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[SLoWMoTIoN]

Reset user calls for the death of 62 million Americans.
At what point do we start calling Resetera a terrorist website? There have been threats against the President, and now threats against Americans.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/tr...immigrant-children.69905/page-2#post-12908099

Is pol or 4chan a terrorist website

 

[JordanN]

Is pol or 4chan a terrorist website

IMO, they're just pranksters looking to get a rise out of people. The fact they're anonymous also means to treat every post on a person by person basis, instead of grouping them as a whole.
It's like calling a youtube comment section terrorism.

Resetera is clearly not anonymous. Nor are they trolling/pranking for fun. Their ethos is that they're a "progressive" forum but somehow, being progressive means aligning yourself with acts of terrorism.

 

[Cunth]

Not even a warning for that guy? Lawl

 

[JordanN]

Not even a warning for that guy? Lawl

At this point, I'm less terrified of the users and more scared of the mods.

Imagine if you were moderating any other gaming forum. Be it Neogaf, Gamefaqs, IGN etc. If you saw someone make a post saying "hang all 62 million Trump voters" would that not send alarms off in your head?
But the Adminstration there clearly turns a blind eye to it.

 

[captainraincoat]

At this point, I'm less terrified of the users and more scared of the mods.

Imagine if you were moderating any other gaming forum. Be it Neogaf, Gamefaqs, IGN etc. If you saw someone make a post saying "hang all 62 million Trump voters" would that not send alarms off in your head?
But the Adminstration there clearly turns a blind eye to it.

I dont live in the US but from what we see on the news hes more than likely going to get a second term if what i have been watching is correct???...how will that place go with another 4 years?

 

[dolabla]

Reset user calls for the death of 62 million Americans.
At what point do we start calling Resetera a terrorist website? There have been threats against the President, and now threats against Americans.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/tr...immigrant-children.69905/page-2#post-12908099

Calls people (and Trump) Nazis while calling for a Nazi/Stalin style 62 million genocide . Seems like a perfectly stable person who doesn't need to be in a mental institution.

Is pol or 4chan a terrorist website

A lot of /pol/ is just satire. Did anybody see Shia LaBeouf hewillnotdivideus stream when /pol/ was trolling the thing? They were probably a more diverse group than the people actually taking the hewillnotdivideus serious. That was legit one of the funniest things they had ever done when they were playing capture the flag.

 

[JORMBO]

Reset user calls for the death of 62 million Americans.
At what point do we start calling Resetera a terrorist website? There have been threats against the President, and now threats against Americans.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/tr...immigrant-children.69905/page-2#post-12908099

This is one of the worst posts I’ve seen on ERA. Absolutely appalling in every way. They will ban people for saying they will buy the Cyberpunk game, then they let stuff like this stand.

 

[Redneckerz]

I wanted a system where anyone who registered had to be vouched by % of the amount of total members were in on the forum.

How will that work with unknown people? This assumes that the people who will have to vouch for this user will have some background in the user they are going to let in. How will that work for people they don't know?

AFAIK since you mention that its currently only SteamERA people being there, the above feels like a policy designed solely for that group.

The bigger the forum got, the harder it would be to gain access. But I was outvoted.

Could you address my prior questions, Phawx?

So the list of neat things is:

• things

That's what's in now currently. But we keep looking for things that might further improve small QoL stuffs.

All things considered i do find those QoL improvements rather neat, But id still like to hear some more details on the questions i asked prior.

Eh fuck it, I registered on Meta, my username is a shout out to my favorite manlet. It'll be interesting to see who actually goes over there because I have a sneaking suspicion the concept of personal responsibility scares the hell out of the most prolific shit posters and not being able to fuck up every thread and cry "MODS HALP" when called out on their shit will keep them away.

I do like the idea a lot, it's just a matter of whether or not people can handle not being shielded from dissenting opinions.

Well for one you won't have any Little Helpers anymore that try to bait others into a ban as is apparent over ERA, nor will these users have any protection because as soon as they would try to perform their shtick the system will counter it and people will report that kind of stuff.

It has potential in theory, but i do feel there is way too much faith placed into assuming good faith among their peers. I mean, they partially jumped out of the GAF ship and joined ERA in the first place, and i reckon there are users there who left GAF on a pornographical note. Those folks then went to ERA, realized that they don't get what they wanted out of it there aswell, and will join Meta and act normal.

So whilst MC has potential, and its QoL are things i feel GAF should take a note of, ill look at this for now with

I tried signing up on Metacouncil because why not, and it says my email has been banned lol. More people must hate me than I thought ;_;

Edit: then I tried to make my password MyPenis and it said it's too short

Reset user calls for the death of 62 million Americans.
At what point do we start calling Resetera a terrorist website? There have been threats against the President, and now threats against Americans.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/tr...immigrant-children.69905/page-2#post-12908099

Try saying similar things towards every trans member on the site or specific users or trans people in general. Then suddenly its despicable. (Rightfully so, i am just saying that all this terminology is equally terrible.)

