

48086

Member
''User banned (Duration pending): Vilifying comical masculinity, Attempted doxxing by inclusion of female selfies, Inflammatory rhetoric, Discriminatory against women, Poor satirical form, History of similar, User fan of Burt Reynolds, Infringing upon the recently deceased, Account still in Junior Phase''

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Also, what is the purpose of metacouncil? What does it offer that gaf or other non-era gaming forums don't?
 

Phawx

Member
What would have you suggested then? Bank account numbers?

I wanted a system where anyone who registered had to be vouched by % of the amount of total members were in on the forum. The bigger the forum got, the harder it would be to gain access. But I was outvoted.


Apologies to phawx if some of my posts came off snarky...I heard about the third site through the discord and the way it sounded it was going to be an extreme version of era which would not be good for anyone.

There are a lot of great posters over there and there would also be quite a few who realize what a shithole era is but refuse to come back to gaf.

Wish you success and please dont let the crazies take over your site as it makes gamers in general look bad and pushes the people who use gaming as a way to deal with mental/personal problems away from discussing the thing that brings them peace in life.

No worries man. You made valid points.

Also, what is the purpose of metacouncil? What does it offer that gaf or other non-era gaming forums don't?

The purpose of MetaCouncil is to experiment. We don't know if it'll work. The main crux is "Everyone is a mod" but bannings/deleting threads are handled via a transparent vote system. Outisde of that a good deal of it is covered in our tips and tricks section. Basically things that were only available to mods, now the "regular" members can enjoy. A lot of the things are fairly simple, but they all add up to some nice QoL features. Also we are constantly looking for further things to add/update, on top of the main "checks" system. So the list of neat things is:
  • no more double posts! Now all the subsequent posts from the same user get auto-merged into the last post they made.
  • if you create a thread, as the thread's owner - you are able to change the title, close/reopen, move and delete the thread you created. There are no time limits on any of those things.
  • you no longer have to use the "insert link" button if you want the link to have the same title as the page you're linking, that's now done automatically. So for example, this: https://www.rockstargames.com/reddeadredemption2/news/article/60579/Red-Dead-Online automatically turns into this: Red Dead Redemption 2 after posting the message. Also - all links automatically have the target website's favicon added in front of them. Of course you can also use the "insert link" button from the toolbar if you want the link text to be something else than the target page's title.
  • you are also able to bookmark posts, thread and entire forums. To bookmark a post - click the bookmark icon next to the post number (top-right corner of each post)
  • everyone is able to set a cover picture for their profile. Just go to your profile page and click the "cover" button to set it all up.
  • covers are also available for each individual thread you create (might be especially useful for OT and community threads). Just click the "cover" button after you create a thread to set it up.
  • giphy support is in! while you can naturally just use the "insert media" button to embed giphy links, you can also just use the dedicated "giphy" button in the toolbar for an easier way to search and insert gifs.
  • Prefix your threads with OT/Deals/Q&A/etc
  • you can create Q&A threads which will have a different formatting than any other regular thread. in Q&A threads everyone participating will be able to upvote and downvote replies and the OP will be able to choose one of the answers as "best answer" which will always show at the top of the thread. To create a Q&A thread tick the "Thread is a question" checkbox when posting a thread
  • in addition to being able to ignore users, you are also able to ignore individual threads or even entire forums if you choose to. Just go into a thread or forum and click the "ignore" button.
  • for all the websites that support media embedding - you don't have to use the "insert media" toolbar button either. If, for example, you just paste a raw YouTube link into a message - it will automatically embed the video. This should work with all the supported embeds.
  • there are a few additional non-standard formatting tools as well. Things like being able to insert tables, justify text, change text background colour, save and delete message drafts and full-screen mode you can use.
  • you are also able to take advantage of editor templates (if you're working on an OT for an upcoming game, for example). To create a template, go to the Editor templates page in your account dropdown.
  • and lastly - you are also able to change your tag and username at any time, without limits.

That's what's in now currently. But we keep looking for things that might further improve small QoL stuffs.
 
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cr0w

Old Member
Eh fuck it, I registered on Meta, my username is a shout out to my favorite manlet. It'll be interesting to see who actually goes over there because I have a sneaking suspicion the concept of personal responsibility scares the hell out of the most prolific shit posters and not being able to fuck up every thread and cry "MODS HALP" when called out on their shit will keep them away.

I do like the idea a lot, it's just a matter of whether or not people can handle not being shielded from dissenting opinions.
 

JordanN

Banned
From the "Would you hire a Trump Supporter" thread:

https://www.resetera.com/threads/if...a-trump-supporter.53870/page-23#post-12896131
One of my minions is a Trump supporter and by the numbers, he's my most productive one.

If you could guarantee that the prospective employee was going to be as productive, then I would.

I do find it amusing that as a MAGA American he has to work for a younger, higher educated, and more successful black man with an Igbo surname.

He's a decent person. White fragility and ignorance have just gotten the better of him.

Imagine your employer openly talking shit about you on the internet.

And imagine if the roles (races) were reversed? A black person bragging that their white employee is their "minion". If a white person said that about a black person....
 