But almost 63 million Trump voters? Nah. As one user put it, People who vote Trump aren't automatically racist scum, and there is a lot more nuance to it because imagine someone's entire character be devalued purely on your poltical choice.

That ofcourse does not stop the Little Helpers from trying to push the narrative that yes, people who vote Trump are racist scumfucks that need no handholding.

FWIW the user in the latter link (an Elite Little Helper) even goes on stalking said user across multiple posts.

EDIT: But ofcourse, that user providing said nuance ate a 3 day ban for ''User Banned (3 Days): Junior phase account trolling and antagonizing other members''. But the user directly underneath it, who clearly is more into antagonizing other members gets nothing.

The level of protection this sidekick of the number 2 prolific poster gets (And the number 2 itself) is off the charts, even when compared to OldGAF.

This is one of the worst posts I’ve seen on ERA. Absolutely appalling in every way. They will ban people for saying they will buy the Cyberpunk game, then they let stuff like this stand.

Well, its not like the staff ever advocated for equality around their moderation regarding hate speech. Oh wait, they do.

Hate speech, bullying, harassment and doxing: We have a zero-tolerance policy on hate speech, bullying, harassment and doxing. Any users found to be involved in this behaviour will be banned.

 

[Boss Mog]

Reset user calls for the death of 62 million Americans.
At what point do we start calling Resetera a terrorist website? There have been threats against the President, and now threats against Americans.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/tr...immigrant-children.69905/page-2#post-12908099

Holy shit, the asylum is even more unhinged than I thought. He's not even banned either. This guy sounds like the type of person that would go shoot up a Trump rally or something. Scary to think these people have such a loud voice in today's world.

 

[MayauMiao]

Holy shit, the asylum is even more unhinged than I thought. He's not even banned either. This guy sounds like the type of person that would go shoot up a Trump rally or something. Scary to think these people have such a loud voice in today's world.

Wow. He sound very Nazi.

 

[Boss Mog]

Wow. He sound very Nazi.

Yes, they become the very thing they claim to hate.

 

[DeepEnigma]

nvm

 

[JordanN]

Yes, they become the very thing they claim to hate.

They love bringing up WW2, even though the Soldiers who fought in the war would still disagree on what does "progressive" mean.

 

[Redneckerz]

Yes, they become the very thing they claim to hate.

Update on that, that user now ate a ban aswell, for ''User Banned (Duration Pending): Advocating mass-execution for non-criminal behavior''

Because its obviously not a good look when shit like that goes unpunished and gets notified by most outlets out there.

Still, like the weapons list post and the detailed instruction post, its still utterly deplorable that the contents of that post remain open to the public.

 

[Dr. Claus]

So hanging all Republican voters? Had they done the same in the Nürnberg process with all people who hacve voted NSDAP, Germany would have been emptied. And I'd argue, even though the Republicans currently are a bunch of lunatics, ranging from racists over religious extremists, middle-age-style, to unempathic neoliberals, they are no where close to the NSDAP in terms of nastiness. So if in the Nürnberg trials they did not deem every voter of the NSDAP worthy of death, I am sure, similar trials for Republicans would not end deadly for many (or any, really, because even high ranking officials from the NSDAP could survive if they appeared valuable or weren't directly involved in abhorent killings).

C'mon Yoshi, don't rely on mass generalizations. You are better than that.

 

[JORMBO]

Update on that, that user now ate a ban aswell, for ''User Banned (Duration Pending): Advocating mass-execution for non-criminal behavior''

Because its obviously not a good look when shit like that goes unpunished and gets notified by most outlets out there.

Still, like the weapons list post and the detailed instruction post, its still utterly deplorable that the contents of that post remain open to the public.

Yep. Once the post started getting shared around they ban the dude.

 

[Blam]

Not a good look "ZhugeEX" Daniel Ahmad and "Shinobi602" Nate N. etc..

Admins only because people know them and want to be a part of whatever they are a part of.

 

[DeepEnigma]

Admins only because people know them and want to be a part of whatever they are a part of.

I get that, but I would not want my name tied to that place, as industry professionals, where that type of posting is allowed and moderated. But I have another personal theory as to why they do not care about the slant the site has, but I will not share it here.

And Zhuge does moderate/action people as well, so he is pretty active, or used to be in the beginning.

 

[48086]

Update on that, that user now ate a ban aswell, for ''User Banned (Duration Pending): Advocating mass-execution for non-criminal behavior''

Because its obviously not a good look when shit like that goes unpunished and gets notified by most outlets out there.

Still, like the weapons list post and the detailed instruction post, its still utterly deplorable that the contents of that post remain open to the public.

Gee, it would be a shame if they were reported to Godaddy for advocating violence.

 

[Phawx]

How does using a free mail prevent dogpiling? According to the MC system, such users will quickly get noticed by the system anyways.

How about a brief grace period like ERA had? Say 30 mins or so. I really find it hard to believe that this is the actual reason. Not wanting to brag but i am not an abusive poster in the sense that i go troll or purposefully report shit or anything, so hearing its basically completely forbidden comes off as wholly strange.

But i reckon the payout versus the amount of troubles saved is not worth it?

Apologies. To answer your other questions:

Re: dogpiling:
It's just about putting enough speedbumbs in to prevent any coordinated group from leveraging their position to take advantage of our systems. We know going into this that the current system is flawed. It's most definitely going to need fine-tuning and if the simple system has enough merit then we will iterate and upgrade the system in time. Perhaps in the future we will accept free emails of any kind, but it would require absolute trust in the system and it's def not there yet.

Re: grace period
Right now our system requires 300 posts before even allowing any random individual to acquire "mod" status. Or are you referring to a different sort of grace period?

Re: Troubles Saved
Everyone on the forum is a mod. And I don't really *want* to be moderating anything. Ideally, I never have to use the warn or report function ever. So the preventative measures we are putting in are, if you look at it one way, helping me be lazy.

All of this is to say that I do remember you from the GPDwin2 thread, so if you really wanted to come in you could just PM me.

Sorry for being rude before, but my opnion still stands.

8 reports is just too little if you think about it, anyone who says something slightly unpopular (ie: "Fortnite is not fun to play!") will surely have its opnion hidden.

I would imagine most threads will have at least half of the posts "banned" because people will just report for the sake of reporting.

No need to apologize. I don't think you were being rude at all. Also yea, the X number of warns/reports thing is definitely something we all agree isn't a perfect number. It should fluctuate with the amount of users in total/currently logged in/currently looking at the thread. But before we even get to that point we have to see if the system is even feasible.

 

[Papa]

This is one of the worst posts I’ve seen on ERA. Absolutely appalling in every way. They will ban people for saying they will buy the Cyberpunk game, then they let stuff like this stand.

congrats on ur tag

F

 

[Yoshi]

C'mon Yoshi, don't rely on mass generalizations. You are better than that.

I was quite imprecise in my wording, because I have of course no good overview over general party members. When I said this, I only meant their prominent politicians like e.g. Carson (batshit insane middle ages style Christian fanatic) and the many other creationist lunatics, or Trump (xenophobe, unempathic neoliberal) and the many other people advocating against public healthcare, to name just two ways in which prominent republican positions are notably vile.

 

[pushBAK]

Today I learned what ResetEra was. For the first time. Via the OG NeoGAF community on PSN being switched. Never really knew what it was but also didn't care.

So let me get this story straight.

EvilLore makes a pass at a female friend during a road trip, in an overtly sexual way. She rejects said pass, and that's the end of it. I think she says they were 'distant' or 'awkward' or something over the remainder of the road trip. She complains about it on Facebook a number of years later.

People go fucking ballistic, say that the founder of NeoGAF is now a womanizer and a general piece of trash. They start a new website.

Am I missing something here? This seems like a huge overreaction for something so trivial. They were on a road. Guys and girls. Young guys and girls. Young people have sex. That's what they do. She didn't want to. That was the end of it.

What the actual fuck????

 

[Yoshi]

EvilLore makes a pass at a female friend during a road trip, in an overtly sexual way. She rejects said pass, and that's the end of it. I think she says they were 'distant' or 'awkward' or something over the remainder of the road trip. She complains about it on Facebook a number of years later.

Please note that this is not uncontested, Evilore denies this incident.

 

[pushBAK]

Please note that this is not uncontested, Evilore denies this incident.

Even if it was 100% percent true, she said no, that was the end. And now it's years later.

And now everyone blows up about it. I feel like there's something else I'm missing, that response seemed way incongruent to the allegation.

 

[DeepEnigma]

Even if it was 100% percent true, she said no, that was the end. And now it's years later.

And now everyone blows up about it. I feel like there's something else I'm missing, that response seemed way incongruent to the allegation.

There is always something else. The years of built up shit on this forum by those very people were the real issues. The very SAME issues ReeEra is facing now.

They just needed an "excuse" to start their own money making platform since Evilore was not going to give up his, and rightfully so.

 

[Redneckerz]

Yep. Once the post started getting shared around they ban the dude.