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Ivellios

Member
Honestly we only discovered this "arrow" thing after the main symbol had been done. It was just a tilted C and we also happened to notice the *arrow* and thought that was a bonus. I became a bit deflated upon learning that our arrow was just pointing in the other direction of Era's. We still kept it because the M and C are still in it as illustrated thusly:

ysjYj6o.png




I can't speak for everyone, but for myself, I wasn't happy with Era's mod team. My advice to the mod team would be to accept criticism as something to learn from instead of as an attack. As it is I only speak in very specific sections of Era.

To suggest our ToS is similar to Era's, I dunno. How our rules will actually work in practice, at least from how I will act on things, is people shouldn't be outward assholes.


This is valid. It'll be interesting to see how it works out.



Yea, we'll have to see how things shake out and tweak the system accordingly. That being said we aren't really allowing a bunch of people in.


I submit that there is most definitely a way to express yourself without fear of reprisal.



Tbh, I think the site would fail for other reasons far before the core of the systems faltered.



Yea it's something we will have to see in action and how we can tweak the system to handle these edge cases.



Haha, but seriously yes, especially right now. Haha. We are being pretty specific with who can get in right now.

****

Outside of those replies, for me, I don't anticipate much happening at all. As far as I'm concerned, if we only got the old Steam group back in place, I'd be fine with that alone.

Sorry for being rude before, but my opnion still stands.

8 reports is just too little if you think about it, anyone who says something slightly unpopular (ie: "Fortnite is not fun to play!") will surely have its opnion hidden.

I would imagine most threads will have at least half of the posts "banned" because people will just report for the sake of reporting.
 
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Xaero Gravity

NEXT LEVEL lame™
I tried signing up on Metacouncil because why not, and it says my email has been banned lol. More people must hate me than I thought ;_;

Edit: then I tried to make my password MyPenis and it said it's too short 😡😡😡
 
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How did they know your email, eh? 🤔
They dont allow throw away emails like hotmail/gmail ect as spammers can get on there...while i dont agree with having your work email tied to a gaming forum in the event the mods turn out to be completely crazy and use personal armies to hunt and doxx you and your employer (that wouldn't happen...nahh)

Most isps have dedicated emails you can setup and in some cases its quicker than signing up for a throw away one...just use that
 

pahamrick

Member
I tried signing up on Metacouncil because why not, and it says my email has been banned lol. More people must hate me than I thought ;_;

Edit: then I tried to make my password MyPenis and it said it's too short 😡😡😡

If you try signing up with free email providers, it'll just say your email address is banned - if you're using an actual ISP email I don't know what the issue is.
 

JordanN

Banned
Another day, another "Trump dying" fantasies:

Fuck it, I hope Trump gets cancer.

There, now you can ban me.
https://www.resetera.com/threads/tr...cover-immigrant-children.69905/#post-12901842

I feel the same breh. It's ridiculous that this dude is so openly fucking shameless and brazen about everything. Leader of the most powerful country in the world. Yet this is what he do.

Hope he dies. Fuck him.
https://www.resetera.com/threads/tr...cover-immigrant-children.69905/#post-12901932

Please get fucking cancer, Trump. I don’t feel bad for saying it.
https://www.resetera.com/threads/tr...cover-immigrant-children.69905/#post-12901939
 
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EviLore

Expansive Ellipses
Staff Member
Correct me if wrong, but I heard a rumor that before Resetera was set up, all the defected moderators still had access to Neogaf's emails/account records.
Again, I can't 100% verify this.

If you have any hard evidence of this or any other potential privacy violation let me know ASAP. The timeline of events doesn't support the notion as described very well since reset wasn't taking user registrations until most of the ex-mods had left already and didn't have mod/admin access anymore. None of them had SSH access to prefetch user info from the database readily, but if anyone did *anything* along those lines in terms of pulling user account info for external use, whether for anything reset related or any other purpose, they're headed to court.
 

Blam

Member
If you have any hard evidence of this or any other potential privacy violation let me know ASAP. The timeline of events doesn't support the notion as described very well since reset wasn't taking user registrations until most of the ex-mods had left already and didn't have mod/admin access anymore. None of them had SSH access to prefetch user info from the database readily, but if anyone did *anything* along those lines in terms of pulling user account info for external use, whether for anything reset related or any other purpose, they're headed to court.

I was gonna say this would be a extremely huge accusation to make.
 

JORMBO

Darkness no more

DeepEnigma

Gold Member
They used to warn and ban people for those comments. I don't see any in that thread. I guess they have given up on moderating that sort of stuff.

And I sit back and laugh my ass off of people that are actually in the industry on that admin staff, whether they are there for novelty or not... these are people with names that are followed in the gaming industry, that have their face connected to that forum; that doesn't action threats or such behavior towards the highest officials in office.

Not a good look "ZhugeEX" Daniel Ahmad and "Shinobi602" Nate N. etc..
 
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Yoshi

Headmaster of Console Warrior Jugendstrafanstalt
So hanging all Republican voters? Had they done the same in the Nürnberg process with all people who hacve voted NSDAP, Germany would have been emptied. And I'd argue, even though the Republicans currently are a bunch of lunatics, ranging from racists over religious extremists, middle-age-style, to unempathic neoliberals, they are no where close to the NSDAP in terms of nastiness. So if in the Nürnberg trials they did not deem every voter of the NSDAP worthy of death, I am sure, similar trials for Republicans would not end deadly for many (or any, really, because even high ranking officials from the NSDAP could survive if they appeared valuable or weren't directly involved in abhorent killings).
 
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