Gotta protect the public image.

Yet, that same public already is well aware of the antics and at this stage it more feels like they are double downing on the whole thing than taking a brief moment to reflect and change things.

I guess that's why they aren't called ReflectERA.

I still stand by the idea that GAF should send them a truck full of mirrors for their first year milestone.

All of this is to say that I do remember you from the GPDwin2 thread, so if you really wanted to come in you could just PM me.

Consider the PM written. (Actually, just wait for the PM lol). Then ill address your points aswell.

Yes ofcourse i remember you from the Win 2 thread, it is nice seeing you be here

Today I learned what ResetEra was. For the first time. Via the OG NeoGAF community on PSN being switched. Never really knew what it was but also didn't care.

So let me get this story straight.

EvilLore makes a pass at a female friend during a road trip, in an overtly sexual way. She rejects said pass, and that's the end of it. I think she says they were 'distant' or 'awkward' or something over the remainder of the road trip. She complains about it on Facebook a number of years later.

People go fucking ballistic, say that the founder of NeoGAF is now a womanizer and a general piece of trash. They start a new website.

Am I missing something here? This seems like a huge overreaction for something so trivial. They were on a road. Guys and girls. Young guys and girls. Young people have sex. That's what they do. She didn't want to. That was the end of it.

What the actual fuck????

Please note that this is not uncontested, Evilore denies this incident.

Alright, lets get this out of the door:

• The whole shower spiel was an allegation, nothing less, nothing more. This is the thing that went viral on Facebook, as said person wrote: ''Fuck it. Google Evilore''. ERA interprets an allegation as an harassment.
• Then there is the road trip story from years back. I am not going to take position in that matter, but i do recall that Tyler wrote something along the lines of ''Things happen in the heat of the moment'' kind of thing. Long terms users remembered that and threw that as nightmare fuel into the resultant explosion of 2017.

All in all, these things combined with OldGAF moderation just provided enough fuel to tip the scales over. Thus ResetERA was born. If you really want to be critical about it, its more that things happened that happen when you are in your 20s, intermixed with OldGAF staff that had little in the way of providing equality and balance over the site.

• For the latter Tyler has made more than enough explanations and amends as to why and how, so its completely useless for critics to constantly point at that.
• As for the former: Its quite exaggerated. I am not going to say Tyler was completely in the green as i do feel things could have been explained... more nuanced, but ultimately, we weren't there. All we know is what we read on a screen. Ever tried describing a regular situation in words to someone? Its not easy, and subject to interpretation.

Ultimately, i feel its rather abrasive to keep referring to incidents that yes, could perhaps have been handled better. but no, should not be thrown around like a frisbee for years on end. The thing is: GAF was not and is not Tyler's mentor, Tyler is Tyler's mentor. It was up to him to make amends and change - And up to this point, i feel he is hitting both of these marks.

Why should we remain stuck in the past when we can look into the future? You can't change the past, but you can acknowledge the present, and reshape the future.

PS: I also am aware of the user from the shower story on another place but for privacy reasons i am not throwing this up in the air. If anything, i can imagine EviLore is getting kind of tired of having to explain the past over and over.

PPS: This post is not sponsored by NeoGAF LLC. I am not a stockholder of NeoGAF nor am i part of the Commission board. These are my views and my views only. I was not paid for this view nor was i forced to say so.

 

[Wheeljack539]

Even if it was 100% percent true, she said no, that was the end. And now it's years later.

And now everyone blows up about it. I feel like there's something else I'm missing, that response seemed way incongruent to the allegation.

It was one of those "you had to be there" moments just to get it and experience it. I look back at it and I still shake my head over it.

DeepEnigma above is also right on how a lot of things had been building over the years and that this incident here gave them an outlet .

 

[pushBAK]

It was one of those "you had to be there" moments just to get it and experience it. I look back at it and I still shake my head over it.

DeepEnigma above is also right on how a lot of things had been building over the years and that this incident here gave them an outlet .

Right yeah, what happened was irrelevant, it's in the past. If something actually happened she would've/could've/should've gone to the proper authorities.

But this does fill in some gaps. Plenty of people already didn't like one or more aspects of this forum and used this tipping point as an opportunity.

I'm sure many people agree but this is place is probly better now.

 

[DeepEnigma]

Right yeah, what happened was irrelevant, it's in the past. If something actually happened she would've/could've/should've gone to the proper authorities.

But this does fill in some gaps. Plenty of people already didn't like one or more aspects of this forum and used this tipping point as an opportunity.

I'm sure many people agree but this is place is probly better now.

Big time!

 

[EviLore]

Please note that this is not uncontested, Evilore denies this incident.

The incident where she broke up with her boyfriend -- without telling him -- and we went on a road trip to New Orleans for the weekend and hooked up? Great time. She described it as the best weekend of her entire life. My imessage history is overflowing with her gushing about how awesome I am and how much she loves me, that very same weekend. The whole thing is bullshit aside from #1 New Orleans, and #2 she got nauseous at one point and went to the bathroom in our hotel room. While we were naked in bed together. I checked up on her at the open doorway, she got better in a half hour or so and we went out on the town from there until dawn. That nausea stuff was like late afternoon/early evening and we were sober. I never shower creeped her, I never intimidated her, and the notion that she was uncomfortable for the rest of the trip, lol, there are enough texts, photos, videos to put together the most saccharine montage ever, and all the social interactions after we came back where she continued treating me like the world's most amazing human in front of everyone, and we were openly hooking up afterwards as well, oh and she gladly came on another trip on my invite and shared a bed again. I told her up front that I was interested in someone else, and she was cool with that -- claimed to be on the same page -- right up until the moment she met the girl I was interested in and fell in love with *her*, then found herself in third place in a bizarre love triangle and I quickly became the worst person in the entire world in her eyes. She melted down after that and dragged us to her LA cultist buddies for a whole separate ordeal.

There is hard evidence behind everything I'm saying. She deleted her own story before the scandal even had a chance to break, because it was a nonsensical, shoddily constructed fantasy written during a manic episode and accompanied by a dozen other fucked up stories. I was the only person named, because she was pressured by her feminist pals to out the guy she had mentioned was a public figure or whatever, someone prime for destroying via #metoo, and so she attached my name to it. Rob Young aka polyh3dron screenshotted it instantly when he saw it on Facebook and within minutes it was on Voat. Mind you, this was not a public post and he didn't get any kind of consent from her to publicize it. What a hero. Anyway. She deleted it the next day unprompted by me. The day after that, Social Justice Squad on GAF posted those screenshots all over here, coinciding with a highly effective DDoS attack that ended up taking us down for two days et al.

I wasn't gonna drop a bunch of personal texts and photos onto an angry mob that was trying to ruin people's lives just to placate them. Fuck that noise. That would put other people at risk and I had no idea what the hell the motive was for this ridiculous story coming out of left field at the time as well as a bunch of other details in the mix there that complicated the drama. The responsible thing to do, I felt, was to file a defamation suit without seeking damages, collect all the evidence and present it privately, and ask for a formal retraction to clear the air so that I'd have something to point to without dumping a bunch of personal shit onto the internet. By the time that was all ready to be filed, though, gaf had been bombarded with hundreds/thousands of account suicides and porn bombs and ddos attacks and resetera advertising spam, and the narrative had long since moved on to "it doesn't matter if this story is true, EviLore's an incompetent asshole who had it coming." I didn't want money from her, and legal counsel concluded that the allegation had been retracted already when she deleted it from Facebook before the scandal ever happened, and it wasn't possible to e.g. file an injunction against future speech per state law, so monetary damages were the only avenue. Dropped it and moved on to rebuild gaf.

 

[bigedole]

The incident where she broke up with her boyfriend -- without telling him -- and we went on a road trip to New Orleans for the weekend and hooked up? Great time. She described it as the best weekend of her entire life. My imessage history is overflowing with her gushing about how awesome I am and how much she loves me, that very same weekend. The whole thing is bullshit aside from #1 New Orleans, and #2 she got nauseous at one point and went to the bathroom in our hotel room. While we were naked in bed together. I checked up on her at the open doorway, she got better in a half hour or so and we went out on the town from there until dawn. That nausea stuff was like late afternoon/early evening and we were sober. I never shower creeped her, I never intimidated her, and the notion that she was uncomfortable for the rest of the trip, lol, there are enough texts, photos, videos to put together the most saccharine montage ever, and all the social interactions after we came back where she continued treating me like the world's most amazing human in front of everyone, and we were openly hooking up afterwards as well, oh and she gladly came on another trip on my invite and shared a bed again. I told her up front that I was interested in someone else, and she was cool with that -- claimed to be on the same page -- right up until the moment she met the girl I was interested in and fell in love with *her*, then found herself in third place in a bizarre love triangle and I quickly became the worst person in the entire world in her eyes. She melted down after that and dragged us to her LA cultist buddies for a whole separate ordeal.

There is hard evidence behind everything I'm saying. She deleted her own story before the scandal even had a chance to break, because it was a nonsensical, shoddily constructed fantasy written during a manic episode and accompanied by a dozen other fucked up stories. I was the only person named, because she was pressured by her feminist pals to out the guy she had mentioned was a public figure or whatever, someone prime for destroying via #metoo, and so she attached my name to it. Rob Young aka polyh3dron screenshotted it instantly when he saw it on Facebook and within minutes it was on Voat. Mind you, this was not a public post and he didn't get any kind of consent from her to publicize it. What a hero. Anyway. She deleted it the next day unprompted by me. The day after that, Social Justice Squad on GAF posted those screenshots all over here, coinciding with a highly effective DDoS attack that ended up taking us down for two days et al.

I wasn't gonna drop a bunch of personal texts and photos onto an angry mob that was trying to ruin people's lives just to placate them. Fuck that noise. That would put other people at risk and I had no idea what the hell the motive was for this ridiculous story coming out of left field at the time as well as a bunch of other details in the mix there that complicated the drama. The responsible thing to do, I felt, was to file a defamation suit without seeking damages, collect all the evidence and present it privately, and ask for a formal retraction to clear the air so that I'd have something to point to without dumping a bunch of personal shit onto the internet. By the time that was all ready to be filed, though, gaf had been bombarded with hundreds/thousands of account suicides and porn bombs and ddos attacks and resetera advertising spam, and the narrative had long since moved on to "it doesn't matter if this story is true, EviLore's an incompetent asshole who had it coming." I didn't want money from her, and legal counsel concluded that the allegation had been retracted already when she deleted it from Facebook before the scandal ever happened, and it wasn't possible to e.g. file an injunction against future speech per state law, so monetary damages were the only avenue. Dropped it and moved on to rebuild gaf.

This is one of your better summaries of the ordeal, just FYI You seem more confident and less exculpatory like you're defending yourself.

 

[Redneckerz]

The incident where she broke up with her boyfriend -- without telling him -- and we went on a road trip to New Orleans for the weekend and hooked up? Great time. She described it as the best weekend of her entire life. My imessage history is overflowing with her gushing about how awesome I am and how much she loves me, that very same weekend. The whole thing is bullshit aside from #1 New Orleans, and #2 she got nauseous at one point and went to the bathroom in our hotel room. While we were naked in bed together. I checked up on her at the open doorway, she got better in a half hour or so and we went out on the town from there until dawn. That nausea stuff was like late afternoon/early evening and we were sober. I never shower creeped her, I never intimidated her, and the notion that she was uncomfortable for the rest of the trip, lol, there are enough texts, photos, videos to put together the most saccharine montage ever, and all the social interactions after we came back where she continued treating me like the world's most amazing human in front of everyone, and we were openly hooking up afterwards as well, oh and she gladly came on another trip on my invite and shared a bed again. I told her up front that I was interested in someone else, and she was cool with that -- claimed to be on the same page -- right up until the moment she met the girl I was interested in and fell in love with *her*, then found herself in third place in a bizarre love triangle and I quickly became the worst person in the entire world in her eyes. She melted down after that and dragged us to her LA cultist buddies for a whole separate ordeal.

There is hard evidence behind everything I'm saying. She deleted her own story before the scandal even had a chance to break, because it was a nonsensical, shoddily constructed fantasy written during a manic episode and accompanied by a dozen other fucked up stories. I was the only person named, because she was pressured by her feminist pals to out the guy she had mentioned was a public figure or whatever, someone prime for destroying via #metoo, and so she attached my name to it. Rob Young aka polyh3dron screenshotted it instantly when he saw it on Facebook and within minutes it was on Voat. Mind you, this was not a public post and he didn't get any kind of consent from her to publicize it. What a hero. Anyway. She deleted it the next day unprompted by me. The day after that, Social Justice Squad on GAF posted those screenshots all over here, coinciding with a highly effective DDoS attack that ended up taking us down for two days et al.

I wasn't gonna drop a bunch of personal texts and photos onto an angry mob that was trying to ruin people's lives just to placate them. Fuck that noise. That would put other people at risk and I had no idea what the hell the motive was for this ridiculous story coming out of left field at the time as well as a bunch of other details in the mix there that complicated the drama. The responsible thing to do, I felt, was to file a defamation suit without seeking damages, collect all the evidence and present it privately, and ask for a formal retraction to clear the air so that I'd have something to point to without dumping a bunch of personal shit onto the internet. By the time that was all ready to be filed, though, gaf had been bombarded with hundreds/thousands of account suicides and porn bombs and ddos attacks and resetera advertising spam, and the narrative had long since moved on to "it doesn't matter if this story is true, EviLore's an incompetent asshole who had it coming." I didn't want money from her, and legal counsel concluded that the allegation had been retracted already when she deleted it from Facebook before the scandal ever happened, and it wasn't possible to e.g. file an injunction against future speech per state law, so monetary damages were the only avenue. Dropped it and moved on to rebuild gaf.

That is quite the detail, some aspects ive read you say before. Like i said, i do know the user you are referring to and i think it will be curious to what she will say off-site. (As in, not here, but elsewhere) if she gets notified of this (Not by me, obviously)

If you want, i can relay you that stuff over at PM but like i said, privacy reasons for now and personally i don't think its worth the rejigging of the issue. But seeing as you are rejigging it, you may want to know.

Just FYI Tyler

 

[EviLore]

That is quite the detail, some aspects ive read you say before. Like i said, i do know the user you are referring to and i think it will be curious to what she will say off-site. (As in, not here, but elsewhere) if she gets notified of this (Not by me, obviously)

If you want, i can relay you that stuff over at PM but like i said, privacy reasons for now and personally i don't think its worth the rejigging of the issue. But seeing as you are rejigging it, you may want to know.

Just FYI Tyler

*shrug*

 

[DeepEnigma]

Spoiler

 

[Ribi]

Remember these people think they are rational and are always right. The second anyone has the opposite opinion they claim they lost hope and cry while mashing the report button. Then all of a sudden once that person gets banned their depression is cured.

 

[DunDunDunpachi]

Remember these people think they are rational and are always right. The second anyone has the opposite opinion they claim they lost hope and cry while mashing the report button. Then all of a sudden once that person gets banned their depression is cured.

"I self-identify as a depressed person who is cured when you aren't allowed to speak".

 

[Redneckerz]

*shrug*

I geniunely do not know how to respond to this, so ill just leave it as is. In no way am i trying to instigate a past issue.

That being said its a good post you made.

Spoiler

They sure aren't hiding their ulterior motives do they.

"I self-identify as a depressed person who is cured when you aren't allowed to speak".

''User warned, making light of depression and depressive issues in general. User identifies as a Arcade System Board, hints of Siliconphobia and Binary defamation.''

 

[Cybrwzrd]

Just as a point of meta discussion, we know who the shills are, and we need to stop bumping shill threads. They do it themselves anyway. GAF is gaining traction again, and thus we are seeing more shills come out of the woodwork.

 

[DunDunDunpachi]

Just as a point of meta discussion, we know who the shills are, and we need to stop bumping shill threads. GAF is gaining traction again, and thus we are seeing more shills come out of the woodwork.

Please don't. This is my only source of income.

 

[Blam]

Please don't. This is my only source of income.

Gotem boys/gals/it. Our purpose is done.

 

[Acerac]

Today I learned what ResetEra was. For the first time. Via the OG NeoGAF community on PSN being switched. Never really knew what it was but also didn't care.

So let me get this story straight.

EvilLore makes a pass at a female friend during a road trip, in an overtly sexual way. She rejects said pass, and that's the end of it. I think she says they were 'distant' or 'awkward' or something over the remainder of the road trip. She complains about it on Facebook a number of years later.

People go fucking ballistic, say that the founder of NeoGAF is now a womanizer and a general piece of trash. They start a new website.

Am I missing something here? This seems like a huge overreaction for something so trivial. They were on a road. Guys and girls. Young guys and girls. Young people have sex. That's what they do. She didn't want to. That was the end of it.

What the actual fuck????

There's almost certainly more to the story. It's very difficult to fill in all the blanks however.

Spoiler

Of all the things that seem to bug ERA admins calling them a cult seems to bother them most.

Fuckers legitimately scare me. RIP Firehead.

 

[Papa]

Spoiler

I said god damn

 

[Papa]

The incident where she broke up with her boyfriend -- without telling him -- and we went on a road trip to New Orleans for the weekend and hooked up? Great time. She described it as the best weekend of her entire life. My imessage history is overflowing with her gushing about how awesome I am and how much she loves me, that very same weekend. The whole thing is bullshit aside from #1 New Orleans, and #2 she got nauseous at one point and went to the bathroom in our hotel room. While we were naked in bed together. I checked up on her at the open doorway, she got better in a half hour or so and we went out on the town from there until dawn. That nausea stuff was like late afternoon/early evening and we were sober. I never shower creeped her, I never intimidated her, and the notion that she was uncomfortable for the rest of the trip, lol, there are enough texts, photos, videos to put together the most saccharine montage ever, and all the social interactions after we came back where she continued treating me like the world's most amazing human in front of everyone, and we were openly hooking up afterwards as well, oh and she gladly came on another trip on my invite and shared a bed again. I told her up front that I was interested in someone else, and she was cool with that -- claimed to be on the same page -- right up until the moment she met the girl I was interested in and fell in love with *her*, then found herself in third place in a bizarre love triangle and I quickly became the worst person in the entire world in her eyes. She melted down after that and dragged us to her LA cultist buddies for a whole separate ordeal.

There is hard evidence behind everything I'm saying. She deleted her own story before the scandal even had a chance to break, because it was a nonsensical, shoddily constructed fantasy written during a manic episode and accompanied by a dozen other fucked up stories. I was the only person named, because she was pressured by her feminist pals to out the guy she had mentioned was a public figure or whatever, someone prime for destroying via #metoo, and so she attached my name to it. Rob Young aka polyh3dron screenshotted it instantly when he saw it on Facebook and within minutes it was on Voat. Mind you, this was not a public post and he didn't get any kind of consent from her to publicize it. What a hero. Anyway. She deleted it the next day unprompted by me. The day after that, Social Justice Squad on GAF posted those screenshots all over here, coinciding with a highly effective DDoS attack that ended up taking us down for two days et al.

I wasn't gonna drop a bunch of personal texts and photos onto an angry mob that was trying to ruin people's lives just to placate them. Fuck that noise. That would put other people at risk and I had no idea what the hell the motive was for this ridiculous story coming out of left field at the time as well as a bunch of other details in the mix there that complicated the drama. The responsible thing to do, I felt, was to file a defamation suit without seeking damages, collect all the evidence and present it privately, and ask for a formal retraction to clear the air so that I'd have something to point to without dumping a bunch of personal shit onto the internet. By the time that was all ready to be filed, though, gaf had been bombarded with hundreds/thousands of account suicides and porn bombs and ddos attacks and resetera advertising spam, and the narrative had long since moved on to "it doesn't matter if this story is true, EviLore's an incompetent asshole who had it coming." I didn't want money from her, and legal counsel concluded that the allegation had been retracted already when she deleted it from Facebook before the scandal ever happened, and it wasn't possible to e.g. file an injunction against future speech per state law, so monetary damages were the only avenue. Dropped it and moved on to rebuild gaf.

There's not much I can say that others haven't but good on you for dealing with that bullshit the way you did. The financial aspects aside, can you see a silver lining to it?

 

[lifa-cobex]

Of all the things that seem to bug ERA admins calling them a cult seems to bother them most.

Probably because they have a hard time arguing against it.

https://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2014/06/the-seven-signs-youre-in-a-cult/361400/

 

[48086]

Dropped it and moved on to rebuild gaf.

Just out of curiosity, any specific things you are working on to rebuild gaf? I feel like trying to get some more developer involvement would be great! Getting more devs from the industry to post here and do interviews/AMAs would be pretty cool.

 

[SirKicksalot]

ALERT SOURNICOLE, THEY'RE HAVING FUN IN THIS THREAD! How long until the mods close it? Beep boop can't have low-effort shitposting

I visit Resetera for comedy (and industry autists like Nirolak) but damn, that thread from some weeks ago really nailed it: it's not a fun forum. I'm not laughing with them, I'm laughing at them.

 

[Acerac]

Probably because they have a hard time arguing against it.

https://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2014/06/the-seven-signs-youre-in-a-cult/361400/

That one about what happens to those who are kicked out hurts me deep. Such silly nonsense it all is, at least I'm finally starting to feel like I know what happened.

Who would have thought that my old group of PonyGaffers would end up being susceptible to groupthink? They and PopGaf totally didn't deserve to be put in a separate section just because they were causing problems for others on the board. No siree.

...

I mean I didn't think it would be THIS bad, OK? Fucking Hell.

I feel like this is the one thing Era has over Gaf, I always hear Era mentioned on the 8-4 podcast and I know other devs post there. It'd be nice if they posted to both boards, but Era would probably boycott them if that happened.

Probably?

 

[Nymphae]

Just out of curiosity, any specific things you are working on to rebuild gaf? I feel like trying to get some more developer involvement would be great! Getting more devs from the industry to post here and do interviews/AMAs would be pretty cool.

I feel like this is the one thing Era has over Gaf, I always hear Era mentioned on the 8-4 podcast and I know other devs post there. It'd be nice if they posted to both boards, but Era would probably boycott them if that happened.

 

[DeepEnigma]

I feel like this is the one thing Era has over Gaf, I always hear Era mentioned on the 8-4 podcast and I know other devs post there. It'd be nice if they posted to both boards, but Era would probably boycott them if that happened.

They manipulated those people well with their press buddies advertising the site through their orchestrated fallout here and faux "diversity" mantra. IMO, if they cannot practice free thought, then fuck'em.

It is not like most dev postings over there are not Stinkles going into meltdowns in the Off-Topic forum about politics, or advertising their products with carrot dangling type posts and vague answers.

It would be great to have some interaction again, but if they want to remain thought policed, then that is on them.

From here on out I am sure those in charge of the inner workings are going to build a better environment over time. Time heals, especially when the changes are for the better.